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Title: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: Lucky Cris on December 07, 2013, 01:58:56 AM
To anyone who can provide a logical explanation of how this is possible:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301581.msg3857201#msg3857201 


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: jambola2 on December 07, 2013, 10:03:03 AM
I really don't understand your question.
The other person was out-spinning you ?
Does that mean they were spinning faster than expected ?


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: viridisk on December 07, 2013, 01:57:00 PM
I've noticed that their lottery have a one user that always buys 1,000 tickets outright, even if he's the only player. That is irrational as that would mean negative profits even if he wins them all, due to house edge.

I suspect that it's actually a 'house bet' and that they are circumvening provably fair with these scummy bets.

Just posted the same on the main thread.


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: shorena on December 07, 2013, 03:58:11 PM
I've noticed that their lottery have a one user that always buys 1,000 tickets outright, even if he's the only player. That is irrational as that would mean negative profits even if he wins them all, due to house edge.

I suspect that it's actually a 'house bet' and that they are circumvening provably fair with these scummy bets.

Just posted the same on the main thread.

Probably a bot used by the owner of the site to make it look like ppl play. That would also explain why there is no or very little time between 2 spins.
Another possibilty is a bot written by a hacker who found a vulnerability on the site.


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: viridisk on December 07, 2013, 05:04:10 PM
Hacker wouldn't put 1000 tickets on the lottery, as house takes 20% of all tickets. With not enough players playing, he would never generate any profits.


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: Lucky Cris on December 07, 2013, 07:37:13 PM
I really don't understand your question.
The other person was out-spinning you ?
Does that mean they were spinning faster than expected ?

So if you look at the time of the plays, you;ll see that one player is spinning several times a second. That's what I'd like to know how is that possible.


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: Martijnvdc on December 07, 2013, 08:05:21 PM
Perhaps he was using a bot? With multiple tabs perhaps?


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: serotin on December 07, 2013, 08:15:08 PM
it seems like someone is using bot there... nothing new


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: Lucky Cris on December 07, 2013, 08:18:12 PM
it seems like someone is using bot there... nothing new

Perhaps he was using a bot? With multiple tabs perhaps?

I imagine it would be a bot but even so, is it possible for a bot to spin several times a second? That's the question.. is that possible?


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: shorena on December 07, 2013, 08:26:53 PM
it seems like someone is using bot there... nothing new

Perhaps he was using a bot? With multiple tabs perhaps?

I imagine it would be a bot but even so, is it possible for a bot to spin several times a second? That's the question.. is that possible?

Sure it is. Dont think of the bot like a programm that "clicks" but rather of a line of commands that dont have to wait for the visual feedback to do another action. Especially if it runs on their server there is no need for it to wait for the results as the purpose of the bot would not to win anything but just to generate spins.


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: Lucky Cris on December 07, 2013, 09:04:31 PM
it seems like someone is using bot there... nothing new

Perhaps he was using a bot? With multiple tabs perhaps?

I imagine it would be a bot but even so, is it possible for a bot to spin several times a second? That's the question.. is that possible?

Sure it is. Dont think of the bot like a programm that "clicks" but rather of a line of commands that dont have to wait for the visual feedback to do another action. Especially if it runs on their server there is no need for it to wait for the results as the purpose of the bot would not to win anything but just to generate spins.

Interesting... never thought of it in that light - like I said, I'm no techie. So does that means the bot would have to belong to them, since it's running on their server? So what would be the reason behind so many per second, though? Would it take the win over someone else playing?


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: vm1990 on December 07, 2013, 09:09:52 PM
the only realistic way this would be possible is a bot on a low ping server. or
B its part of the game.


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: shorena on December 07, 2013, 09:21:56 PM
I have no idea why they or someone would use the bot as it was already pointed out that using a bot like this will not result in any profit. So if you cant win anything with the bot you either dont have to pay for playing or the bot is not supposed to win, in both cases it smells like they are generating action to attract players.
The hacker seems to be out of the picture as he would want to maximize profit befor getting cought and thus play when there a plenty players around. Also if someone found a weak point, a attack from several accounts or addresses would be less likely detected.


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: Lucky Cris on December 07, 2013, 09:46:45 PM
I suppose I'm looking for an impossible answer.

Several of you gave your thoughts. Who do I owe?


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: shorena on December 07, 2013, 09:49:01 PM
I suppose I'm looking for an impossible answer.

Several of you gave your thoughts. Who do I owe?

Split evenly among the answers that helped you the most?


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: Martijnvdc on December 07, 2013, 09:51:25 PM
I suppose I'm looking for an impossible answer.

Several of you gave your thoughts. Who do I owe?
Split it between the people you think deserve it.


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: Lucky Cris on December 07, 2013, 09:57:41 PM
A few of you gave me additional insight and validated my suspicion that Betcoin.tm is a sham.

.001 to:

Martijnvdc
shorena
viridisk

I need your address. And do add to my rep thread that I did pay up.


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: shorena on December 07, 2013, 10:03:25 PM
A few of you gave me additional insight and validated my suspicion that Betcoin.tm is a sham.

.001 to:

Martijnvdc
shorena
viridisk

I need your address. And do add to my rep thread that I did pay up.


18uTXyQubfaYrkbQDdaXhzd2ALEY5YN77B

thanks in advance :D


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: Lucky Cris on December 07, 2013, 10:06:54 PM

18uTXyQubfaYrkbQDdaXhzd2ALEY5YN77B

thanks in advance :D

Sent.


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: Martijnvdc on December 07, 2013, 10:31:17 PM
A few of you gave me additional insight and validated my suspicion that Betcoin.tm is a sham.

.001 to:

Martijnvdc
shorena
viridisk

I need your address. And do add to my rep thread that I did pay up.
1Jud36iWwXRgv6QrjVgb6zEd1dmXEEbdK1
Thank you!


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: Lucky Cris on December 07, 2013, 10:32:32 PM
1Jud36iWwXRgv6QrjVgb6zEd1dmXEEbdK1
Thank you!

Sent


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: Martijnvdc on December 07, 2013, 10:34:27 PM
Received! Thank you!
I commented on your trust page.


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: viridisk on December 07, 2013, 10:37:10 PM
A few of you gave me additional insight and validated my suspicion that Betcoin.tm is a sham.

.001 to:

Martijnvdc
shorena
viridisk

I need your address. And do add to my rep thread that I did pay up.

18cchz74xD2rusZ6dgio73opk6biwzVxKu

Thanks in advance :)

I guess that you mean thread in your signature?


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: Lucky Cris on December 07, 2013, 10:41:05 PM
Received! Thank you!
I commented on your trust page.

Thanks :)  

Can't you tell I gotta thing against Betcoin.tm? lol  They got me for quite a bit - I'm ashamed to even say how much. But if I can help spread the word to prevent others from losing to this scam site, I'm all for it. Their adverts are all over this board.. so I bought some space too. Hopefully it'll get approved :P


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: Lucky Cris on December 07, 2013, 10:42:37 PM

18cchz74xD2rusZ6dgio73opk6biwzVxKu

Thanks in advance :)

I guess that you mean thread in your signature?

You would be correct - sent


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: viridisk on December 07, 2013, 10:50:59 PM
Thanks and commented :)

Hopefuly attention of shady bussines practice of Betcoin.tm will be brought up to more people.


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: vm1990 on December 07, 2013, 11:36:02 PM
i probably wouldnt go as far as calling it a sham but it is deceptive. but you honestly think theres any betting or gambling sites that are honest?
thats part ofthe game you pay to beat the odds the odds are ALWAYS in the houses favor you paying for the tiny chance youll beat them.


Title: Re: .001 Bounty - Is this possible?
Post by: Lucky Cris on December 07, 2013, 11:46:43 PM
i probably wouldnt go as far as calling it a sham but it is deceptive. but you honestly think theres any betting or gambling sites that are honest?
thats part ofthe game you pay to beat the odds the odds are ALWAYS in the houses favor you paying for the tiny chance youll beat them.

I understand the concept completely. The point I'm trying to make is that this site has tricks up its sleeve that don't give you a chance to beat the odds!