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Hi, if i buy 3 black arrow x-1's (300GH/s mining power in total) it will cost me £689GBP in total roughly including shipping. Say £700.

These will be available at the end of feb. 2014

£700/300GHs = £2.40 per GH/s - so that is a good deal right?

Will this be a good miner/buy in end of feb 2014???

it would be a good if you had it in your hands now, as of march it won't be that profitable unless bitcoin prices go high. if you are looking to make money, just buy some btc and sit on it for a year.

Also, minimum order is 10, and no group buys.

yeah, not so customer freindly. way to keep bitcoin decentralized guys :-\

Authorized reseller
http://www.minersource.net/black-arrow-prospero-x-1-100gh-s/

If your looking to make it rich..
If your looking to set it up and forget it, stock away a few coins and hope they make you rich. It could be worth it.

Catch 22, you could get this in the mail and BTC is $100 a coin. so you wasted money as the coins would of been better. When it arrives coins could be $5000, which means even making one coin would be worth it..

I'm buying an X-3 ;)

OP is in the UK.  Hard to buy BTC at the moment without paying a premium.
Black Arrow will have a UK reseller soon.

It's really kind of stupid, cause 10 x-1s = 1 x-3. 

You have to understand, that since the increase in bicoin price, there has been an exponential increase in interest in their products. So they are recruiting resellers to take some of the pressure off.  Hence the change in minimum order qty.

REEEEEEEALLY?

How A Boot you go redo that math and edit your post ;)

Yeah your going to want to check the math on that.

Best way to pay them is to use TransferWise. They send from pounds to Hong Kong the next day in Hong Kong dollars and your first transfer is free.

http://transferwise.com/u/ad818

good price for that miner, too bad its preorder.

By the time that miner is released, the difficulty could be sky high,its best to buy miners there and then instead of preordering.

Exactly.  But Black Arrow will make a lot of money off people willing to pay now.

I almost wish I could preorder one now, and then sell my place in line to someone else in Jan/Feb ;)

I have already paid for 20 X-1's, bit of a gamble but I think they will be easy to resell if and when they show up.

Pretty sure I will keep them and mine with them cuz btc will be $3000 each by then  ::)

ROI? bah, who cares, this is FUN!! Very exciting times. I will be telling Al Bundy glory days stories when I am old and gray.

I just took the gamble of purchasing 10 of them.

The way I see it is, I have gpu`s mining litecoins for a long time, all is paid for.
So why not throw away 110 litecoins for a high risk, pretty fun OK reward, if all works out.


My questions is, I did submit to the order, I got the invoice, but they need to give me a bitcoin address for me to pay them.
How long do they take ? (I ordered only 2 hours ago)

So far, with the good news, the prices of bitcoin is going up, so it's costing me less and less, but I just want to get it over with.


Hoping all goes according to plan, if not... well... it's fun and I can't say I am losing much.

I got the address for the coins the next day.

As much as I like their product, I do wish they had brought on a guy dedicated to online.

Dont forget time differences :)

Where does it say that?

It doesn't but they are interviewing candidates.

Oh ok

Minimum quantity for "Prospero X-1 (100Ghash/second)" is 10.

Why is minimum 10?, 2 is more than enough for me to get started with

Because Black Arrow are a small company, and they decided to offload the smaller orders on to regional resellers.

So the resellers will have the option to buy 1,2 etc

No, they buy ten, and then sell them individually.

As for questions asked daily, this one is asked at LEAST 3 times a day...

Why should they deal with 3000 $300 deals? either buy 10 or as this and every other thread states, goto Minesource to buy one.

The BA guy's have enough to do, dealing with a crap load of micro orders is just silly. Lucky they are even Offering a 100gh option, all the other guy's at simply offering TH now.

Just a note, minersource say they deliver by ups which also do another charge on delivery
Happened recently when i bought something from usa, wasnt happy..

300 gh will still make a decent roi by the end of feb...

I am gonna wait for the uk reseller

UPs work's well for the seller. But sucks for any international buyer, a $350 package to canada get's a $120+ fee on delivery..

Minesource I'd suggest using another service!

Black Arrow are happy to deliver by EMS which generally seems to attract no import duty in the UK at least.

Link no longer works. Doesn't look as if Miner Source are selling X-1's any more.

They recently redesigned their website. I'd suggest you always try the bare domain and go from there. Here's the new page for the X-1:

https://www.minersource.net/products/black-arrow-prospero-x-1-100gh-slash-s (https://www.minersource.net/products/black-arrow-prospero-x-1-100gh-slash-s)

Ah ha! Looks like they have changed their back end. When I made my order a few weeks ago it redirected to their store. I poked around there and couldn't find the X-1. Used to be sent to https://store-6uhgey79.mybigcommerce.com

I'm new here but why do I see so many replies like this in the MINING section of the forum?  I would think people for the most part know that they can buy/trade BTC...I mean if that was what he wanted to do he would just do it.

I'm not trying to be rude...just curious.

People deeply invested in mining equipment who don't want to see any more sold because it affects the difficulty level/their profitability. They don't really care about saving us from ourselves. Even if they might be correct.

It is correct because you take on a lot more risk by going down the mining route.

Everyone trying to "save" potential future miners thinks that the only reason anyone would ever want to get into this is to make a positive ROI in BTC on their investment into mining equipment. There are a whole slew of other reasons people want to get involved, not the least of which is a return in fiat currency.

The term Return On Investment is abused so badly in this forum. Everything you do gets an ROI, so someone telling you "it will never ROI" has no clue what they are talking about and should be summarily ignored. If I invest $100 and get back $1, my return on investment is -99%. Or, my overall return is negative $99. If I invest in model rocketry, I burn up a few dollars every time I launch a rocket. There is no financial return on investment for the money I spend there, but there is still an ROI that can be calculated. If I spend $60 on a USB Block Erupter, I may earn back a dollar or two on that hobby. In the mean time who is to say I didn't enjoy having it, playing around with pools and other alt currency, maybe mining against CEX.IO for a bit and trading some small amount there. Part of the return on investment is subjective, and not quantifiable. It was enjoyment, same as the model rocketry hobby.

The thing the big miners have forgotten is that at small amounts this is a fun hobby. It all changes when you (over) extend yourself in one way or another to buy a big quantity of mining equipment. It is no longer fun. Instead it is a race against time to make that money back.

My suggestion is this: If you see this as a hobby, invest in anything you can afford to lose and don't worry about making all your money back on it. Enjoy this for what it is. If you already invested your life savings and you saw this as your way to make it big so you don't have to work anymore: Sorry, you are screwed, and people will eventually learn to ignore their FUD about mining.

I fail to understand how plugging in a usb device is considered a hobby.. I agree with everyone on this forum who mine btc to make a profit. Many bitcoin miners have seen a positive ROI even in terms of btc if they were lucky.

Sort of the same as people overclocking their PC's. Technically your wasting money, but for the enthusiasts it well worth the fun. Plugging in the USB miners is the same thing. Pushing numbers to how far you can get with a certain type of setup. They may or may not make money, but in their eyes it's just plain fun.

How is overclocking wasting money? In many cases overclocking saves money and yeilds higher performance. Usb miners are obviously for enthusiasts but that is just about it in my opinion. If you bought just about any other asic around the time of release you either reached ROI or came very close and selling the asic later would just add to the roi.

HOLY FUCK PEOPLE!! There are about 96 billion ways to make money. IF you NEED to make more money, work harder or get a better job. Jesus, how hard is this to comprehend? Jibber jabbing about 'ROI' and bitcoin and 'asics' etc....seriously? All the time you spend here discussing your delusions could have been spent doing 'real' work and making real money. If you think you are are going to get rich with bitcoin you are probably someone who also buys lottery tickets. Sure, someone will get rich, probably not you, fool. Have fun with all this but re-fucking-lax!

I think you're on the wrong forum...

Lmao, ugh think you should go back to the xbox forums bud :)
People mine to make money, anyone who is mining and fails to make money, in turn calling it a hobby is just trying to save face. Because they chose to ignore everyone's advice and bought one anyway thinking they know better.
The people buying them on ebay are NOT in it for the hobby, they are moron's who don't understand how the difficulty work and are looking for a quick buck.

As for overclocking. how is getting more performance, for video editing, photoshopping, video gaming, for the same price as less power, A waste of money?

Guess my point was lost on all the people drooling on their keyboards. Here, let me sum it up for the mouth breathers...
(hopefully your lips don't move as you read this)

Try to think, if only for a second, '30,000 foot overview', look over there...try to ignore the squirrel and shinny things, hey, its 'Vegas'

If you want to make money, lots of money, as in 'pay my mortgage' money, you are in the wrong place. If you want to have fun and gamble a bit etc, bitcoin is super big fun.

Don't plan on feeding your family with this, oh, wait, hmm... guess that pretty much defines what a hobby is.

/xbox out

Thanks for the great advice. You should go to some gambling forums and tell everyone there how they wont make money. Or go to a smoking forum and tell everyone how they will get cancer.

Or stock market investors.

Any news?

Paperwork signed. Online shop will go live shortly.

Best of British luck to you

your shop?

Happy to hear it!
If your ever in the states, let me know, would be happy to have you stop by.

Yep. Just got a few details to clarify over the next few days, then it will go live.


Thanks Bob.  I was in the states in May.  I expect I will be too busy with Prospero orders to be back anytime soon. :)

where abouts in the UK are you?

Fareham, near Southampton.

keep us posted  8)

Are you still in batch 1 ?

did you get any info when you can expect the until at your shop ?
i orderd mine in nov at Blackarrow.. would like to know what the untils willl cost at your store :)

OMG, lol I live in Southampton :D

And Southampton is not all that far from an historic place related to names we are now familiar with: "Black Arrow", "Prospero" & "X-3"
See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj9k-CFqL3w

I should sell guided tours too :)

+1

I too would like to know. I finally caved and bought from Minersource as I had enough of waiting for a potential EU/UK reseller and now if this comes about, will I best transferring my order to the UK reseller or keeping with Minersource? How will customs work out with price?

I'm guessing the UK reseller will be in batch 1 round 2 like it is currently, so March shipments and no Feb shipments due to all the previous orders.

lucky you,,,BA did not get back to me yet on the reseller agreement.

I am in Australia, I would like to by a prospero x-1 (not 10) I don't know where to place an order, I have asked in other Black Arrow threads but can't seem to get a definitive answer on who the reseller for Australia is.

Anyone know?

No Australian reseller afaik. Best choice would probably be minersource.net

Ok, thanks, I have placed an order with them.
Didn't get a confirmation email but I screenshot everything so it should be cool.

UK Reseller has gone live https://shop.logicethos.com

Untrusted security certificate.  Might want to get that fixed or removed.

Which browser are you using?

The cert is fine for me in Firefox

It's Android, I can see that now.  Had this problem before.  I know what to do.

Should be ok now.

Can confirm its fixed on android browser now.

Thank you.  I should have known better.  I had the same problem on another site.

You have an option to enter company name, but no field to capture VAT number.  At the end of checkout it applies VAT which is unnecessary for cross border B2B transactions.

I know.  I spent hours trying to get that to work properly, and it fails.  I have a solution coming, but if anyone wants a EU B2B transaction, I can do it manually.

Manually it is then (fnar fnar ;-)  I've been sorted via PM.

I just need to set your account to No VAT.  So once you have created an account, send me a message.

I must have spent 5 hours on it yesterday.  I gave up and posted a developers job online to get a proper UK VAT module developed.

Thanks for the info, just made an account. No problems with the certificate  :)
Ow and just send you a message for my VAT  ;)

Does anyone know if they are still on target for a late February delivery? Is there any news from BA?

Don't wanna sound like a dick but I rather trust minersource with my money right now because I know bobsag can be trusted.
Is there anything you can tell me that would make me trust you more? Would really like to order from UK so I don't have to pay customs.
Also if I order now from your site will I be in Batch 1?

I wouldn't exactly trust Minersource as i have been scammed by them and know many other cases of people being scammed.

Proof? I did a search and I have found not one person besmirching bobsags reputation. I find the opposite to be exact with people saying he is trustworthy.

I don't find a company trustworthy until I have a product made by the company in my hands.
With that being said I rather trust bobsag3 that I have seen active around the forums and have no negative feedback.
But who can you trust anymore? Even businesses that seem legit from the beginning (HashFast, BFL etc.) are scams.

But the individual above came right out and accused bobsag3 of scamming him and other's he knows.

Even in this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280174.msg4110219#msg4110219 he posted he was scammed 0.18BTC but provides no proof. A person before him cried scam and when was asked for proof never posted another msg.

I think individuals that scream scam with any proof should have their posting rights reduced back to the newbie board again. It's getting way out of hand. I've even seen where someone put up a post to sell their own BE's and the very next post was 'SCAM! BEWARE' but provides no reasoning and never posts in that thread again.

Excuse me? I have no record of having done business with you, or anyone else.

There's a brief update (http://ecointalk.net/topic/392-production-updates/) in the Black Arrow forums. It's short, but says the Minion design is final and they've posted the source for the driver.

Thanks!

Who are these? 
Say Europa reseller...   >:( >:( >:(

http://www.blackarroweurope.com/home/8-prospero-x-1-100ghashsecond-reseller.html


This is a PRE-ORDER, available for dispatch in March 2014??? 

Batch 1 is closed now, more than likely it wouldn't be until May for the next batch according to BA's site.

good thing i ordered 10 x-1. :D

It may be SCAM?  ;D ;D ;D

Only pay with BTC

It is a scam:  http://ecointalk.net/topic/401-scam-site-has-popped-up/

Check the blackarrow official thread, they have nothing to do with that europe site and are trying to get it taken down.