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Title: A new bitcoin image (UNDER REVISION thanks to some feedback)
Post by: Count Bitcoin on August 16, 2011, 02:03:39 PM
EDIT: The bottom fell out of this thread quickly due to a typo.  I can't trust in rationality as much as I had, so I'll just post a new thread with a title that will hopefully not confuse the utter hell out of everyone who reads it.

Thanks again for those of you who gave such solid feedback, you know who you are.  I will post the new image, but sadly, confusion and intolerance took over here (partly my fault), so a fresh start is what's needed.


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin logo
Post by: Raoul Duke on August 16, 2011, 02:16:19 PM
It's a nice graphic work, but a lousy logo. It will not work on small sizes...


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin logo
Post by: vv01f on August 16, 2011, 02:18:27 PM
i suggest the "locks" being rotated to point to the center could suit better to the coin. And of course a standard-image shouldn't be rotated already.
Why that structure on the surface? To me it seems a bit unsettled. Also that's making it less a logo. Try to make a clear version for those needs in vector-format.

just my 2 BTC-cent ;)


I also would be intrested in what made you unsatisfied with the other "logos" used in the web.. just to follow your thoughts.


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin logo
Post by: dayfall on August 16, 2011, 02:33:58 PM
No.  What are those things around the outer edges?  Lit from below looks odd.  Thai symbol is inappropriate and not needed.  This would be better suited to a real coin than a logo.

Keep trying.


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin logo
Post by: joeyjoe on August 16, 2011, 02:37:14 PM
looks like the main BTC logo in the middle is floating with the way you used shadow...


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin logo
Post by: gochk on August 16, 2011, 03:55:58 PM
Why do some people root against others?

With this kind of opening, are you looking ONLY for praises and not criticism?  ;D


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin logo
Post by: Hotdog453 on August 16, 2011, 05:29:15 PM
The "locks" around the edge (at least, I think that's what they are?) would never show up clearly if the image gets much smaller.

The coloring is pretty, but a bit.. "much".

The "current" logo:

http://utopianist.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/bitcoin-online-p2p-currency.jpg

Is simple, it's not confusing (the "dollar sign" marks in the B itself lend itself to be viewed as a monetary unit), and... well, it works.


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin logo
Post by: dadj on August 16, 2011, 05:36:21 PM
I thought the locks around the edges were floppy disks. I like the font, not so much the shading, lighting, disks and rotation


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin logo
Post by: bittersweet on August 16, 2011, 05:58:28 PM
I'm sorry but if you can't print a logo on a pen-size gadget and keep it readable, it's not a good logo IMHO.


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin logo
Post by: Hotdog453 on August 16, 2011, 06:27:54 PM
I'm sorry but if you can't print a logo on a pen-size gadget and keep it readable, it's not a good logo IMHO.

Very true. It has to be usable in any number of sizes.


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin logo
Post by: Gabi on August 16, 2011, 06:32:23 PM
I'm sorry but if you can't print a logo on a pen-size gadget and keep it readable, it's not a good logo IMHO.
^this


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin logo
Post by: Raoul Duke on August 16, 2011, 07:33:30 PM
I'm sorry but if you can't print a logo on a pen-size gadget and keep it readable, it's not a good logo IMHO.

Very true. It has to be usable in any number of sizes.

Exactly what i said in the first reply...  ::)


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin
Post by: Count Bitcoin on August 16, 2011, 08:32:14 PM
Durp.   :-[ It's not a logo, just a new style of the coin.  The tilted image was wrong attachment!  Revision will be properly upright.  There was some discussion about the floppies looking like pad locks but I figured I'd see what people thought before making them obvious floppies.  The idea was locks equal security, with an opening for interpretation the way it is now.  Still, the sample so far has seen locks with a few floppies thrown in.  SLight modify there is likely.  Other input will be considered.  Thanks.

It's like the curtain fell down as it opened around this new design on stage.  Double durp, but it's ok.  Some time tonight I'll throw the new one up there.

I'm a bulk buyer at $5/btc.

Count Bitcoin


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin logo
Post by: Hotdog453 on August 16, 2011, 09:00:36 PM
I'm sorry but if you can't print a logo on a pen-size gadget and keep it readable, it's not a good logo IMHO.

Very true. It has to be usable in any number of sizes.

Exactly what i said in the first reply...  ::)

In our defense, it *IS* the newbie forum, so we have to post here, and extra posts can't hurt ;)


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin logo
Post by: beneee on August 16, 2011, 09:57:55 PM
The "locks" around the edge (at least, I think that's what they are?) would never show up clearly if the image gets much smaller.

The coloring is pretty, but a bit.. "much".

The "current" logo:

http://utopianist.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/bitcoin-online-p2p-currency.jpg

Is simple, it's not confusing (the "dollar sign" marks in the B itself lend itself to be viewed as a monetary unit), and... well, it works.

Love the PCB, that rules, gotta get me some!


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin logo
Post by: TheLaundryMan on August 16, 2011, 11:11:17 PM
The "locks" around the edge (at least, I think that's what they are?) would never show up clearly if the image gets much smaller.

The coloring is pretty, but a bit.. "much".

The "current" logo:

http://utopianist.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/bitcoin-online-p2p-currency.jpg

Is simple, it's not confusing (the "dollar sign" marks in the B itself lend itself to be viewed as a monetary unit), and... well, it works.

Love the PCB, that rules, gotta get me some!

Awesome logo. Although the current one is nicer ofc.


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin logo
Post by: skidz7 on August 16, 2011, 11:42:36 PM
The "locks" around the edge (at least, I think that's what they are?) would never show up clearly if the image gets much smaller.

The coloring is pretty, but a bit.. "much".

The "current" logo:

http://utopianist.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/bitcoin-online-p2p-currency.jpg

Is simple, it's not confusing (the "dollar sign" marks in the B itself lend itself to be viewed as a monetary unit), and... well, it works.
I like this better than the one in the OP, nothing small that's going to get overlooked or scrunched too far.


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin
Post by: mute20 on August 17, 2011, 03:28:18 AM
That first one reminds me of a cash for gold symbol


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin
Post by: Count Bitcoin on August 17, 2011, 04:09:48 AM
Really?  This isn't a logo contest.  When I have the new edit in, I'll re-post on a new thread so there's no confusion about this magical word logo.  This is no logo, it's a coin to be used by people who want a pretty bitcoin image to use when trying to spread the message on their website or wherever.

I'm going for mass market appeal, because that's what's going to make all you geeks who got in sub $1 rich, and that's what will make the world currency situation look more stable to my eyes.  We need mass participation, mass acceptance, the sooner, the better.

I like the cash for gold comment, as those companies are raking in massive profits and are hugely popular.  I'm speaking from a lot of experience with non-tech people and they like their currency to be shiny and pretty, not that brown thing, or the penguin I've seen around the net, or any other version I've seen if you "google image-search" 'bitcoin'.

This is open source currency and that goes for images that say "bitcoin" on them.  The real bitcoins aren't even visible except by skynet, so the masses will end up choosing whichever one they think looks best.

Since the internet is a place that resembles perfect liberty much more closely than the United Corporate Serfdom of America, free markets will thrive and popular opinion will still matter.  Yes, I'm saying you're all unpopular.


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin
Post by: 0zymandias on August 17, 2011, 04:40:59 AM
I kinda prefer the current one.


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin
Post by: Raoul Duke on August 17, 2011, 08:18:53 AM
...
This is no logo, it's a coin to be used by people who want a pretty bitcoin image to use when trying to spread the message on their website or wherever.
...

So, now it isn't a logo...

One little piece of advice that i see you are in desperate need of:
When you start a thread saying "I have this logo here, what do you guys think?" and everyone tells you it's bad, don't try to turn it on the opposite direction and deal bad with criticism, because, after all, you asked for it. The only thing you are gaining is getting out of this thread sounding a major "know it all" a-hole.

I wouldn't hire you as a designer, that's for sure. Or else you would end up giving me the most shitiest design ever and try to convince me it was the greatest design ever.


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin
Post by: Count Bitcoin on August 17, 2011, 11:23:51 AM
Nice judgement.  It really way a typo, had my friend post it while I was running out.  Don't need you to believe the truth for it to be the truth.

Maybe some background for the haters.  I have only bought bitcoins on ebay, because of all the fraud and hacking of the official trading exchanges.  So I've been exposed to lots of bitcoin images as I have researched over the last month or so.  I didn't really think there was an "official" logo for bitcoin, because everyone on the net uses different images to represent it.

Thus, this image was another version.  I didn't realize the word logo was so offensive/sacred to the geeks.  That was most definitely my mistake, but I am not a geek like you guys, so I don't know your sacred terms versus the one's you just brush off as unimportant.

Some people will like the design and use it, you apparently won't.  I don't mind in either case because I am contributing to the creation and expansion of an idea, not telling someone they are a liar to boost my ego.


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin
Post by: Raoul Duke on August 17, 2011, 11:37:42 AM
You, as a designer, should know better than anyone else what a logo is and what it's used for...  ::)


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin
Post by: Count Bitcoin on August 17, 2011, 11:45:18 AM
What makes you think I'm the one who does that part?  I convinced the designer to put that image together to try and help the movement.  I have been explaining the advantages of a non centralized currency to people who don't understand.  I am of the opinion (as my background is heavily influenced by markets) that this BTC will be the currency of the net.

So that's why I just told my friend to title the thread "the new bitcoin logo" as I left my place.  I didn't really know that the word was so volatile!!! >:( >:( >:(

But anyway, it did give me a peek into the style of judgement that exists here in virtual land.  I had no clue there was this groupthink/cynicism dynamic happening, but will definitely keep it in mind when posting.  My main geek friend is a reasonable, well mannered, polite person, so I guess I'm kinda spoiled.


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin
Post by: Count Bitcoin on August 17, 2011, 11:50:43 AM
And doesn't a logo imply someone owns the product?  Who owns this protocol exactly?  In this sense, why is the word logo not interchangeable with image, or sample, or style, etc?  I understand the concept of a logo, but that applies to companies or organizations, not something like this no?  Who owns this "company"?

And yes, we understand that this image is not able to be reduced too small, but that was never its purpose.  Logos need to be reproduced in black and white and all sizes, but who cares?  I've already cleared this up in a such a dumbed down way I feel like the internet has now made me dumber.

This means of communication is horribly limited because of the tendency to key in on and obsess over technicalities and a sort of "gotcha" environment.

Is there a central decision tree where everything branches out from?  If so, that would make me less likely to support the movement, as I was under the impression this was open source.

So officially, I agree it is not a logo.  It is not.  That's why I corrected the title of the thread.  Please stop hanging on to the past and move on to the new reality.  If you can't adapt that quickly without holding a grudge, we can't communicate.  I'm not into this point by point refutation and circular internet arguing, no life is long enough for that to be worth doing.


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin logo
Post by: Count Bitcoin on August 17, 2011, 12:19:57 PM
i suggest the "locks" being rotated to point to the center could suit better to the coin. And of course a standard-image shouldn't be rotated already.
Why that structure on the surface? To me it seems a bit unsettled. Also that's making it less a logo. Try to make a clear version for those needs in vector-format.

just my 2 BTC-cent ;)


I also would be intrested in what made you unsatisfied with the other "logos" used in the web.. just to follow your thoughts.

Easily the most reasoned response that I read.  Thanks.  I just thought the other versions of the coin I saw looked ugly.  I have a good read on the general public and trends, and I didn't see the images out there as mass market appealing.  Rotating the locks is possible, since those floppies were the first thing on the likely to be changed list in my mind.  I kinda like the feel the coin has of being half real half virtual looking.

Thanks again for your feedback.


Title: Re: A new bitcoin image (UNDER REVISION thanks to some feedback)
Post by: Tenobis on August 17, 2011, 07:14:45 PM
Thanks for the Contribution :)


Title: Re: The new Bitcoin
Post by: BCCAP - Paul on August 18, 2011, 05:10:06 AM
That first one reminds me of a cash for gold symbol

It looks to me like it would make a great golf marker.
Maybe you could charge BTC .5 for them  :-*


Title: Re: A new bitcoin image (UNDER REVISION thanks to some feedback)
Post by: rooofl on August 19, 2011, 02:14:29 PM
I definitively prefer this one (http://www.ecogex.com/bitcoin/)