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Title: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: EuSouBitcoin on August 18, 2011, 01:10:44 PM
Since Mt Gox commissions went back to 0.65% from 0.30% trading volume has decreased significantly. As of 9:03 EDT on Aug 18th, I show volume of 16,521 and range of 10.679 to 11.04999. If this continues, it looks like a bad business decision. Volume was at least triple before the commission increase. If I were Mt Gox I'd rather earn 0.30% on 3X than 0.65% on X. It also leaves the door open for other exchanges to offer lower commissions, either temporarily or permanently. With lower volume has come lower volatility too. A 37 cent range used to happen in half an hour, now it's the range for half a day.


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: Piper67 on August 18, 2011, 01:14:21 PM
Since Mt Gox commissions went back to 0.65% from 0.30% trading volume has decreased significantly. As of 9:03 EDT on Aug 18th, I show volume of 16,521 and range of 10.679 to 11.04999. If this continues, it looks like a bad business decision. Volume was at least triple before the commission increase. If I were Mt Gox I'd rather earn 0.30% on 3X than 0.65% on X. It also leaves the door open for other exchanges to offer lower commissions, either temporarily or permanently. With lower volume has come lower volatility too. A 37 cent range used to happen in half an hour, now it's the range for half a day.

Yes, but volume may be low for other reasons, for example:

1) High volume came at the end of the month, when some miners need to sell in order to pay rent and bills.

2) The Bitcoin Conference and Expo are coming up this weekend, some may be holding on to their BTC hoping the exposure will cause prices to rise.

3) The 19 year old early adopter already got his Porsche and is now out driving it and impressing his girlfriend.  ;D


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: piramida on August 18, 2011, 07:21:11 PM
higher margins means less volume and bigger movements. nobody would try and squeeze 20 cents anymore, so people playing more or less midterm now.


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: GeniuSxBoY on August 18, 2011, 07:50:32 PM
Tomorrow is the big day.


Tomorrow is conference day.


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: Nemesis099 on August 18, 2011, 08:13:25 PM
Tomorrow is the big day.


Tomorrow is conference day.

I have to say I'm wondering what will be said as I know this has been an interesting topic to bring up when I'm out with friends.


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: EuSouBitcoin on August 19, 2011, 02:45:40 PM
Now on my Mt Gox account I see that my commissions are 0.43%. Is this another temporary discount, volume trading discount or what?


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: GeniuSxBoY on August 19, 2011, 02:50:40 PM
I think it's a sign  ;)


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: 322i0n on August 19, 2011, 03:02:42 PM
mine were 0.6% this morning now 0.5%
whats happening ???


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: GeniuSxBoY on August 19, 2011, 03:57:28 PM
Perhaps, the more you spend, the bigger discount?

IDK


He hasn't mentioned anything about price tiers, but I like it.



EDIT: This is my lucky 777th post. :)


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: navigator on August 19, 2011, 04:01:22 PM
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Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: GeniuSxBoY on August 19, 2011, 04:05:26 PM
Mine says,

Your trading volume for the past 30 days is ##.####### BTC. If it reaches 100.00000000 BTC, your trading fee will be 0.55 %.


That's a great incentive!

You're right! Mine just popped up

Your trading volume for the past 30 days is ####.######### BTC. If it reaches 5,000.00000000 BTC, your trading fee will be 0.4 %.


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: davout on August 19, 2011, 04:10:22 PM
Meh, I think 0.4% is still way too high since you usually don't buy/sell the same coins only once.


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: GeniuSxBoY on August 19, 2011, 04:20:33 PM
We're talking about 4/10th of 1 penny per dollar.


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: EuSouBitcoin on August 19, 2011, 04:20:55 PM
Volume discounts are nice. But I think the communication from Mt Gox could be a little better. Is there a Mt Gox blog somewhere? I'd like to see the full schedule to know where the volume breakpoints are.


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: TTBit on August 19, 2011, 05:11:52 PM
Suggestion to MtGox:

Monthly/Yearly cap on fees. This will bring in the bots.

Or:

Buy an annual membership.


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: lemonginger on August 19, 2011, 06:35:20 PM
We're talking about 4/10th of 1 penny per dollar.

Yes, well , depending on how good of a trader you (think you) are. Those pennies add up quick when you are buying/selling multiple times per day. I wish they would cap it at a max amount per trade and thus encourage people to make bigger orders.


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: GeniuSxBoY on August 19, 2011, 06:46:38 PM
I don't think it is unreasonable. If you want to make $10 cash out at $10.10. It's all about luck anyway.

The fees are for security, maintenance, research and development... the more money gox makes, the bigger the industry can grow.


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: davout on August 19, 2011, 07:30:11 PM
The fees are for security, maintenance, research and development... the more money gox makes, the bigger the industry can grow.
We've already seen the security part, we're still waiting for margin trading from the R&D team. And I think that the interests that are generated by the money being deposited can fund the maintenance part.

I'm not worried, the market will regulate it and make it much more efficient.


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: Ellen Alemany on August 20, 2011, 12:59:18 AM
Suggestion to MtGox:

Monthly/Yearly cap on fees. This will bring in the bots.

Or:

Buy an annual membership.

That is a very good idea.


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: EuSouBitcoin on August 23, 2011, 05:58:32 PM
Let's see if we can re-create the schedule
My current fee is 0.43%
The next breakpoint is 5,000 BTC and 0.40%


Title: Re: Higher Commissions at Mt Gox = Lower Trading Volume
Post by: hugolp on August 23, 2011, 06:11:02 PM
The fees are for security, maintenance, research and development... the more money gox makes, the bigger the industry can grow.
We've already seen the security part,

LOL

Quote
we're still waiting for margin trading from the R&D team. And I think that the interests that are generated by the money being deposited can fund the maintenance part.

I'm not worried, the market will regulate it and make it much more efficient.

I agree. If there is space for lower prices it will happen.