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Personally, I think pornography is wrong and degrading to women, and I don't like people who support it.

Bitcoin having things like "bitcoin porn" is not going to make it look better in the eyes of the general public.

Thoughts?

I disagree with you about porn and I don't see how porn is degrading to women.  SOME porn is degrading to women (usually the hard core stuff), but definitely not all.  Some women enjoy sex too, believe it or not.


However, I agree 100% that the idea that bitcoin is going to start off with these shady, shitty businesses and magically work it's way up to legitimate business is absurd.  The association of bitcoin and shady, illegal activities has already been made by Silkroad.  These stupid bitcoin porn things are just sealing the deal.


Cliffs:  Ironically, the capitalism worshiping libertard crowd knows nothing about business.

In a world without regulation, I bet the already established companies would buy everything out, destroy everything, while the libertard crowd keeps yelling for litigation, government action, and legal action against them.

Yea pretty much.  If the powerless are powerless with a government, they'll be even more powerless without a government (the force used to protect the powerless).  Removing government isn't going to suddenly turn corporations benevolent and remove their massive power disparity.



Anywho, let's leave the kids and their rhetoric out of one thread and try to keep this one about bitcoin and porn.  Personally, I think bitcoin is already dead.  It got hijacked by the crazies and they ruined it for the rest of us.  I think you make a very valid point, that activities and uses must remain legitimate in order to find favor in the public eye.  Most people in the public are uneasy about bitcoin to begin with, but when they see it's primary uses are buying drugs and porn, that's the last nail in the coffin.  Due to thier self-centered nature, the crazies have adopted the attitude of "we like it, if they don't like it then fuck 'em", which is the same attitude that they use in politics.  Obviously that's the worst approach possible when introducing a new product/service.  If they ever want it to expand beyond the miniscule circle of outcasts that use it, they need to start caring what other people think.

There are different points of view on this topic. Probably the world would be much better if people are tolerant unless their rights are violated. If there are people who like a stupid show, then let them be :)

Personally I think any religion is wrong and degrading humans and I do not like when people support it, but that doesn't mean I do not like that people.


I think the athmosphere of freedom should be attractive to general public. I don't think it sincerely likes the sanctimony and irrational taboos, imposed by traditions of our society :)

I believe porn is degrading to men.

Btw, the Internet developed because of this "shaddy" business that is porn and obviously did not go anywhere else after that.

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Citation please.

Yeah I was going to suggest that.

But also, please tell me where is all this 'bitcoin porn' being hidden? I haven't noticed it around.

Op is just trolling.

But there are a couple that sell porn videos for bitcoins, altough I dont see the business with all the free porn around. Cam services might have more traction.

So you dislike people just because they watch porn? In what kind of prude society have you been raised? :-(

Bitcoin and porn are a perfect match. You can anonymously pay for it without having PORN written all over on a bank transaction. Watching porn is perfectly normal for human beings. If you don't like it, don't watch it but don't hate people just because they play with themself. IMHO it would give the Bitcoin movement a big push if porn sites would accept bitcoins directly. Same for filehosters and mp3 shops.

There was a discussion in some other thread about the VHS vs BetaMax technology fight and how porn was the reason why VHS won the race. It strengthened the VHS distribution.

Anyone that doesn't agree with you = troll

I disagree.

But how would porn advance the bitcoin cause? Why would anyone tell people they used bitcoin and be branded "that creepy porn buyer"?

You wouldn't need to tell anyone.

The point of discovery could be on the (already established) porn sites themselves.

eg. Guy goes to his favorite porn site (or one that he's just been spammed with) and sees the payment options... credit card or bitcoin and maybe that has a link to bitcoin.org.

I wonder if it's a coincidence that LH66 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10239) started the exact same discussion about "bitcoin porn" on August 16, 2011, 06:02:17 pm:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=32386.msg460171#msg460171

After this, people were responding and disagreed with her. The discussion went on for a view hours...
Coincidently.... the registration date of our captainteemo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=38742)(male) in this thread here is August 16, 2011, 10:18:10 pm ....a view hours after LH66 started the discussion. And the next day, on August 17. LH66 stopped the discussion:

And now he's complaining about the same thing:

Reading the comment history from both accounts however shows that they might not be the same person, there are quite obvious differences in writing style...
I think captainteemo has read the conversation in the other thread and is now just fulfilling his nickname(i read "Captain Emo" the first time, sry), trying to be the wight knight or is just trolling.

Conspiracy! ...Thoughts?


Because porn is not the only thing you can buy with Bitcoins? Bitcoin has other purposes too, it's not dedicated to porn. Just like cash isn't dedicated to drugs. You can buy drugs in every city for cash...does that mean to you everyone who uses cash automatically is a drug addict?



Oh, and I also think there is nothing wrong with porn. :)

This is my first wander into this subforum, and I haven't visited that thread once.

My understanding of the huge 'bitcoin bubble' a few months back was that it was caused by a senator clamoring to shut down Silk Road and Bitcoins. Saying quite openly that bitcoins were being used to buy drugs.

So it might be that the more moral outrage there is, the faster bitcoin is learnt about and adopted. If that's true, then it makes it worthwhile to support the use of bitcoin for immoral activities, even if that's not what personally interests you.

All red blooded heterosexual men like Porn.  Done.

Whatever two adults want to do with each other is none of your business. If one adult wants to be paid money to pose for nude photographs and another adult wants to pay money to photograph someone nude, it's none of your damned business. Why would you think that what one woman does reflects on all women? They are individuals.


So what? Anyone that can't tell the difference between a medium of exchange and the services that accept that medium of exchange, probably couldn't figure out how to use Bitcoin anyways.

This couldn't be more wrong.  I know your small mind can't wrap itself around externalities, but try hard for a second...

The issue has nothing to do with what two consenting adults are doing.  The issue is how pornography affects society's perception of women.  If pornography promotes violence against women (something some people claim and have studies to support), then what those two consenting adults do on film very much affects ALL women.






Exactly the attitude I'm talking about.  "They don't think like me?"  Fuck 'em.

You're an outstanding businessman.

There is sense in what you are talking about. But there is also much porn which promotes violence against men (some men like this). Does it affect society's perception of men? Is it good or bad?

I'm not making a judgment one way or another.  I just wanted to correct bitcoin2moron's inability to understand externalities and consequences of actions.

Personally, I'm of the belief that some porn does promote violence and/or a degrading outlook on women.  However, that's only SOME porn.  Definitely not all porn.  It's something that needs to be taken on a case by case basis.

Are you referring to posts here on this forum?  There no longer is an "official" forum for Bitcoin.  For now, links to the old domain still forward to their equivalents on this forum, but new posts and replies no longer get indexed from a bitcoin.org  domain.

There are other forums with different communities:
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Forums

There likely will soon be a beta forum on Stack Exchange, as 94% of the needed "committments" have been reached:
 - http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/30763/bitcoin-crypto-currency

It doesn't matter what third parties think about interactions between two consenting adults.

This thread already looks like it's headed in the wrong direction.  ;)

Don't be silly AyeYo Bitcoin is far from dead...

http://s1.postimage.org/1esnbgzcj/Bitcoin.png

That's like telling a leopard to change its spots. Yo-Yo is a trolling piece of shit and nothing will change that short of several extra IQ points or medication for whatever mental illness he has.

Meanwhile, this above is your addition to the debate. Remind me again, whom is trolling whom?

But women also watch porn. Why would they watch something that's degrading to them?

Because in reality porn is degrading to men and some women like it. You can see in the movies how women use the men to obtain sex and use them as sexual objects without worrying for their emotional needs. Its discusting how some women can do that to a man.

If I'm going to be insulted then you can damn well be sure that I'll give you the same treatment. Can't take it? Don't dish it out.


Get over it, whining hypocrite.

not everyone finds it offensive, you shouldnt lay your hang ups on other people.   

personally, i find anti abortion rallies offensive, but i dont feel the need to berate the people who choose to participate in them...

 in my country, porn is protected by free speech, as it should be....my suggestion is to get over it and live your own life instead of worrying about other peoples lifestyles.

porn often leads technology (remember hd-dvd vs blu-ray?)


http://www.law.indiana.edu/fclj/pubs/v49/no1/johnson.html
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2004-03-09-onlineporn_x.htm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/26/opinion/garver/main1548040.shtml

I wonder how someone who doesn't watch porn can say that "pornography is degrading to women" ...how can he even "know" that?

It sure as shit does when it potentially increases rape and battery rates, affects workplace treatment, general social treatment, societal perception, etc.





Because "women" are a diverse group that do not all share the same opinions on everything, believe it or not.  Some like it, others do not.  Some like certain porn while they dislike other types of porn.  The world is not black and white, try hard to understand that.

If you think it's degrading perhaps you need to take a closer look at yourself, you are not the judge of what's right, wrong, and what's degrading. In fact I think porn should be encouraged, I think it makes them look more majestic and pure, so by that reasoning we should promote 'whorism' and make more porn!.... from your seat it must be a good thing that im not in charge of the world, just like im glad ignorant people like you aren't either.

*pops some popcorn and refuses to post more in the name of killing this thread*