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Title: Up up up!
Post by: SgtSpike on August 20, 2011, 12:23:53 AM
I haven't seen this steady of an uptrend since... well... a while ago.  :P


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: BitcoinStars.com on August 20, 2011, 12:25:36 AM
So it's up tomorrow for sure ?  8)


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: Bitcoin Swami on August 20, 2011, 01:18:00 AM
Looks like the volume at exchb is rocking..  lots of people buying there.  People love the instant deposits.. not sure how long it can last but its nice while its happening.


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: Serge on August 20, 2011, 02:12:29 AM
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: ElectricMucus on August 20, 2011, 02:14:46 AM
lawl  ;D


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: Serge on August 20, 2011, 02:22:34 AM
i don't know where that huge and growing mount will take us, so for now i'm canceling my sell orders


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: Intervex Digital on August 20, 2011, 02:26:02 AM
I've still been unable to successfully fund an account in time for a strategic buy on these dips, I think ExchB is in my future... I'm on a business trip ATM and may just have to sign up to jump on board before the party's over!


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: BitcoinStars.com on August 20, 2011, 02:28:34 AM
i don't know where that huge and growing mount will take us, so for now i'm canceling my sell orders

Feeling Bullish?  8)


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: SgtSpike on August 20, 2011, 02:30:03 AM
Wow... that's the first time I've seen the buys higher than the asks in a long time!

I am feeling bullish indeed right now.  :)


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: BitcoinStars.com on August 20, 2011, 02:32:02 AM
Wow... that's the first time I've seen the buys higher than the asks in a long time!

I am feeling bullish indeed right now.  :)


We haven't had bad news in the bitcoin world in over a week. That is super bullish  8)


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: Serge on August 20, 2011, 02:38:13 AM
i don't know where that huge and growing mount will take us, so for now i'm canceling my sell orders

Feeling Bullish?  8)

indeed, i managed to screw up on few smallish rallies recently, wiped all my gains that i made on slide downs, not taking any chances now until we reach new peaks =)


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: helloworld on August 20, 2011, 02:47:07 AM
We haven't had bad news in the bitcoin world in over a week. That is super bullish  8)

Heh, such a volatile playground...


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: GoWest on August 20, 2011, 03:31:16 AM
Come on, $20!!


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: julz on August 20, 2011, 04:16:57 AM
I think all the rallying from the previous $11 up to the current $11.50 is purely in *anticipation* of good news coverage coming out of the conference.
This means if there is too much more upwards movement before the actual news - and the news isn't particularly good at pulling in more interest for bitcoin - then we may just see a 'disappointment' drop after the conference.

I'll be happy if there's just enough news coming out of this to consolidate and stabilize the anticipatory gains we seem to be seeing now.
If it spikes up to $20 or beyond.. how can you have a reasonable confidence that this is sustainable and isn't about to crash back to $11 or so?
What we really need to see in bitcoin is a slow uptrend as new services and users come in to the community.


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: MattscheAN on August 20, 2011, 04:23:30 AM
I think all the rallying from the previous $11 up to the current $11.50 is purely in *anticipation* of good news coverage coming out of the conference.
This means if there is too much more upwards movement before the actual news - and the news isn't particularly good at pulling in more interest for bitcoin - then we may just see a 'disappointment' drop after the conference.

I'll be happy if there's just enough news coming out of this to consolidate and stabilize the anticipatory gains we seem to be seeing now.
If it spikes up to $20 or beyond.. how can you have a reasonable confidence that this is sustainable and isn't about to crash back to $11 or so?
What we really need to see in bitcoin is a slow uptrend as new services and users come in to the community.



1+

you're damn right - not these 30$ jumps again - that would be bad news for bitcoins future!


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: Cluster2k on August 20, 2011, 09:23:08 AM
My ~$7.50 orders are still in place.  I expect them to be filled sometime in the next few months when the next exchange is hacked or someone gets access to a fat wallet.dat.  It's only a matter of time as the potential rewards for pwning one file are so large. 


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: julz on August 20, 2011, 09:40:16 AM
My ~$7.50 orders are still in place.  I expect them to be filled sometime in the next few months when the next exchange is hacked or someone gets access to a fat wallet.dat.  It's only a matter of time as the potential rewards for pwning one file are so large. 

Nice theory..  but if concurrent issues of bitomat.pl losing it's wallet + mybitcoin only brought it down to approximately that level.. then your 7.50 catch point is probably only good if bitcoins are trading at around $15 or less (approx where they were before these problems)

I don't know how best to estimate the effect of major service failure/hacks... but I have a suspicion that if we see a rise to around $15 again soon, then people will realize that even these perceived 'major' events are really nothing more than a transient side issue as far as bitcoin itself is concerned.  Future such dips might therefore be less drastic.



Title: My two cents
Post by: ruski on August 20, 2011, 09:52:28 AM
I sold my holdings at 11.50.

In real, emotional stocks with this pattern - jump, simmer, jump, simmer, flatline - it tends to indicate a major break about to happen. Which direction is usually only evident seconds before it happens.

Watch for the next visible bump - if it's immediately upwards, it's highly likely it will trigger some autosells, more autosells will follow, and the price will snowball downward very quickly.

The opposite is also true. If it dips slightly downward, it will trigger buys, and it could snowball upward a very long way.

If I see that downward dip, I'm buying in hard. 8)

With all the itchy trigger fingers, and the usual weekend sell volume, I'm not putting too much stock in all those buy orders. All it will take is one eager, early large buy, and autosales plus the usual sale volume will put hard downward pressure on it. I don't see too many large holders selling on the flatline so I believe a drop is far more likely than a rise right now.


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: old_engineer on August 20, 2011, 01:39:12 PM
You might have sold to me, Ruski, I bought in at 11.50-ish.  I just don't see a large bitcoin holders dropping coins before they see what happens during and after the conference.  Why would they sell now?  I think there will be lots of small buys from eager beavers that eat their way up to $11.80 this weekend, with several large buys happening next week, pushing up and over $12 before the sellers start selling again.  My prediction: $14 by the end of the month.


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: BitcoinStars.com on August 20, 2011, 03:38:16 PM
So are we up for sure today?  8)


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: FlipPro on August 20, 2011, 04:18:14 PM
My ~$7.50 orders are still in place.  I expect them to be filled sometime in the next few months when the next exchange is hacked or someone gets access to a fat wallet.dat.  It's only a matter of time as the potential rewards for pwning one file are so large. 

Nice theory..  but if concurrent issues of bitomat.pl losing it's wallet + mybitcoin only brought it down to approximately that level.. then your 7.50 catch point is probably only good if bitcoins are trading at around $15 or less (approx where they were before these problems)

I don't know how best to estimate the effect of major service failure/hacks... but I have a suspicion that if we see a rise to around $15 again soon, then people will realize that even these perceived 'major' events are really nothing more than a transient side issue as far as bitcoin itself is concerned.  Future such dips might therefore be less drastic.


+1 It's like if your local wachovia gets robbed does the dollar drop?

It's just the economy is in such an infant stage that speculators shoot it down for even the slightest mishaps, even if it's completely unrelated to Bitcoin or the block-chain itself (mybitcoin).

Mark my words, don't shoot yourself in 3 months when the price is tripple of what you are bidding... Seriously now's the time to buy


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: BitcoinStars.com on August 20, 2011, 04:28:53 PM
But what about today?  8)


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: dree12 on August 20, 2011, 04:40:57 PM
The weekend dip is back it seems. But this time the bid side is big enough to keep it above $11, maybe. It's easier to get bitcoins in than USD right now, which is why it's going down.

Anyone think fall and winter in the northern hemisphere will cause a rally? I certainly do.


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: Cluster2k on August 21, 2011, 02:48:48 AM
My ~$7.50 orders are still in place.  I expect them to be filled sometime in the next few months when the next exchange is hacked or someone gets access to a fat wallet.dat.  It's only a matter of time as the potential rewards for pwning one file are so large. 

Nice theory..  but if concurrent issues of bitomat.pl losing it's wallet + mybitcoin only brought it down to approximately that level.. then your 7.50 catch point is probably only good if bitcoins are trading at around $15 or less (approx where they were before these problems)

I don't know how best to estimate the effect of major service failure/hacks... but I have a suspicion that if we see a rise to around $15 again soon, then people will realize that even these perceived 'major' events are really nothing more than a transient side issue as far as bitcoin itself is concerned.  Future such dips might therefore be less drastic.
+1 It's like if your local wachovia gets robbed does the dollar drop?

A local bank getting robbed doesn't affect the price of the dollar.  Why would it?  Someone stealing maybe 0.00001% of all outstanding US currency is hardly going to shake the extremely deep and liquid market.  Customers don't lose any money as the bank is insured, and it's always possible for the government to step and replace the money.

Compare that with bitcoins, where the market is very thin and can be moved down a long way with just a few thousand bitcoins.  There is no recourse for those that lose their wallet.  No compensation and no possible way to retrieve the lost bitcoins.  Where before have users had the ability to store several hundred thousand dollars in a file?  Pwning someone's credit card or bank account number doesn't count, as it's just access to the account and not the actual account itself.  The customer is ultimately protected.  Bitcoins are a little like stuffing cash in the mattress, except that someone can raid your mattress from the other side of the world while you're sleeping.



Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: ruski on August 24, 2011, 01:04:42 AM
You might have sold to me, Ruski, I bought in at 11.50-ish.  I just don't see a large bitcoin holders dropping coins before they see what happens during and after the conference.  Why would they sell now?  I think there will be lots of small buys from eager beavers that eat their way up to $11.80 this weekend, with several large buys happening next week, pushing up and over $12 before the sellers start selling again.  My prediction: $14 by the end of the month.


Still happy with that decision?


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: dree12 on August 24, 2011, 05:18:26 PM
You might have sold to me, Ruski, I bought in at 11.50-ish.  I just don't see a large bitcoin holders dropping coins before they see what happens during and after the conference.  Why would they sell now?  I think there will be lots of small buys from eager beavers that eat their way up to $11.80 this weekend, with several large buys happening next week, pushing up and over $12 before the sellers start selling again.  My prediction: $14 by the end of the month.


Still happy with that decision?
Rally failed, huh. Think long-term though: we're still recovering from arguably the biggest drop in modern bitcoin history (price halved in two weeks) just a while ago, and consider that the 20-week moving average has never gone down in bitcoin history. There will be very strong support at $9.90 and might go up a while before two scenarios might happen: a steady dip through autumn in the northern hemisphere, or a strong rally that might last some while.


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: old_engineer on August 24, 2011, 09:35:01 PM
You might have sold to me, Ruski, I bought in at 11.50-ish.  I just don't see a large bitcoin holders dropping coins before they see what happens during and after the conference.  Why would they sell now?  I think there will be lots of small buys from eager beavers that eat their way up to $11.80 this weekend, with several large buys happening next week, pushing up and over $12 before the sellers start selling again.  My prediction: $14 by the end of the month.


Still happy with that decision?

Eh, the market is determined by the whales.  Someone dropped 5k coins on Sunday, and there was another big sell of 10-15k coins on Monday, dropping the whole market.  The market is ripe for yet another whale to buy in, which would push the price right back up.  I'm fine with holding for now... and there's still another week until the end of the month... :)

Oh, and I may be down 8% with this buy-in, but my last buy-in was at 6.6 and I sold at 9, so I'm still way above water.


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: old_engineer on August 25, 2011, 07:42:04 AM
Also, Murphy says that if I sell today, it'll shoot up tomorrow, guaranteed. :)


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: cloon on August 25, 2011, 08:15:35 AM
Also, Murphy says that if I sell today, it'll shoot up tomorrow, guaranteed. :)
also if i hold, it'll crash

murphy is a subjective luckyless predictor


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: mobodick on August 25, 2011, 11:30:16 AM
Also, Murphy says that if I sell today, it'll shoot up tomorrow, guaranteed. :)

As long as you'll let us know when you sell it will be all right..


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: ruski on August 25, 2011, 01:23:19 PM
Price will be going down to $9ish over the next week. Not fearmongering, thats just how it is. I'll be holding mined coins and buying when I see a bottom.


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: 322i0n on August 25, 2011, 01:37:12 PM
The way things are going today price will $9 dollars by bedtime.


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: proudhon on August 25, 2011, 01:45:50 PM
The way things are going today price will $9 dollars by bedtime.

Going by chodpapa's last support/resistence chart, it looks like if we break the support in the 9.75-10.00 range then it looks like a fairly quick tumble back down to 6-7.


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: 322i0n on August 25, 2011, 02:17:51 PM
In about 4 hours time there is an increase in trading activity. I am guessing that will decimate the $10 - 10.02 wall. From there its free fall!!

$6-7 24 hours.


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: ElectricMucus on August 25, 2011, 02:22:53 PM
I wouldn't call that freefall, that would be at most 4-5 or below (longterm resistance). Can't see that we're going there.


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: 322i0n on August 25, 2011, 02:29:54 PM
In the last 12 hours its dropped a dollar. why would anyone want to hold when you can cash out at $10 and jump back in at $9 with some extra coinage.


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: coined on August 25, 2011, 02:44:37 PM
In the last 12 hours its dropped a dollar. why would anyone want to hold when you can cash out at $10 and jump back in at $9 with some extra coinage.

I sense a little fear in that post  ;D when you sell your coins the perspective changes, you worry about the market shooting up rapidly, which it can do  :P

good luck either way


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: 322i0n on August 25, 2011, 05:24:14 PM
fear would say do nothing and wait for things to happen that favour me.

I would say make all situations favourable to yourself. use the opportunities that come your way to your own advantage.


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: ruski on August 25, 2011, 08:52:01 PM
Sometimes doing nothing is the hardest thing of all. When it feels like the world is coming down on your head, stop and think - if I was in the opposite position, what would I be thinking? Is it worth dumping now or is this the buy-high sell-low point that's gonna do me in?

As always, though, the only opinion that matters is your own. ;)


Title: Re: Up up up!
Post by: old_engineer on August 26, 2011, 11:18:14 PM
We're dealing with a new currency that's inflating 0.1% per day.   This is the equiv of the fed printing 9 billion per day, 270 billion per month, $3.2 trillion per year - almost exactly the size of the 2010 US Federal budget 2010 (3.4 trillion; M2 money supply is 9 trillion)

I think things will be more stable in a year at 25 coins per block and 10M bitcoins in circulation, about 1/3rd the current inflation rate.  Until then, we're in the wild, wild west.