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Alternate cryptocurrencies => Mining (Altcoins) => Topic started by: e97 on May 16, 2018, 05:49:54 AM



Title: Algorithms : alternative to brute forcing solutions
Post by: e97 on May 16, 2018, 05:49:54 AM
Are most algos for nonce + hash generation formally proven to be completely random?

Is there a more effective method to generate nonce's rather than random brute force search?

Has anyone done any research on nonce / hash patterns?

Statistically speaking, there are fewer higher difficulty solutions so the probability of randomly 'landing' on one is low but if there's a way to guarantee any part of the hash, then it would drastically improve hashrate.


Title: Re: Algorithms : alternative to brute forcing solutions
Post by: Max Likelihood on May 16, 2018, 01:38:46 PM
I have wondered this myself, though as a non-cryptographer I'm pretty sure that if it were possible someone would have done it.


Title: Re: Algorithms : alternative to brute forcing solutions
Post by: butka on May 16, 2018, 06:47:54 PM
Are most algos for nonce + hash generation formally proven to be completely random?
Yes, there's no other way but to check randomly.

Is there a more effective method to generate nonce's rather than random brute force search?

No, see above.

Has anyone done any research on nonce / hash patterns?

There are no patterns. There's no other way to find the hash but to randomly try different inputs to the hashing function.


Title: Re: Algorithms : alternative to brute forcing solutions
Post by: HansHagberg on May 17, 2018, 03:06:54 PM
It's likely quantum computers will be excellent miners. They can probably zoom in on solutions much quicker than the random massive parallel method. We will probably find out in a year or five.
Quantum computers are already available as experimental cloud services. It won't be long until speed and number of qubits are useful. Then, some clever developer will start solo mining bitcoins and find a lot of profitable blocks all by himself.


Title: Re: Algorithms : alternative to brute forcing solutions
Post by: madnessteat on May 17, 2018, 07:47:29 PM
It's likely quantum computers will be excellent miners. They can probably zoom in on solutions much quicker than the random massive parallel method. We will probably find out in a year or five.
Quantum computers are already available as experimental cloud services. It won't be long until speed and number of qubits are useful. Then, some clever developer will start solo mining bitcoins and find a lot of profitable blocks all by himself.
I do not think that quantum computers will be used for mining cryptocurrency. There are more interesting problems that they can solve. But I'm waiting for them to be tested in mining.


Title: Re: Algorithms : alternative to brute forcing solutions
Post by: Etherion on May 17, 2018, 07:58:54 PM
It's likely quantum computers will be excellent miners. They can probably zoom in on solutions much quicker than the random massive parallel method. We will probably find out in a year or five.
Quantum computers are already available as experimental cloud services. It won't be long until speed and number of qubits are useful. Then, some clever developer will start solo mining bitcoins and find a lot of profitable blocks all by himself.
I do not think that quantum computers will be used for mining cryptocurrency. There are more interesting problems that they can solve. But I'm waiting for them to be tested in mining.
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Title: Re: Algorithms : alternative to brute forcing solutions
Post by: saksitamill on May 17, 2018, 11:48:18 PM
There's no algorithmic patterns, but neural networks can speed up the process.
https://github.com/nnmin/NeuralMinerETH