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Title: prime dice spam bots
Post by: bitpop on December 30, 2013, 11:20:05 AM
I'm sick of the random texts the prime dice spammers leave everywhere
Ban primedice
Ghost the url!


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: jackjack on December 30, 2013, 11:42:40 AM
+1


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: bitpop on December 30, 2013, 11:43:27 AM
Perma ban their url

They are promoting, incentivizing and paying for the spam


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: whiskers75 on December 30, 2013, 02:49:43 PM
Perma ban their url

They are promoting, incentivizing and paying for the spam
Yes, do!


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: SaltySpitoon on December 30, 2013, 05:33:54 PM
Paid signature spam in general is being discussed. As of now, the spammers whether bots or people just get banned when caught.



Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: hilariousandco on December 30, 2013, 06:40:47 PM
Paid signature spam in general is being discussed. As of now, the spammers whether bots or people just get banned when caught.



Can't you just warn persistent spammers? Seems unfair to punish everyone just because a handful of newbs spam the same crap all the time.


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: SaltySpitoon on December 30, 2013, 10:10:02 PM
Paid signature spam in general is being discussed. As of now, the spammers whether bots or people just get banned when caught.



Can't you just warn persistent spammers? Seems unfair to punish everyone just because a handful of newbs spam the same crap all the time.

Punish everyone? As of right now, those that are caught spamming are banned. I don't know what the future holds though.


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: hilariousandco on December 30, 2013, 10:18:14 PM
Paid signature spam in general is being discussed. As of now, the spammers whether bots or people just get banned when caught.



Can't you just warn persistent spammers? Seems unfair to punish everyone just because a handful of newbs spam the same crap all the time.

Punish everyone? As of right now, those that are caught spamming are banned. I don't know what the future holds though.

I meant by potentially banning forum sig ads etc, which sounds like it might be a possibility by the end of your sentence.


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: Jcw188 on December 30, 2013, 10:21:42 PM
The other thing I'll add IN FAVOR of continuing to all ads in signatures is that the main "culprit" (Stunna) does not pay for junk or spam posts and in fact he makes a big deal about apparently going through spam or junk posts and not paying for them.  I could totally see banning certain ads if the advertiser will pay people for junk posts, but that is not what Stunna is all about.


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: alivecrypto on December 30, 2013, 10:32:22 PM
Ban such newbs who are spamming, ban such who are actually scamming in the name of sig. Ban such who are not paying. I have special recommendations who got paid from prime dice so if primedice is doing good work then why are you after it? Did they don't pay you? If they don't pay you then try to go back and check your posts may be you will find answer there.
I am brand new member but I will also be starting when my activity will be more then 10-20. We need to promote good one and throw out scammers.


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: Peacefrog on December 30, 2013, 11:40:30 PM
If anything iv'e been reading my posts more carefully since adding the signature lol. However, I have seen very blatant spam continuously spewing from some members. I agree with Jcw, maybe that rule should be required by anyone paying for post counts


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: freedomno1 on December 30, 2013, 11:49:50 PM
Well I don't mind the ad system itself it helps newbies acquire tiny amounts of bitcoin and we know it can truly be a PITA to get any :)
Hero Levels Can just ignore ads if you lurk here till then  ;) (Before we went to activity sure some users used that ha-ha)
That said bots hanging around posting is not supported
TradeFortress had a system based on forum activity to reach a payout amount not sure if it would work as an effective filter option but worth a try if Stunna wants to try to soft filter newbie account posting.


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: bitpop on December 31, 2013, 01:09:38 AM
"Stunna" has no time to go through each post.
He is incentivizing each post by paying for it. OF COURSE every single person will pad their post count.

Then you have signatures like mine which pay per month, not per post.


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: freedomno1 on December 31, 2013, 07:33:40 AM
"Stunna" has no time to go through each post.
He is incentivizing each post by paying for it. OF COURSE every single person will pad their post count.

Then you have signatures like mine which pay per month, not per post.

Bitpop
What campaign are your referring to as its not in the main thread for sig-ad campaigns
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333916.0

I do agree that it does promote padding but really obvious spam and abuse of the system will likely just result in the campaign being closed to new participants then flushed clean, or a lot of hammer bashing over the holidays he-he.


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: bitpop on December 31, 2013, 07:49:55 AM
"Stunna" has no time to go through each post.
He is incentivizing each post by paying for it. OF COURSE every single person will pad their post count.

Then you have signatures like mine which pay per month, not per post.

Bitpop
What campaign are your referring to as its not in the main thread for sig-ad campaigns
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333916.0

I do agree that it does promote padding but really obvious spam and abuse of the system will likely just result in the campaign being closed to new participants then flushed clean, or a lot of hammer bashing over the holidays he-he.

Its not the first one?

PrimeDice (thread)
Payment period: Monthly, 17th of every month.
Minimum posts: 50 per claim.
Payments: 0.0002 BTC per post. Maximum of 0.4 BTC (2000 posts).
Miscellaneous: Only constructive posts count. Participants can claim payment once per month as long as at least 50 posts were made since the last claim or enrollment.


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: freedomno1 on December 31, 2013, 07:52:06 AM
"Stunna" has no time to go through each post.
He is incentivizing each post by paying for it. OF COURSE every single person will pad their post count.

Then you have signatures like mine which pay per month, not per post.

Bitpop
What campaign are your referring to as its not in the main thread for sig-ad campaigns
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333916.0

I do agree that it does promote padding but really obvious spam and abuse of the system will likely just result in the campaign being closed to new participants then flushed clean, or a lot of hammer bashing over the holidays he-he.

Its not the first one?

PrimeDice (thread)
Payment period: Monthly, 17th of every month.
Minimum posts: 50 per claim.
Payments: 0.0002 BTC per post. Maximum of 0.4 BTC (2000 posts).
Miscellaneous: Only constructive posts count. Participants can claim payment once per month as long as at least 50 posts were made since the last claim or enrollment.

Woops I didn't define that clearly I meant this part from your post

Then you have signatures like mine which pay per month, not per post.

Was wondering which campaign that was from :)


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: bitpop on December 31, 2013, 07:54:56 AM
"Stunna" has no time to go through each post.
He is incentivizing each post by paying for it. OF COURSE every single person will pad their post count.

Then you have signatures like mine which pay per month, not per post.

Bitpop
What campaign are your referring to as its not in the main thread for sig-ad campaigns
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333916.0

I do agree that it does promote padding but really obvious spam and abuse of the system will likely just result in the campaign being closed to new participants then flushed clean, or a lot of hammer bashing over the holidays he-he.

Its not the first one?

PrimeDice (thread)
Payment period: Monthly, 17th of every month.
Minimum posts: 50 per claim.
Payments: 0.0002 BTC per post. Maximum of 0.4 BTC (2000 posts).
Miscellaneous: Only constructive posts count. Participants can claim payment once per month as long as at least 50 posts were made since the last claim or enrollment.

Woops I didn't define that clearly I meant this part from your post

Then you have signatures like mine which pay per month, not per post.

Was wondering which campaign that was from :)

Oh none haha I sold it privately.

It just got annoying when the outsourced Indian folk starting posting stuff like "yes, good idea, I agree I will follow up to this idea"
senseless shit, its not even spam or trolling which is easily detected. it's senseless robot shit that wastes your time reading before you realize wtf


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: Stunna on December 31, 2013, 08:36:58 AM
I'll look into offering a fixed amount perhaps going off activity for next term. Until then, if anyone is blatantly spamming with a PD signature send me a PM and I'll make sure to message them and revoke their payment.

The reason I liked the current system was because it gave newer users a chance to get some starting bitcoins, but clearly it is being abused and shouldn't remain. Please accept my apologies for your negative experience as a result of this.

Noted this on my thread here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.msg4234123#msg4234123).


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: bitpop on December 31, 2013, 08:41:17 AM
It's like adsense, no matter what, you will ALWAYS have cheaters because the motivation and the ease is so lop sided.


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: MrPalmer on December 31, 2013, 08:43:56 AM
The reason I liked the current system was because it gave newer users a chance to get some starting bitcoins, but clearly it is being abused and shouldn't remain. Please accept my apologies for your negative experience as a result of this.

Kudos.  Your intention behind the current system worked perfectly on me.  I was lurking the forums, saw the offer, and decided to register and get involved with this BTC community because of it.  Your offer was the deciding factor.  I totally understand that spammers are abusing the system, and it's too bad they have to ruin it for the newbies (like myself) who are just starting to get involved.  


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: Stunna on December 31, 2013, 09:03:49 AM
It's like adsense, no matter what, you will ALWAYS have cheaters because the motivation and the ease is so lop sided.

Yeah, I can't change anything until term ends (Jan 17th). But I'd definitely consider paying based off activity. People who cheat will move on to other campaigns though which won't really solve the issue. Until then as I mentioned, please PM me if you see anyone abusing this/spamming.


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: bitpop on December 31, 2013, 09:10:31 AM
The reason I liked the current system was because it gave newer users a chance to get some starting bitcoins, but clearly it is being abused and shouldn't remain. Please accept my apologies for your negative experience as a result of this.

Kudos.  Your intention behind the current system worked perfectly on me.  I was lurking the forums, saw the offer, and decided to register and get involved with this BTC community because of it.  Your offer was the deciding factor.  I totally understand that spammers are abusing the system, and it's too bad they have to ruin it for the newbies (like myself) who are just starting to get involved.  

Your link doesnt even work

Then you delete your post lol


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: MrPalmer on December 31, 2013, 09:25:45 AM

Your link doesnt even work

Then you delete your post lol

Sorry, I'm confused - I didn't delete anything?  My post is still there.   ???


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: deisik on December 31, 2013, 09:35:26 AM
"Stunna" has no time to go through each post.
He is incentivizing each post by paying for it. OF COURSE every single person will pad their post count.

Then you have signatures like mine which pay per month, not per post.

Wrong premises. Now being payed on per post basis (unlike previous tier based system which was like a sport to me), I write as many posts that I would do even without participating in the campaign. I keep my threads going (which I started) and primarily answer the questions either pertaining to the topic raised or when asked directly about something...

I wouldn't even bother to answer your post but for blatant wrongness of your assumptions and sweeping accusations thereof


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: bitpop on December 31, 2013, 09:43:52 AM

Your link doesnt even work

Then you delete your post lol

Sorry, I'm confused - I didn't delete anything?  My post is still there.   ???

Nvm


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: freedomno1 on December 31, 2013, 10:40:00 AM
I'll look into offering a fixed amount perhaps going off activity for next term. Until then, if anyone is blatantly spamming with a PD signature send me a PM and I'll make sure to message them and revoke their payment.

The reason I liked the current system was because it gave newer users a chance to get some starting bitcoins, but clearly it is being abused and shouldn't remain. Please accept my apologies for your negative experience as a result of this.

Noted this on my thread here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.msg4234123#msg4234123).

I was thinking along the same lines with the current system as new users adopt bitcoin the forum is a good place to learn about it  while acting as incentive to participate so hopefully a realignment will help promote new users to bitcoin, without irritating oldies :). Maybe even get a few new knowledgeable people and interesting topics in Development and Technical Discussion that don't lurk on github as users he-he.

And congrats to bitpop people do read posts in meta now and then, swear this area is ghostly :)



 


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: bitpop on December 31, 2013, 10:45:59 AM
I like the sanctuary here :)


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: mprep on December 31, 2013, 10:51:58 AM
I'll look into offering a fixed amount perhaps going off activity for next term. Until then, if anyone is blatantly spamming with a PD signature send me a PM and I'll make sure to message them and revoke their payment.

The reason I liked the current system was because it gave newer users a chance to get some starting bitcoins, but clearly it is being abused and shouldn't remain. Please accept my apologies for your negative experience as a result of this.

Noted this on my thread here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.msg4234123#msg4234123).
Sounds like a great idea. I've been looking high and low for systems paying for the posts (or activity) accumulated in total. You should set a minimum activity limit as well to combat alts signing up.


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: freedomno1 on December 31, 2013, 11:36:10 AM
I'll look into offering a fixed amount perhaps going off activity for next term. Until then, if anyone is blatantly spamming with a PD signature send me a PM and I'll make sure to message them and revoke their payment.

The reason I liked the current system was because it gave newer users a chance to get some starting bitcoins, but clearly it is being abused and shouldn't remain. Please accept my apologies for your negative experience as a result of this.

Noted this on my thread here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.msg4234123#msg4234123).
Sounds like a great idea. I've been looking high and low for systems paying for the posts (or activity) accumulated in total. You should set a minimum activity limit as well to combat alts signing up.

Not quite it just promotes the bitcointalk accounts for sale issue and have a bunch of stalking accounts that in theory grow slowly to pass these limits over time, but it does help reduce alts being used as any accounts found using them can be banned from using the program and reduces the spam.
So works for different reasons :)


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: mprep on December 31, 2013, 11:54:32 AM
I'll look into offering a fixed amount perhaps going off activity for next term. Until then, if anyone is blatantly spamming with a PD signature send me a PM and I'll make sure to message them and revoke their payment.

The reason I liked the current system was because it gave newer users a chance to get some starting bitcoins, but clearly it is being abused and shouldn't remain. Please accept my apologies for your negative experience as a result of this.

Noted this on my thread here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.msg4234123#msg4234123).
Sounds like a great idea. I've been looking high and low for systems paying for the posts (or activity) accumulated in total. You should set a minimum activity limit as well to combat alts signing up.

Not quite it just promotes the bitcointalk accounts for sale issue and have a bunch of stalking accounts that in theory grow slowly to pass these limits over time, but it does help reduce alts being used as any accounts found using them can be banned from using the program and reduces the spam.
So works for different reasons :)
Well, usually the price surpasses the amount to be made so it might not be very profitable.


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: guybrushthreepwood on December 31, 2013, 01:16:10 PM
I'm sick of seeing bitpop random texts and spam everywhere. Ban bitpop!


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: mistress_magpie on December 31, 2013, 04:36:33 PM
The way I see the sig is a gentle encouragement for me to post.  It's been a really good motivator for me to actually participate in a forum instead of simply lurking.  So, I spread the gospel of SPEND YOUR BITCOINS, welcome newbies, answer questions, and start the occasional thread.  Most of the active posters I see with the PD sigs seem to be doing the same.


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: guybrushthreepwood on December 31, 2013, 04:48:48 PM
The way I see the sig is a gentle encouragement for me to post.  It's been a really good motivator for me to actually participate in a forum instead of simply lurking.  So, I spread the gospel of SPEND YOUR BITCOINS, welcome newbies, answer questions, and start the occasional thread.  Most of the active posters I see with the PD sigs seem to be doing the same.

I agree. It only seems to be a few bad apples that spoil it. If people are found to be spamming or posting crap, just warn them and tell Stunna.


Title: Re: prime dice spam bots
Post by: pand70 on December 31, 2013, 05:14:37 PM
I have tried to warn stunna here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.msg4071280#msg4071280)
because i think that he's a decent guy that just wants to promote his business without causing to much trouble in the forum.

Unfortunately he didn't listen and now the only ones that keep carrying his signature are spammers with
2-digits activity and 4-digits post count  :-[