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Title: Schumacher's accident
Post by: jackjack on December 30, 2013, 12:08:21 PM
No thread for Schumi?
Let me fix this

Good luck to you and your family


Title: Re: Schumacher
Post by: skeet on December 30, 2013, 02:22:25 PM
People can make remarkable recoveries from terrible head injuries and I hope so much that with such quick treatment and the best knowledge from the best people in that field of medicine that he will be one of the lucky ones. Wishing him a speedy recovery.


Title: Re: Schumacher
Post by: Welsh on December 30, 2013, 02:25:10 PM
Indeed some sad news, hopefully he can have a good recovery. Thoughts with him and his family.


Title: Re: Schumacher
Post by: hilariousandco on December 30, 2013, 02:43:02 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/dec/30/michael-schumacher-doctors-update-condition-accident

People can make remarkable recoveries from terrible head injuries and I hope so much that with such quick treatment and the best knowledge from the best people in that field of medicine that he will be one of the lucky ones. Wishing him a speedy recovery.

And sometimes they don't. My mate's GF has been in a coma for nearly two years after a cycling accident. Such a sad situation. It's like grieving for somebody who isn't dead yet.


Title: Re: Schumacher
Post by: Frost000 on December 30, 2013, 04:06:50 PM
It's definitely a terrible injury and my thoughts are with him and his family. I'm really hoping for the best!

Thank God he was wearing a helmet, too.


Title: Re: Schumacher
Post by: yatsey87 on December 30, 2013, 04:16:03 PM
It's definitely a terrible injury and my thoughts are with him and his family. I'm really hoping for the best!

Thank God he was wearing a helmet, too.

If he's going to be braindamaged or a veg for the rest of his life it hasn't done much good, but hopefully he can make a recovery.


Title: Re: Schumacher
Post by: hilariousandco on December 30, 2013, 04:31:50 PM
It's definitely a terrible injury and my thoughts are with him and his family. I'm really hoping for the best!

Thank God he was wearing a helmet, too.

If he's going to be braindamaged or a veg for the rest of his life it hasn't done much good, but hopefully he can make a recovery.

My mate's GF was wearing a helmet. If I was going to be bed-ridden and/or severely brain-damaged for the rest of my life, I'd rather be dead personally. Hopefully he can make a decent recovery as some do. I recommend the film The Crash Reel about the pro skateboarder Kevin Pearce about his brain injury and recovery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crash_Reel


Title: Re: Schumacher
Post by: Frost000 on December 30, 2013, 05:14:12 PM
It's definitely a terrible injury and my thoughts are with him and his family. I'm really hoping for the best!

Thank God he was wearing a helmet, too.

If he's going to be braindamaged or a veg for the rest of his life it hasn't done much good, but hopefully he can make a recovery.

I'd personally prefer at least having a shot at recovery but you're right... It's better to die than to be a vegetable taking up space for the rest of your life.


Title: Re: Schumacher
Post by: hilariousandco on December 30, 2013, 05:18:10 PM
It's definitely a terrible injury and my thoughts are with him and his family. I'm really hoping for the best!

Thank God he was wearing a helmet, too.

If he's going to be braindamaged or a veg for the rest of his life it hasn't done much good, but hopefully he can make a recovery.

I'd personally prefer at least having a shot at recovery but you're right... It's better to die than to be a vegetable taking up space for the rest of your life.

Obviously a full or even partial recovery is probably always preferred, but it depends on the severity of your injuries. I could handle being in a wheelchair or being unsteady on my feet and never being 100% again, but I wouldn't want looking after 24/7 and be hooked up to machines. That's no way to live.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: xkeyscore89 on December 31, 2013, 11:49:57 AM
It seems he's undergone an operation to relieve blood pressure on the brain, including the removal of a "large hematoma", resulting in a "surprising improvement".  He's still in a medically-induced coma for a reason.  Brain function is definitely present on the scans and the functions of higher-consciousness are being suppressed to allow maximum recovery.

I'd look for the guy to make a 100% recovery if I had to make a wild speculation.  The number of neural connections in his brain must be 100 times that of a normal person for him to drive the way he did for so long.  The ability to interpret information coming at you at 200mph + makes me think his brain is capable of neoplasticity to an extent that is greater than that of a normal person.  With pressure being relieved, true regeneration is able to take place in a mind unburdened by being conscious.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: hilariousandco on December 31, 2013, 12:35:16 PM
I'd look for the guy to make a minimum 100% recovery, if I had to make a wild speculation.  The number of neural connections in his brain must be 100 times that of a normal person for him to drive the way he did for so long. 

You wot mate? Minimum 100% recovery? And I'm guessing you're not a neuroscientist?


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: xkeyscore89 on December 31, 2013, 12:46:40 PM
I'd look for the guy to make a minimum 100% recovery, if I had to make a wild speculation.  The number of neural connections in his brain must be 100 times that of a normal person for him to drive the way he did for so long.

You wot mate? Minimum 100% recovery? And I'm guessing you're not a neuroscientist?

lol, whoops. I originally had a figure somewhere in the 85-95% range before I just said fuck it and put 100% with the caveat of "wild speculation" after reading the latest news on him.  I'm an amateur neuroscientist.   ;)  Here's another thing, I'm thinking that he'll wake up in the next 5 days if he doesn't stroke out or something.  If the situation looked less than optimal you can bet the latest surgical outcomes wouldn't be reported to the media while the man is still unconscious.

Helmet on, no skull fracture reported, hematoma itself removed as is its associated pressure on the brain, medically-induced coma, once in a generation genius brain, the best medical expertise $ can buy...I think the odds are in his favor.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: hilariousandco on December 31, 2013, 01:22:53 PM
I'd look for the guy to make a minimum 100% recovery, if I had to make a wild speculation.  The number of neural connections in his brain must be 100 times that of a normal person for him to drive the way he did for so long.

You wot mate? Minimum 100% recovery? And I'm guessing you're not a neuroscientist?

lol, whoops. I originally had a figure somewhere in the 85-95% range before I just said fuck it and put 100% with the caveat of "wild speculation" after reading the latest news on him.  I'm an amateur neuroscientist.   ;)  Here's another thing, I'm thinking that he'll wake up in the next 5 days if he doesn't stroke out or something.  If the situation looked less than optimal you can bet the latest surgical outcomes wouldn't be reported to the media while the man is still unconscious.

Helmet on, no skull fracture reported, hematoma itself removed as is its associated pressure on the brain, medically-induced coma, once in a generation genius brain, the best medical expertise $ can buy...I think the odds are in his favor.

You seem to be making a lot of wild assumptions here based on nothing but media coverage. Not exactly sure about "once in a generation genius brain" either  :D.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: xkeyscore89 on December 31, 2013, 02:40:53 PM
I'd look for the guy to make a minimum 100% recovery, if I had to make a wild speculation.  The number of neural connections in his brain must be 100 times that of a normal person for him to drive the way he did for so long.

You wot mate? Minimum 100% recovery? And I'm guessing you're not a neuroscientist?

lol, whoops. I originally had a figure somewhere in the 85-95% range before I just said fuck it and put 100% with the caveat of "wild speculation" after reading the latest news on him.  I'm an amateur neuroscientist.   ;)  Here's another thing, I'm thinking that he'll wake up in the next 5 days if he doesn't stroke out or something.  If the situation looked less than optimal you can bet the latest surgical outcomes wouldn't be reported to the media while the man is still unconscious.

Helmet on, no skull fracture reported, hematoma itself removed as is its associated pressure on the brain, medically-induced coma, once in a generation genius brain, the best medical expertise $ can buy...I think the odds are in his favor.

You seem to be making a lot of wild assumptions here based on nothing but media coverage. Not exactly sure about "once in a generation genius brain" either  :D.

I think I can safely say that based on his Formula 1 racing history.  My grandfather is a bit of F1 nut.  Schumacher retired in 2011 and, according to the official Formula One website, is the "statistically the greatest driver the sport has ever seen."  I take this domain to include drivers that have participated in NASCAR.  Some of his records include: most career wins (91), most wins in a season, most career pole positions, most points during a season (148 in 2004), most consecutive world championships (5), most consecutive race wins (2004), most podium finishes (154), most laps leading, most fastest laps (76)...this is just the beginning.  He dominates the all-time records lists for the sport and retired barely aged 40 years.  In an environment where death is all but certain given one wrong move at 200+ mph, he should be recognized as a genius for leaving his mark on the sport.  His reaction time combined with the speed in which he was able to process new information should leave him ranked as a genius-class athlete.  While this type of genius can't be measured by IQ, it definitely exists.  In fact, the specialization of the skill is measured on a competitive driving scale which is constantly in flux, so in terms of defining "The Best," it's more accurate than performance on a run of the mill IQ test.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: hilariousandco on December 31, 2013, 02:47:28 PM
I wouldn't really compare Forumla 1 to NASCAR, aside from their drivers are both really good at driving really fast  :D.


Title: Re: Schumacher
Post by: lightfoot on December 31, 2013, 02:51:56 PM
My mate's GF was wearing a helmet. If I was going to be bed-ridden and/or severely brain-damaged for the rest of my life, I'd rather be dead personally. Hopefully he can make a decent recovery as some do. I recommend the film The Crash Reel about the pro skateboarder Kevin Pearce about his brain injury and recovery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crash_Reel
Been there, done that, got better. However I will say that death is not a bad option in that case.

C (wasn't wearing a helmet but hell, it was the 1970's....)



Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: xkeyscore89 on December 31, 2013, 03:01:39 PM
I wouldn't really compare Forumla 1 to NASCAR, aside from their drivers are both really good at driving really fast  :D.

Neither would I, save to include its population of drivers and any skills they think they have.  They're good at turning left at speeds below 200 mph.  They have more safety features in their box-like vehicles, F1 sacrifices safety for speed while utilizing a vehicle design that will break apart and favor drivers in the event of a crash.  It does not eliminate fatalities. NASCAR is so watered-down and repetitive that any strategies employed are of the most basic caliber.  It doesn't take a special person to drive a NASCAR.  It takes a special individual to survive and dominate in a dangerous sport featuring courses through winding, narrow city streets that invite disaster.  All of this maintained for roughly 30 years, what other athlete compares in his/her respective sports?


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: hilariousandco on December 31, 2013, 03:09:36 PM
 It takes a special individual to survive and dominate in a dangerous sport featuring courses through winding, narrow city streets that invite disaster.  All of this maintained for roughly 30 years, what other athlete compares in his/her respective sports?

I'd say there's lots. Take skiing in this case. Racing drivers are still pretty protected by the cars. Even massive crashes they drivers often get out with minor injuries. Take them out of their cars and they're just as vulnerable as the rest of us.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: xkeyscore89 on January 01, 2014, 01:49:27 AM
So, after discussing this subject with my dad who happens to be a real MD, I've found that he is not optimistic that Schumacher will live much longer, let alone make a recovery.  He said he heard Michael was skiing out-of-bounds, hence the helmet.  After I told him he had another surgery this morning to remove a large hematoma, he took it as a sign of impending trouble, namely, a bleed.

Nevertheless, I think if he can survive another 5-7 days without suffering a stroke his odds are decent.  I still think he'll recover based on what I perceive to be his unique resilience factor.  I guess we'll see.  I'm no longer as confident as I was this morning.



Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: Welsh on January 01, 2014, 01:53:26 AM
He is showing signs of improvement according to recent news updates. Good news at least.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: hilariousandco on January 01, 2014, 11:37:35 AM
He is showing signs of improvement according to recent news updates. Good news at least.

I remember this is what they kept saying about Chino from the Deftones and look how that turned out. Without context or further detail 'signs of improvement' can mean his little toe might be spasming occasionally etc.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: Haidang1796 on January 02, 2014, 05:53:26 AM
so sad to hear the news. get well soon Schumacher


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: 1btcdream on January 02, 2014, 12:24:05 PM
I find it ironic, given that he was an driver in one of the most dangerous sports, that this is his worst ever injury and he was probably going as slow as he's ever been. Get well soon Schumi, the world's behind you!


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: hilariousandco on January 02, 2014, 12:44:56 PM
I find it ironic, given that he was an driver in one of the most dangerous sports, that this is his worst ever injury and he was probably going as slow as he's ever beenbeen. Get well soon Schumi, the world's behind you!

F1 drivers are protected by their machines. Even fairly big crashes the drivers get out relatively unscathed.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: Welsh on January 02, 2014, 02:46:12 PM
He is showing signs of improvement according to recent news updates. Good news at least.

I remember this is what they kept saying about Chino from the Deftones and look how that turned out. Without context or further detail 'signs of improvement' can mean his little toe might be spasming occasionally etc.

I believe their reason was increased brain activity. It can always spiral out of control but, it's always nice to hear good news instead of bad in the early stages. Early stages normally give us a good indication.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: hilariousandco on January 02, 2014, 02:52:50 PM
He is showing signs of improvement according to recent news updates. Good news at least.

I remember this is what they kept saying about Chino from the Deftones and look how that turned out. Without context or further detail 'signs of improvement' can mean his little toe might be spasming occasionally etc.

I believe their reason was increased brain activity. It can always spiral out of control but, it's always nice to hear good news instead of bad in the early stages. Early stages normally give us a good indication.

Increased brain activity means little if they're still going to be in vegetative state. I couldn’t imagine anything worse than being conscious or semi-conscious yet trapped in my own body.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: bryant.coleman on January 02, 2014, 04:07:30 PM
Increased brain activity means little if they're still going to be in vegetative state. I couldn’t imagine anything worse than being conscious or semi-conscious yet trapped in my own body.

He is in a medically induced coma, right? Since it is a temporary coma, I don't think he will remain unconscious for too long.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: hilariousandco on January 02, 2014, 04:19:16 PM
Increased brain activity means little if they're still going to be in vegetative state. I couldn’t imagine anything worse than being conscious or semi-conscious yet trapped in my own body.

He is in a medically induced coma, right? Since it is a temporary coma, I don't think he will remain unconscious for too long.

Depends on the circumstances. He could still be brought out of the coma and then nothing, but hopefully that wont happen.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: lightfoot on January 02, 2014, 05:21:00 PM
He is in a medically induced coma, right? Since it is a temporary coma, I don't think he will remain unconscious for too long.
Being in a coma is exceptionally boring. Hopefully someone is talking to him.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: hilariousandco on January 02, 2014, 05:51:30 PM
He is in a medically induced coma, right? Since it is a temporary coma, I don't think he will remain unconscious for too long.
Being in a coma is exceptionally boring. Hopefully someone is talking to him.

For some reason I laughed out loud at this.  ;D


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: lightfoot on January 02, 2014, 05:59:28 PM
Being in a coma is exceptionally boring. Hopefully someone is talking to him.

For some reason I laughed out loud at this.  ;D
I do too, it's ok. :-)


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: elektibi75 on January 03, 2014, 07:15:00 AM
Get well soon Champion...


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: bryant.coleman on January 03, 2014, 10:54:35 AM
Depends on the circumstances. He could still be brought out of the coma and then nothing, but hopefully that wont happen.

OK. I don't know much about medical terms and all that. I just wish him a speedy recovery.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: hilariousandco on January 03, 2014, 11:10:11 AM
Depends on the circumstances. He could still be brought out of the coma and then nothing, but hopefully that wont happen.

OK. I don't know much about medical terms and all that. I just wish him a speedy recovery.

Just being a realist here :D. I don't think there'll be many people who don't wish him and other coma victims a speedy recovery.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: Frost000 on January 03, 2014, 01:35:37 PM
Well, he just turned 45 in a coma... I'm sure missing a birthday would really suck. I know he's got bigger issues, but still.

Hopefully he's got plenty of loved ones by his side.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: waqas on January 03, 2014, 03:49:56 PM
I just read here and shocked with this news my best wishes with him and his family  :(


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: Haidang1796 on January 06, 2014, 08:25:07 AM
I knew about F1 thanks to him. get well soon


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: waqas on January 06, 2014, 09:37:32 AM
I knew about F1 thanks to him. get well soon

is there any update about his health mean he is recovering or what happen please update this thread thanks


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: hilariousandco on January 06, 2014, 11:03:17 AM
I knew about F1 thanks to him. get well soon

is there any update about his health mean he is recovering or what happen please update this thread thanks

Just google for latest news or check http://www.michael-schumacher.de/

Doesn't seem to be much info but apparently his injuries are not life threatening now.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: jackjack on January 06, 2014, 02:00:52 PM
I knew about F1 thanks to him. get well soon

is there any update about his health mean he is recovering or what happen please update this thread thanks

Just google for latest news or check http://www.michael-schumacher.de/

Doesn't seem to be much info but apparently his injuries are not life threatening now.
Source ?

Here (in France, where the accident happened) media say that he's still between the life and the death
I heard the next public  statement will be on Wednesday


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: knightcoin on January 06, 2014, 02:07:16 PM
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Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: knightcoin on January 06, 2014, 02:09:17 PM
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Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: Colin Miner on January 06, 2014, 02:17:23 PM
I'm no longer as confident as I was this morning.

If I had room in my sig for this, that is where I would put this gem of a quote.

Truly multi-purpose and ever relevant  :D



EDIT:
It fits! Thank you xkeyscore89


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: hilariousandco on January 06, 2014, 02:21:34 PM
I knew about F1 thanks to him. get well soon

is there any update about his health mean he is recovering or what happen please update this thread thanks

Just google for latest news or check http://www.michael-schumacher.de/

Doesn't seem to be much info but apparently his injuries are not life threatening now.
Source ?

Here (in France, where the accident happened) media say that he's still between the life and the death
I heard the next public  statement will be on Wednesday

I saw it on Sky News a day or two ago, but looks like you're right: http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/9101063/family-of-michael-schumacher-rubbish-reports-he-is-out-of-danger


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: MakeBelieve on January 06, 2014, 02:27:49 PM
this is so sad I hope he recovers.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: Welsh on January 06, 2014, 02:36:08 PM
I wouldn't of thought he would be out of danger this early on. If the news is accurate then that's great news.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: hilariousandco on January 06, 2014, 03:16:57 PM
I wouldn't of thought he would be out of danger this early on. If the news is accurate then that's great news.

It's not apparently. Somebody was quoted as saying he's out of the danger zone, but apparently it was misinformation.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: Welsh on January 06, 2014, 03:25:10 PM
I wouldn't of thought he would be out of danger this early on. If the news is accurate then that's great news.

It's not apparently. Somebody was quoted as saying he's out of the danger zone, but apparently it was misinformation.
I thought it was too early to be stating that. Although, I think in the next 1-2 weeks will be critical and hopefully we'll have some good news.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: hilariousandco on January 06, 2014, 03:27:36 PM
I wouldn't of thought he would be out of danger this early on. If the news is accurate then that's great news.

It's not apparently. Somebody was quoted as saying he's out of the danger zone, but apparently it was misinformation.
I thought it was too early to be stating that. Although, I think in the next 1-2 weeks will be critical and hopefully we'll have some good news.

Well, it depends. Some people can come out of comas pretty quickly, and as long as the swelling in the brain goes down and brain activity starts to recover they can announce that the patient is out of danger of death, but obviously it all depends on circumstances.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: Welsh on January 06, 2014, 03:37:42 PM
Well, it depends. Some people can come out of comas pretty quickly, and as long as the swelling in the brain goes down and brain activity starts to recover they can announce that the patient is out of danger of death, but obviously it all depends on circumstances.
That's true. Although, we have had previous news stating he has been under close observation and is in a very bad way. Taking in the previous statements and judging upon the news we have received he hasn't been doing that well and hasn't recovered that much. It's all been good news but, only small. Therefore, one day hearing he's made a huge recovery and he's okay was a bit of a surprise. Although, it can happen I didn't think it would as the chances of that happening is pretty slim.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: saif92 on January 06, 2014, 03:56:41 PM
we all looking for his good health and need to with his sad family in this situation hope he will well and soon out of hospital on his legs :)


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: xkeyscore89 on January 06, 2014, 09:01:49 PM
I'm no longer as confident as I was this morning.

If I had room in my sig for this, that is where I would put this gem of a quote.

Truly multi-purpose and ever relevant  :D



EDIT:
It fits! Thank you xkeyscore89

lol, you are welcome.


Title: Re: Schumacher's accident
Post by: waqas on January 08, 2014, 12:45:42 PM
today I read some stable but still in danger hope he become good soon and back in his family :)