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Hi. For people that use bitcoin mixers to mix their bitcoins, is it possible that somebody may actaully end up with stolen bitcoins? So in this case, using a bitcoin mixer could be far worse. For example if these stolen bitcoins are being tracked, then is it possible legit users using a mixing service, could end up with stolen bitcoins? If so, is there any way to prevent this or to find out if you have received stolen coins?

I don't use bitcoin mixers but as far as I know mixers such as ChipMixer create their chips themselves (with their own funds before giving it to you) so I don't think you can end up with stolen bitcoins.
And even if you end up with stolen bitcoins using other mixers it would be really hard to track them when it lands on your hands.

I think you're worried about the taint of the coins you might be receiving from a mixer. AFAIK, these mixers already have their own set of clean coins ready to be disposed once a user decided to utilize their service. Also, I think you will not be receiving a whole chunk of coins from a single input but rather from many inputs, hence the term "mixing". You should not worry about it because even though your coins are linked to a crime, they can't accuse you for doing anything since money also change hands everyday, so does bitcoins.


IMO though, tainted coins should be accepted as is since it's not your fault to receive such, and if the original owner of those coins have to get it back, it will destroy bitcoin's integrity as a currency since everyone can just claim that they're hacked and receive their money immediately.

I thought mixers are needed to hide addresses of where coins go from and where come to. I have heard that a user who sends his coins through mixer never can be trucked. Am I wrong?

Yes, there's a lot people using bitcoin mixer service. So, that usually happen, but i think you no need to worry about it, because it will end up with clean bitcoin.
AFAIK, no. Its too hard to track if that people using mixer service.

You are not wrong on your idea. Mixers are made to hide the taint of the coins that you received or to just obfuscate it so that no one could trace it. Once your coins entered into a mixing service, they would fully replace it with coins that came off clean or has other taints in it to cut off the previous connections of the coins to you. In essence, it is untraceable since the coins you will be receiving came from many inputs that are hard to track. So yeah, mixers are pretty damn safe.

I don’t think that till now it is possible to receive your stolen bitcoins because the most characteristic features of bitcoin transactions is that it Keeps transactions very safe and confidential and does not involve any third party seizure so it like next to impossible to trace the stolen bitcoin, I can’t predict the future that whether in future such type of mixer could be made or not but fro now it is impossible to trace stolen bitcoin and if you know something that can help to trace the stolen bitcoin then let me know.

You could very well end up with stolen coins, and they could very well be tracked to you. Any investigator worth their salt, however, won't assume that just because you came into possession of them means you're the thief. There are going to be a lot of factors involved, like how the mixer works, could they have access to the mixer's logs, etc. Worst case scenario, probably, is you get tracked down and questioned.

For as long as you're not doing anything shady with mixers, you shouldn't have anything to fear in the least.

Hello!!
What is a bitcoin mixer ?
What's taht thing? Never heard about that !  :-\ :-\

Simple answer, Bitcoin mixer will make your transaction more anonymous and it will hard to track. Example is Chipmixer (https://chipmixer.com).

Nothing i cannot recieve bitcoin stolen mixer because as of now i had no experience that i recieve a token.

Thank you! I'll check this out.
Then I understand more the topic of this thread!!
I guess it's really difficult to say : THIS bitcoin was stolen.

once because the BTC can be divided 0.000000000x
second because you can't tag a bitcoin!

The question is.. how do you define 'stolen bitcoins' ?

Bitcoins do only exist as UTXO's assigned to public keys on the blockchain.


Now, imagine the following case:
Eve does steal 1 BTC from Alice's address (A). She creates a transaction sending the whole bitcoin to her address (E) (ignoring fees).
She is obviously in posession of the 'stolen bitcoin'.

                 
(A) 1BTC     --->     (E) 1BTC



Now Eve already has 2 BTC on another address (E2). She decides to send her whole 3 BTC to 3 people: Bob (B), Carol (C) and Dave (D).
On a technical level this means that 2 inputs (2+1 btc) create 3 outputs (1+1+1 btc).

                       (B) 1BTC
(E) 1BTC   --->     (C) 1BTC
(E) 2BTC   --->     (D) 1BTC



Who does now own the 'stolen bitcoin' ? Bob, Carol or Dave ?
-> You simply can't say. Because inputs are 'destroyed' and new outputs are 'created'. You can't derive the 'origin' from an UTXO.


Now imagine Bob, Carol and Dave are all going to spend their BTC into two further outputs (0.5 BTC each). It is completely impossible to tell which 2 of these 6 outputs 'are made of stolen BTC'.
The more transactions there are, the more confusing it will get when trying to identify the 'origin'. And that is basically what a mixer does.

Look at Chipmixer FAQ (https://chipmixer.com/faq) for example. Once you have deposited you get a 'chip' which you can merge or split into bigger/smaller chips.
Each chip does represent a private key with a balance of a multiple of 0.001. After you have done as much splitting/merging as you wish, you can withdraw your balance.

Interest Ask.
In fact, bitcoin coins do not have an identifier (number) as on the US dollar.

Therefore, I believe that it is impossible to trace the stolen bitcoins to you

I think it can happen to anyone using bitcoin, and we have to be careful using bitcoin so we can not mix coin stolen coin.

As we all know, mixing service was created to clean our coins so if there will be audits to our portfolio we are safe from any legalities. If your coin is being mixed then that is already an assurance that when you receive it back it's already clean. There's no way that you can receive any stolen coins from a mixing service unless this mixing service is really doing some tricks on you. Don't be paranoid about if for they are made to clean your coins.

If I can received a stolen bitcoin I don't accept it because it is not mind. I feel too much pity of the owner of that Bitcoin.

The role of bitcoin mixer is also to make bitcoin transactions anonymous. Besides, how can anyone identify a stolen bitcoin? If some has 10 bitcoins in his wallet, out of which 2 are stolen bitcoins and he decides to send you 1 bitcoin, how do you know whether the 1 bitcoin sent to you is a stolen bitcoin?

I do not think there is any technology that can steal Bitcoin? Unless it is an internet device that is infected with a virus. How else can you lose information?

I still can not understand your explanation, what is the purpose of cleaning the coin? does that mean bitcoin mixer can only track every bitcoin transaction, but can not return bitcoin to its owner?

please explain again to me!

It is happening all the time, but i think that mixers do not work by that way. That is why i am always trying to avoid using them. anyway, bitcoin is a bunch of numbers, they are not being "touched" by anyone.

I do not receive from it. I think there is no way to stole bitcoin but mostly stolen bitcoin comes from someone account who carelessly manage by owner. I am bring careful in accessing site that probably the way to rob you. I do not used bitcoin mixer because i t is much better to earn from hardwork than to steal because accounts cannot be secured at all.

That really is not possible !!!
Bitcoin is used by Blockchain technology
Blockchain is known to be the safest in the world, and they use blocks that are linked together. It is used extensively in the financial sector. It opens a new window to the financial market.

Possibly. I suggest sticking with the trusted ones such as bitcoin fog (tor-based) and cryptomixer.us ... stay safe, watch out for fakes

Actually you can with cyber security firms  such as CipherTrace who can trace all of bitcoins. Stolen anything is a risky maneuver

wow i just know about bitcoin mixer right now, because i think that bitcoin is hard to tracked, as you know it just give the address, not the owner information. so i think it save for the owner to receive any bitcoin in the world

cryptomixer.us is a scam site. Don't send them any money.

It is more worrying when you are not mixing your bitcoins and some.of it that you are receiving coming from a stolen wallet. So, the mixers might be a good idea to use in order to get your bitcoins clean from possible accussations of having a stolen bitcoin in your wallet. As what other users mention that even if they use bitcoin mixers to track the stolen bitcoin, it mat be hard since bitcoin mixers are not compatible and has its own way to mix bitcoins.

The users are using bitcoin mixer to clean their bitcoin from all transactions and get freshen up so that no one can track from where the bitcoins came and where it went. That is the main reason of using bitcoin mixer. So i think their is no chance of knowing whether you got stolen bitcoin or clean bitcoin is not able to be noted as it will be mixed from all address and then you get fresh transaction.

As far as I know, most of the mixers take in dirty coins and give out clean coins. When I mean "clean coins", most often they are freshly mined coins, or coming from 100% verifiable sources.

I doubt there is any mixer that actually uses freshly mined coins for the service
if there is, that will be the best main attraction to get people use that mixer
also that mixer would need to have a big mining farm to supply its daily mixing needs
or at least has a good cooperation with big mining pool to have a steady flow of fresh coins

no mixer provides freshly mined coins. that wouldn't be viable since people buy freshly mined coins at a premium.

a good mixer will exchange your tainted coins for a mixture of other peoples tainted coins. this breaks the chain between you and the original outputs. some crappy mixers just move your own coins through another address and send the same tainted coins right back to you.

Although I have not used any bitcoin mixer but its using for hide identity of receiver. If someone know your bitcoin address he can trace you from where you are getting bitcoin and many things can be discovered. So bitcoin mixer will mix your bitcoin and will send to your address. So no one can trace your identity from where coming bitcoin to your address. Or if you want to send bitcoin to someone but you want to hide your identity then bitcoin mixer will help you by mixing your coin. So receiver will not able to understand this bitcoin came from your address. So eventually we can day, there is not possible to trace which is stolen btc. That's why its call bitcoin mixer.

As far as I know, that's what supposedly mixing is, giving you a fresh mined and clean bitcoins. If not, then it defeats the purpose of using a bitcoin tumbler, imho.

no it doesn't. the purpose of a mixer is right in the name: they mix your coins together with other peoples. it's impossible to eliminate taint in bitcoin due to its design. the only thing you can do is exchange your taint for other peoples taint.

if you want freshly mined coins, you need to source them from miners.

How about talking about the service mentioned in your signature compaign. How does the company mix the coins and is the coins 100% clean?
How could we say that Mixers are ''safe" ? maybe someone who's smart enought could "by luck'' findout that your coins are hacked or stolen, will a person go to jail because of a mixer?

Its a big no.Bitcoin mixers are systematic and managed by computers which is design for its purpose.You cant receive or steal bitcoins from mixing company unless there will be a system failure

The best mixer in my opinion are exchanges. Once your BTC deposits get transferred to the cold storage addresses, you can withdraw them which technically would come from the exchange's addresses. So, it's not your problem if there was stolen BTC in there.

I think you cant.For sure bitcoin mixers are systematic system managed by AI's or programmed.Even though there will be a malfunction on the system the system will automatically reboot and stop process which means you cant really receive or stole bitcoins from mixers even theres an error