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Title: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tasty Champa on August 26, 2011, 06:13:54 PM
MUAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA SELL SELL SELL!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tasty Champa on August 26, 2011, 06:19:03 PM
FYI don't ever talk shit about the um... hmmm... .  ;D


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Xenland on August 28, 2011, 04:02:46 AM
I see why you got banned......


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tasty Champa on August 28, 2011, 06:54:03 AM
I see why you got banned......

I doubt you will see this but,
have you notice how good the forums have been since I pushed them to clean up streets? XD
Sure I got bizzandered in the process but the needs of the Tasty, outweigh the needs of, every other MFKer here.  ;D

Real talk.
An outnumbering amount of people don't recognize the patterns in the full spectrum nature of humanity,
so just to make sure you and anyone else who reads this see it. I will explain this part in black and white.
The only reason cops are around is because of criminals,
and the only reason criminals get better at what they do,
is because of cops, thus also creating better cops.

It's always the meek who pay for this.


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Xenland on August 28, 2011, 07:10:30 AM
and the only reason why their are around criminals is becuase nobody can figure out(or agree on) what is a morally correct way to live their life.


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Starlightbreaker on August 28, 2011, 07:39:03 AM
why did you change your username?
 :(


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tasty Champa on August 28, 2011, 08:06:50 AM
and the only reason why their are around criminals is becuase nobody can figure out(or agree on) what is a morally correct way to live their life.

We are all what we have learned, so I subscribe to the notion of letting others figure it out on their own accord at a personal level. Unless it interferes with me, at a personal level.


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Xenland on August 28, 2011, 10:37:22 AM
So you would agree that everyone has enough self control to run an anarchist society?


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tasty Champa on August 28, 2011, 10:40:19 AM
So you would agree that everyone has enough self control to run an anarchist society?

Define everyone.  ;D


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Xenland on August 28, 2011, 10:52:27 AM
Everyone = the whole of all sets


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Puzzles on August 28, 2011, 02:00:22 PM
So you would agree that everyone has enough self control to run an anarchist society?

Actually, there was an entire community that lived in a socialist anarchy-like environment a hundred-or-so years ago. Meaning everyone put an equal part toward living with no law and no order.

I read a book on it, written by a guy named Giovanni Baldelli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Baldelli) who wrote the book Social Anarchism, a very good read. Perhaps it would interest you.


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: indio007 on August 28, 2011, 02:11:09 PM
Everyone = the whole of all sets

The set of all sets = 1


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Jack of Diamonds on August 28, 2011, 02:18:23 PM
So you would agree that everyone has enough self control to run an anarchist society?

Actually, there was an entire community that lived in a socialist anarchy-like environment a hundred-or-so years ago. Meaning everyone put an equal part toward living with no law and no order.

I read a book on it, written by a guy named Giovanni Baldelli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Baldelli) who wrote the book Social Anarchism, a very good read. Perhaps it would interest you.

How does this community defend against a gang of outside looters/pillagers which is heavily armed and trained to kill?


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Puzzles on August 28, 2011, 02:20:49 PM
So you would agree that everyone has enough self control to run an anarchist society?

Actually, there was an entire community that lived in a socialist anarchy-like environment a hundred-or-so years ago. Meaning everyone put an equal part toward living with no law and no order.

I read a book on it, written by a guy named Giovanni Baldelli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Baldelli) who wrote the book Social Anarchism, a very good read. Perhaps it would interest you.

How does this community defend against a gang of outside looters/pillagers which is heavily armed and trained to kill?

Well, you see, that's why the community is no more. With the way humans are, a true non-violent anarchistic society is but a utopia, just a dream.


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Jack of Diamonds on August 28, 2011, 04:33:02 PM
Since non-violent anarchy is not possible among humans you could say 'anarchy' as a concept is impossible.
Humans (as a wider group) can't live without social cohesion, hierarchy and power structures.

If those are lacking, the void will be overtaken instantly by the most ruthless group of people.
Somalia is a living example of a government void filled with gunmen and warlords.


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tasty Champa on August 28, 2011, 07:47:01 PM
Everyone = the whole of all sets

In that case no.

Anarchism is on par with the idea of perfection, can never achieved but is sought continually.


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Puzzles on August 28, 2011, 09:12:54 PM
Since non-violent anarchy is not possible among humans you could say 'anarchy' as a concept is impossible.
Humans (as a wider group) can't live without social cohesion, hierarchy and power structures.

If those are lacking, the void will be overtaken instantly by the most ruthless group of people.
Somalia is a living example of a government void filled with gunmen and warlords.

That's why we should gather up all the intelligent people by screening all the people in the world, and then we find a chain of uninhabited islands and set up camp. :D


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Xenland on August 28, 2011, 10:43:53 PM
I think puzzeles solved the mystery! :D :P
That does sound like a grand idea tho.....


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tasty Champa on August 29, 2011, 12:08:02 AM
You guys can build your own thrones by mine if you want to be kings too. :)


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Gerken on August 29, 2011, 12:53:07 AM
Since non-violent anarchy is not possible among humans you could say 'anarchy' as a concept is impossible.
Humans (as a wider group) can't live without social cohesion, hierarchy and power structures.

If those are lacking, the void will be overtaken instantly by the most ruthless group of people.
Somalia is a living example of a government void filled with gunmen and warlords.

That's why we should gather up all the intelligent people by screening all the people in the world, and then we find a chain of uninhabited islands and set up camp. :D

So you think this a characteristic only present in unintelligent humans?  Furthermore, what are your qualifications for intelligent?  Education level, IQ tests, personal wealth?


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Puzzles on August 29, 2011, 02:30:01 AM
Since non-violent anarchy is not possible among humans you could say 'anarchy' as a concept is impossible.
Humans (as a wider group) can't live without social cohesion, hierarchy and power structures.

If those are lacking, the void will be overtaken instantly by the most ruthless group of people.
Somalia is a living example of a government void filled with gunmen and warlords.

That's why we should gather up all the intelligent people by screening all the people in the world, and then we find a chain of uninhabited islands and set up camp. :D

So you think this a characteristic only present in unintelligent humans?  Furthermore, what are your qualifications for intelligent?  Education level, IQ tests, personal wealth?

Obviously, intelligence can come in many forms. That's why we would elect two or three of the wisest/smartest/and most philosophical people to screen the others. Problem solved. :D


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: silverchair on August 29, 2011, 06:22:50 AM
Cool, i now know why you got banned  :D


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tasty Champa on August 29, 2011, 07:34:40 AM
Cool, i now know why you got banned  :D

yeh, I'm not an anarchist.
XD

political ideologies don't concern me much.


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: d'aniel on August 30, 2011, 05:12:54 AM
Everyone = the whole of all sets

The set of all sets = 1
The set of all sets = 1/0


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 1905 on August 30, 2011, 06:50:27 AM

That's why we should gather up all the intelligent people by screening all the people in the world, and then we find a chain of uninhabited islands and set up camp. :D
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greenland? i heard summer is coming soon there :D


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Xenland on August 30, 2011, 07:40:12 AM
Everyone = the whole of all sets

The set of all sets = 1
The set of all sets = 1/0
is that a one divded by zero or its just 1/0?


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: d'aniel on August 30, 2011, 08:25:18 AM
Everyone = the whole of all sets

The set of all sets = 1
The set of all sets = 1/0
is that a one divded by zero or its just 1/0?
It's a one divided by zero.  Get it?  If not, ask Russell.


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Xenland on August 30, 2011, 08:41:10 AM
So your claiming that 1/0 dosen't = undefined
You have came up with the conclusion that The set of all sets equal 1/0?
How so?
I mean if you have nothing... how do you divide the set?
Unless both 1 and 0 mean the same thing in this context....


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: d'aniel on August 30, 2011, 10:20:29 AM
Well, I guess you're not going to work from my hint :(

So your claiming that 1/0 dosen't = undefined
No, I was saying exactly that 1/0 = undefined.  I was being cute.

Trying to define a "set of all sets" leads to a paradox, since it must contain its own power set, whose cardinality is strictly greater than its own.  So to avoid being able to define such paradoxical sets in set theory, you need this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zermelo%E2%80%93Fraenkel_set_theory#3._Axiom_schema_of_specification_.28also_called_the_axiom_schema_of_separation_or_of_restricted_comprehension.29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zermelo%E2%80%93Fraenkel_set_theory#3._Axiom_schema_of_specification_.28also_called_the_axiom_schema_of_separation_or_of_restricted_comprehension.29)

Notice from the link what the "ask Russell" hint meant now?


Title: Re: I JUST GOT UNBANNED!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Xenland on August 30, 2011, 11:32:49 AM
Well, I guess you're not going to work from my hint :(

So your claiming that 1/0 dosen't = undefined
No, I was saying exactly that 1/0 = undefined.  I was being cute.

Trying to define a "set of all sets" leads to a paradox, since it must contain its own power set, whose cardinality is strictly greater than its own.  So to avoid being able to define such paradoxical sets in set theory, you need this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zermelo%E2%80%93Fraenkel_set_theory#3._Axiom_schema_of_specification_.28also_called_the_axiom_schema_of_separation_or_of_restricted_comprehension.29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zermelo%E2%80%93Fraenkel_set_theory#3._Axiom_schema_of_specification_.28also_called_the_axiom_schema_of_separation_or_of_restricted_comprehension.29)

Notice from the link what the "ask Russell" hint meant now?
Yeah i've read the before..... but i didn't understand it until we had this whole 1 divided by zero conversation... that just blew my mind