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Andrew - I noticed you only had the 2 BTC rule in effect for like 30 minutes... what happened?

i lost like 75% of my hands =\

Andrew - I have pending withdrawal (it mentioned it would be processed in 24 hours) - haven't received it yet... Can you take a look? I've never had this problem in the past....

thanks

Yes Andrew, this was - thanks

Wow congrats on a successful business.  I'll have to try some blackjack.

Any advice for a place where to learn how to play this game, please?  The rules at the website aren't enough for me to get the mecanisim of the game.

Welp, so much for that.  I put in 2 BTC and was up and down all night until I hit a severe losing streak that bankrupted me.  Mostly due to the rule that if I bust I automatically lose even if the dealer would have busted as well.

But it was still fun while it lasted.  Thanks for the enjoyment.

I've had a lot of fun with BitJack21 today, thanks. It's a shame i'm out of chips. =/

Guess i'll have to wait till next week to play. ._.

Put in one more Bitcoin, nearly lost it all again, went all-in, had amazing luck, won it all back, currently breaking even.  Probably about the best one can expect for a gambling game.  I'm happy at least.

DoubleIcaras

I love you. :')

1.55 bitcoins became 13.1 20 bitcoins - great site! :D
Would like a higher max bet though :)

i lost 2 btc..... i cant work out how the dealer gets 2x 10 value cards everyhand for me...
Spose it was tight that night....

like he said. house is out of cash... spose its tight now and ill be the one topping the house back up.

EDIT:

made 1btc today.... it seems to be legit just has loose and tight cycles?

very addicting, I went all in with my last bit and the dealer got blackjack :(

oh well, maybe next time :)

Just as a quick note: I believe the cards are dealt according to a fairly random distribution, and most definitely not based on a single deck, based on the fact that I've seen the Ace of Hearts twice in the same hand.  I do not know how many decks are used for the randomization, but it's more than one.

Thanks Andrew for your previous gift of a few chips (at the time of my last post in this thread), as it helped me stay in the game long enough to reclaim my losses to a small degree.

...okay, when did the minimum bet become 4 chips?  That certainly wasn't the case when I last played the game.

"The 'house edge' with this ruleset is razor thin, less than 0.5%, have fun!"
So, theoretically, i should be able to profit from this? :p

Its always the same :/

I have added a Payout History for the biggest Payouts.

wow... Slowest blackjack site on the internet since the sale..unusable.

Added to my newbie list, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75883.

Love the site, always a fun and fair game!


Not sure if it's possible, but a few things I'd really like to see...

Any chance you'd ever consider adding multi-player table tournaments? Say 6 people on a table, possibly multiple tables and rounds if there are enough players!?

I'd love to see a surrender option... Any chance of seeing that option? (I can hope)

House rules where the dealer hits a soft 17? I play at my local casino almost every night and it's weird seeing the dealer staying on a soft 17! Not sure I've ever seen this at any other casino...

Also, how about being able to choose multi-denom table options? I think I remember reading somewhere that you need to keep a 1:32 or so ratio (2-50, 3-75, 4-100, etc) but would you be able to offer the player the option to "sit at" a higher (or lower) stakes table?

A referral program would be really cool too! I've sent a number of people from sealswithclubs (BTC Poker Site) to bitjack21. Either a payout per player, or small portion of their losses would be cool!


Anyways, thanks for the kickass site and all your help/support! I'm fairly new but I can tell you're a standup guy as you've always gotten back to me with help right away!

OMG, I've played a lot of blackjack in my life but wow... never realized how unlucky I could be!

Doubles, slits, you name it I lost them ALL the last few times I played  :-\ enjoy the 15-20BTC or so, don't think I can afford to keep this up anymore for right now!

BTW, any idea why the site has been so slow the last week or so? Maybe it's just me, but switching to Chrome sped things up a while back but the past few days it has been almost unplayable and I've had to refresh constantly?!

Thanks Andrew!

...and that's the reason I keep coming back ;) Unlike any of the other sites out there, I know I can always count on you!

Luckily for me, most of the BTC I lost I won by pure luck over at satoshidice so I'm not out too much personally. I'm just wishing I had bet more when I started playing at bitjack! There were days I had won 50 hands in a row but I was betting small, just my luck to catch a bad run at .5 - 1BTC a hand lol!

I have to agree, its a great blackjack implementation. I love the hashing system used as well.
Its been awhile since Ive played but Ive found it very similar to my few casino outings, few small wins then the house floors me :P

Backyard games are way more fun ;) but when you need a quickie bitjack21 is one of my favourites.

EDIT:  nevermind I'm an idiot

Great site! The game itself works better than I expected.
However, the minimum bet appears to be .02 BTC and is misrepresented multiple times around the website :P

EDIT: Aww, no 5-card charlie :(

Something I'm wondering about -

I understand that the client seed/server seed/SHA256 hash and all that text is somehow there to prove that the game was dealt fairly, but I can't seems to figure out how those characters actually relate to the cards that are dealt. Would someone be kind enough to walk through the process? I did find a SHA256 calculator here: http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator

excellent question, Im surprised no one thought of it earlier.

I found this (https://bitjack21.com/cryptoproof (https://bitjack21.com/cryptoproof)) explanation on the website. Haven't done it personally, though.

Heh, maybe I should play drunk more often.  I deviated from the standard "perfect Blackjack guide" somewhat randomly and managed to recoup the losses I made the last time I played. 

Thanks again dude for making this game.  It's a great way to pass the time.

Hey, just making sure you're still here.  Made a withdrawl request right around the time of my last post (almost 72 hours ago) and have not seen anything on my client or BlockExplorer for the address I requested payment to (confirmed by the email notification to be correct, so it's not like I drunkenly sent them to my deposit address by mistake).  I'm not too worried, but it has elapsed the quoted 24 hour time window almost thrice over by now.

EDIT:  Heh, well that was fast turnaround.  Funds received, thanks.

So... I had a few coins in my bitjack21 account... and they appear to have disappeared.   I noticed a notice on the website that says there was an issue "syncing" some accounts after an upgrade.

I emailed the support account yesterday, and sent andrew a PM on here today, but havn't heard anything back.

Anyone know a better way to get ahold of Andrew?

For future reference is it best practice to make backups before disasters happen, not try to get them after the fact.  It seems the Bitcoin community keeps making this mistake over and over again.  I wonder why we can't learn from each other's mistakes.

Whenever you're responsible for a wallet, make backups.  Whether it's your coins or other people's.  That's all...

Why did they do it?  ???

A withdrawal of 4.01 BTC is now queued for manual processing and will be sent within 24 hours to address ........

This message was sent to me yesterday at noon, 24 hour window has come and gone.  Not worried yet, just thought I would bring your attention to it.

EDIT: Just received the coinage.  THANKS ANDREW!!!

EDIT AGAIN:  Another 2 days have passed since last withdrawl attempt... I really hope you can get this resolved.  Payout amount currently overdue > 33BTC.  Screenshots of payout screen and copies of emails confirming withdrawl to follow.

More importantly, how do your odds compare with those at https://bitzino.com/ ?

Are you able to compete with their quite attractive set of rules?

Any way to get the message you see when attempting to cash out changed? It says that it will be processed within 24 hours, but none of my withdrawl attempts have been processed within that timeframe. 

PM'ing you to get the payout issue resolved.

Another day gone by, still no replies or btc.  This is starting to get frustrating.

I am going to give you another 24 hours to make this situation right, otherwise I will be blasting this lack of payment all over the forum.  Not out of anger, but to protect the community.  Three days is more than enough time to get a withdrawl handled.  If it isn't, you should put that in the withdrawl message!!! Total withdrawl amount is well over BTC133 !!!

I too have had my share of slow payouts from this site. They did ultimately pay out everything properly though and I was never cheated. I moved my blackjack action to https://www.bc-casino.com/, even though their rules are slightly more favorable to the house and I hate the "dealer doesn't peek for blackjack" rule. They are excellent for speed of cashout, though.

Bitzino is also nice and pays out quickly even if their interface is sort of plain and unexciting.

I got the sense that bitjack21 is just an afterthought and the operator is sort of half assed in his management of it. After several withdrawal delays, I just quit playing there. The best thing I can say about the site is that the server is so slow that it really saves you a lot of money when you're running bad. bc-casino is so fast that you can have some giant swings in a short amount of time.

I've also woken up to find "free money" in my account a few times after a particularly bad run at bc-casino. They didn't want me to get away, I guess.  8)

In any event, I hope you get your money back. You probably will...once Andrew gets around to it.

Well for a withdrawl of this size, I sure hope it gets handled.  I would hate for a site to get blacklisted and get scammer tagged all over his forum account...

Do you know of anywhere that lists all the places you can play blackjack for bitcoin along with all the rules of each site, calculated house edge, and min and max bet sizes?  That would be useful to see.

Maybe you could bribe mem to do it, I tried bitjack based on his recommendation... Hopefully the house edge isn't 100% there based on non-payment of withdrawls.... I will edit this post once payment is made btw.

Can you put my payment through? Or do I need to send you copies of my emails from your server?

Sat 8/25/2012 12:51 AM
Hello,

This is a notice that you have a pending BTC withdrawal from https://www.bitjack21.com for bruwe.

A withdrawal of 1.51 BTC is now queued for manual processing and will be sent within 24 hours to address 1NFWumJ3ioyUVuxdmxSpd9uGqKxGbgn9dd

Thanks for playing!

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bitjack21.com

Sat 8/25/2012 7:17 PM
Hello,

This is a notice that you have a pending BTC withdrawal from https://www.bitjack21.com for bruwe.

A withdrawal of 1.8 BTC is now queued for manual processing and will be sent within 24 hours to address 1NFWumJ3ioyUVuxdmxSpd9uGqKxGbgn9dd

Thanks for playing!

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bitjack21.com

Sun 8/26/2012 3:17 AM
Hello,

This is a notice that you have a pending BTC withdrawal from https://www.bitjack21.com for bruwe.

A withdrawal of 2 BTC is now queued for manual processing and will be sent within 24 hours to address 1NFWumJ3ioyUVuxdmxSpd9uGqKxGbgn9dd

Thanks for playing!

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bitjack21.com

Sun 8/26/2012 11:21 AM
Hello,

This is a notice that you have a pending BTC withdrawal from https://www.bitjack21.com for bruwe.

A withdrawal of 28 BTC is now queued for manual processing and will be sent within 24 hours to address 1NFWumJ3ioyUVuxdmxSpd9uGqKxGbgn9dd

Thanks for playing!

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bitjack21.com

Sun 8/26/2012 4:45 PM
Hello,

This is a notice that you have a pending BTC withdrawal from https://www.bitjack21.com for bruwe.

A withdrawal of 100 BTC is now queued for manual processing and will be sent within 24 hours to address 1NFWumJ3ioyUVuxdmxSpd9uGqKxGbgn9dd

Thanks for playing!

--
bitjack21.com



THESE ARE ALL STILL UNPAID!!!

Just over an hour left. Your move Andrew.

Hi Andrew,

Getting some users PM me regarding slow / no payouts.
What is the current status of these.

Thanks.

I'm also awaiting a withdrawal Granted a 0.29BTC but has been over 36 hours now. Username = Scragmeat

Good luck dude. Tell ya what, if I get paid and you don't I'll donate you the BTC.29

 >:( At what point do I start screaming scammer? I am trying really hard not to jump to conclusions. 

I know I know it's trivial amount especially compared to yours considering. I'm just shiming in that you not the only one that waiting. I cashed out 3x what I deposited that day I have a feeling he ran out of funds.

Have you emailed your problems to bitjack21@gmail.com? When I had issues with a slow payout I was able to resolve them via email at that address. Granted, it took him a couple days to check the address, but he eventually made good on his debt once we emailed back and forth a couple times.

It's alarming that this is still dragging on. I thought for sure you'd come to a resolution by now. If you don't get it settled soon, I'd suggest you initiate scammer proceedings to get him tagged. He is actively looking for loans for some projects, so he does have some incentive to appear respectable to others.

Well I don't know why he didn't e-mail me what he was doing but "he"(assuming) just credited my bitjack account for the 0.29BTC witch was assuming his withdrawal fee applied already but what ever I played a few more hands and got my fee and next withdrawal fee back. I never would have logged in again to the site since I wasn't going to play/deposit there again if I can't count on getting my money back.

At least he made good on my withdrawal I might or might not be playing here again at least my luck here is better than bitZino the sheer number of 13,15and 16's I've gotten there is statistically impossable.

We'll see/root for you DOH! let us know if you get your coins. It'll probably be the deciding factor if I play here again.

Well I only notice the coins in the account last night withdrew them same day (after a few hands) got a confirmation this time about the withdrawl but as of this writing still no coins in my wallet.

Well, he was active on the forum a little over 2 hours ago, so avoid replying to you seems a bit odd.

On the off chance that 'The House' had a run of bad luck, he may need to acquire more BTC to payout bets, or is perhaps waiting for new deposits. Unfortunately, this news in regards to payouts won't have the desired affect to build the house bankroll back up if you are not treated fairly.

Best of luck.

PS. Words of advise from a fellow 'hot-head' ;) ...... give him a bit of time, as I said, he could be short of coins or busy at the moment.

Bitjack21.com is offline.  Has it been offline for a while?

It's still online. Try it without the www.

LMAO...

You are preaching to the Choir, my friend. I have been on a similar crusade for 2 weeks now ;)

It was down, but now it is back.  It may have only been down for a few mins or it may have been something with my connection.  All other sites were working and when it was down it was down with and without the www.

There's a very interesting and informative post here:
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87656.msg1145478#msg1145478
about how a gambling site can make sure that they have an almost zero chance of ever running out of coins to pay winners out with.

Well it's been 24rhs since the "confirmation" e-mail still no payment. *double checks* again not in my wallet and not in bitjack21 account either. I'd say this is a lost cause.

SURPRISE!! I decided to log on to the site today and make another withdrawl, I was able to get 3 out before the dreaded "pending transaction" screen started rearing its ugly head.  The scam accusation still stands until all pending withdrawls are paid out, however.

Grow your bankroll then.  I have already waited a week and a half!!!! You owe me over 133btc, not to mention today's withdrawls! Get your shit together man!

This!

Don't accept bets you can't afford to lose.  If you don't have the bankroll to offer blackjack at the stakes you offer, reduce the maximum bet to a level you can afford.  It's not right to gamble with money you don't have.

Yay! I saw this thread and decided to play a bit :)

Put in 3 BTC

Now requested 13 BTC withdrawl!!!

=D

Good for the house that the maximum bet is 1 BTC, otherwise I would get more BTC :P (I usually stop after I win some maximum bets where I am betting 10% of my bankroll... So if the maximum bet was 10 BTC I would take out about 110 or 120 BTC :P)

I don't know if you were replying to me or not.  I don't mean to be rude, but stand by what I wrote.

I guess you meant libelling him (slander is spoken, not written), and libel involves making false statements.  It's not libellous to say "this casino is too slow to pay its debts" if that is indeed the case.

Andrew has been starting to pay out! Confidence somewhat restored!

Andrew only had a bad run...

But he still have the house edge.

If you play blackjack for many years, probably you will end losing more than winning, even if you have perfect strategy for each particular rule you know.

The key here is slow to pay. He is paying out. You just have to be really really patient at the moment, it appears that he ran the bankroll ship into a giant rock, but he's rebuilding.  Oh well, hope he learned a lesson and we can all move on.

Really? Cause even with my paltry amount I haven't seen jack.

Where would you like the .29 sent? Like I said before, if I get paid and you don't, I'll personally pay out the .29 to you.

Well I wouldn't go giving out all your coins yet. After all you haven't gotten them all of your due amount have you?
Honestly I wasn't going to hold you to that but if your giving away your coins who am I to stop you? 1PN4ePKnoE7xfXCiQ2vYiCaBdgxmQV9kJH

I expect he's paying out in the same order the withdrawals were requested.  If DOH! requested his hundreds of won coins before you requested your .29, you'll be waiting until DOH!'s request is filled.  Just guessing.

Andrew isn't paying out anything at all.... It's getting paid from the site, I still have 340 btc in balance there.

Those two quote seem to contradict each other?

Are you saying that Andrew isn't paying out, but his site is?

Or are you saying that he's paying out previous winners using deposits from new players, ponzi style?

His site is paying.... Can't be sure but it seems to be ponzi style.  What makes me wonder is that when speeder said he deposited 3 btc and tried unsuccessfully to withdraw 13, I was able to withdraw 3 btc successfully.  Hmmmmm...... I kind of feel bad about withdrawing those coins, but the beast of burden is on the site operator, not the depositor. Seeing how my 133btc worth of withdrawls are still unpaid and how I still have over 300btc worth of winnings stuck in my account there, I don't care where it comes from as long as it gets paid.  Does that make me a bad person? 

I think blackjack against bitcoiners is bad idea, lots of bitcoiners have at least some basic understand of cryptography, this means some very good understanding of math, and blackjack is basically a game of math...

Why do you play then? The math works out to be NOT in the gambler's favor. Funny thing, he is mocking me by blasting "Players have had winning streaks with over 300 BTC of winnings" right on the front page, but he won't pay out a damn satoshi out of his own pocket.  Oh well, keep those deposits up people! I can't make any withdrawls unless you deposit! LOL.

Alright Andrew...

First you explain how you managed to lose that much money with blackjack...

Then you tell me how I get my 13.14 BTC, since I tried to withdraw and the balance is gone...

Seriously...

If you refuse to pay the winnings, then at least return my initial deposit (3 BTC), because I have more uses for that money (and it is not gambling, specially in a operator that now declared to have no intention to pay)

Hey guy, you're beating a dead horse.

If feels good while it is not stinking...




Now without kidding, I want at least my 3 BTC back :(

Get in line dude, he owes me 133btc, plus my account has over 300btc in it... seriously... you got all herpderpy about YAY! I WON 13btc!! after reading pages of the thread stating that big ol' withdrawls were not getting paid.

Coins Sent! Just for fun, and because I keep my word.

Now you have seen .29! Transaction 62dc493ebfacb42396090f4e1bacfbc12b329f407fa0fda8f1a359c9d1abd415

Now I am feeling very dumb :(

Holy spit you are too awesome! May the blackjack daemons be kinder to you than they were me. :) I take it that means you actually got your coins then?

I only put in .2btc, have successfully withdrawn over 10 btc so far, with 300 left in my account.  Right now it feels like shaking the free money tree every once in awhile, sometimes a btc or two falls out... Sometimes nothing. 

Am I the only one who sees the GLARING error in logic here???  I'll bold it for you, just in case.  Andrew Bitcoiner, you fucked up, admit it. 

Protip: Test your site before you bring it online, especially if it deals with other people's money.

Out of interest, what was the bug?

Was it the case that the house edge was negative all along, and all you needed to do was play basic strategy to win?

I suppose you've fixed it now, so you're safe to tell us.  :)

Did you find a bug?  Were you aware that something was wrong on the site while you were winning?  I'm curious to know what happened here.

And yes, that logic seems flawed.  If you won more than the site made in several months when it didn't have the reputation of not being able to pay out, how is it going to recover that loss in a few weeks now that it's known to be out of funds?

Here's the secret (I actually PM'd him with my concern, it is fixed now) you could double down for free unless you busted, and splits were also free.  Since his TOS is 404'ed and he was not responding to e-mails, I just kept on playing.  I am assuming that he is letting me keep my winnings because I actually attempted to tell him about my concerns.  IMO he is not ever going to pay out the withdrawl attempts that fail.  Bottom line is: If you have any balance there, do not attempt to withdraw it until I tell you that my account is exhausted.  Once my 300btc have been withdrawn, it might be safe to attempt a withdrawl a week later. 

I had a hunch you were cheating exploiting a bug. Didn't you say that you deposited something like BTC10 and ran it up to BTC130+? That's a hell of a sick heater if legit.

Back when I still played on the site, the server crashed once and when I rejoined the hand, it displayed the dealer's total (i.e. I knew what the dealer's hole card was). I couldn't tell how to reproduce the error and Andrew had already shown a disinterested attitude when I had emailed him about slow payouts, so I never bothered telling him.

Free double downs and splitting would be even more advantageous than seeing the dealer's hole card, I'd guess. Interesting thought experiment.

Dooglus - would you rather see the dealer's hole card every hand, or be allowed to double down and split for free?

I deposited less than BTC1 and have withdrawn over BTC10, with over BTC300 left in my account.  I have a failed withdrawl attempt for over BTC133 which will never be paid.  I for one would rather see the hole card, but as it turns out double/split for free is a pretty good moneymaker.

http://forum.ngfcommunity.com/smilies/rofl2.gif

...gee, you don't say!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83328.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83328.0)

* flies away *

Very interesting, seems my experience is par for the course.

Yeah, I don't consider myself a cheat for playing by the rules of the house, no matter how skewed in my favor those rules are. 

If I had to decide right now, I'd chose to see the dealer's hole card every hand.  If I had longer, I'd run a simulation and find out which is really better.  It strikes me that knowing the hole card lets me play better strategy, whereas double-down and split are relatively rare in the game.

I wouldn't be surprised if my gut feeling was wrong though.

So, I lost all my 13 BTC when I attempted a withdrawl?

That would be VERY bad... I mean, I lost not only my winnings but also my initial money too... That makes me very upset!

Upon further research, he is referred to as andrew scamcoiner, andrew coinscammer, and an asshole all over this forum.  He runs a shit advertising site that doesn't pay out, and is running a ponzi casino that has zero bankroll and zero ability to pay anyone winnings with the house bankroll..... because there is none.  It's a 'heads you win, tails I lose' sort of a gamble when you play at bitjack21.com

Agreed! +1 Finally I broke even and made some chump change back from the house (without cheating might I add wasn't aware there was a bug) and suddenly soon as I want to pull out while I'm ahead "Sorry guys I'm out of cash."
If this were Vegas the Gaming Commission would have shout you down for that.Yet here he is still taking money in!

Just who the heck is making deposits while we are trying to warn every one that they won't get anything back? :-\

Don't forget the .29 I sent you dude!! And PS, playing by the house's rules is not fucking cheating!!!  It's not like i hacked or typed in a secret code or something, I just played by the site's rules.

As I understand the bug, it affected everyone.  You didn't need to do anything to "exploit" it, except play normally.

It sounds as if the site was programmed not to charge you anything for doubling down or for splitting.

I don't see how the site could have been up so long before anyone noticed this; maybe free doubling and splitting was only introduced recently due to a bad code change.

DOH! I am Gatefull that you gave me my cash back so I don't have to chase him down for my coins. If I do get mine back I'll give it back to you  with a bonous.

What I just don't understand :
A) how come he's still up and running?
B) Why are people actually depositing with him still?
C) He's playing ponzi with deposits. Yet not lableled a scammer yet?

A) what, the internet police is going to shut him down?
B) what, everyone who logs in to his site is on bitcointalk?
C) Out of smartass responses. I have a scam accusation thread open about the matter. mem has updated his gambling list to reflect the lack of payouts.

I am offering up for sale my bitjack21.com account with 260.295btc in it.  I figure it's worth at least 100btc, I only want to do this through an escrow so the balance in the account can be verified by a third party and so the coins can be held until the password is transferred.  Andrew Bitcoiner has already gotten on here and stated that he will not reverse my winnings, so that is not a risk.  Basically you buy the account and have to play the slow-pay game with him, if you do it right you could get over 200 out... I'll explain the best way to do it upon purchase.  I am in need of some immediate btc and would like to cash this out quickly, offers is can be are go to start nowish!

Surprise, surprise... The scammy fuck removed my account.  He saw me constantly trying to withdraw my winnings .1btc at a time, in essence killing off his bankroll indefinitely, so he deleted the account!! Perfect, as I had offers in to buy the account password for 95btc.  Andrew Scamcoiner, you just cost me a thousand bucks.  Go fuck yourself.

These withdrawl attempts are still unpaid, not to mention the fact that you deleted my account!!! FUCK YOU YOU SCAMTASTIC FUCK!