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Economy => Speculation => Topic started by: BitCoinNutJob on January 10, 2014, 07:07:02 AM



Title: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: BitCoinNutJob on January 10, 2014, 07:07:02 AM

https://i.imgur.com/2T75t3u.jpg

what you think this looks so obvious


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: mmitech on January 10, 2014, 07:12:34 AM
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wow this is dangerous


http://www.staunchlibra.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Screen-shot-2013-05-03-at-10.20.13-AM.png

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Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: arepo on January 10, 2014, 07:12:51 AM

https://i.imgur.com/2T75t3u.jpg

what you think this looks so obvious

the second low is higher than the first low and the first high is even with the second high. this is not the shape in your diagram. your diagram has even lows and a higher high.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: romerun on January 10, 2014, 07:15:10 AM
with thtat overstock news how the crap should it go down


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: Edward50 on January 10, 2014, 07:16:02 AM
with thtat overstock news how the crap should it go down

Buy the rumor sell the news. A less I learned recently with NXT coin.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: BitCoinNutJob on January 10, 2014, 07:20:35 AM

https://i.imgur.com/2T75t3u.jpg

what you think this looks so obvious

the second low is higher than the first low and the first high is even with the second high. this is not the shape in your diagram. your diagram has even lows and a higher high.

hmmm yeah maybe, lets see :)


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: notme on January 10, 2014, 07:51:38 AM
I see the right shoulder forming.... For an inverse head and shoulders pattern. :P

It's sloppy, but neckline 950ish, head at 875, shoulder bottoms 900, target 1000-1050.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: zby on January 10, 2014, 08:10:45 AM
Imagining too much - smells desperation.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: F-bernanke on January 10, 2014, 08:11:44 AM
So.. you sold?  :D


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: Wilhelm on January 10, 2014, 08:16:19 AM
Don't you need volume for that to happen? I don't see any volume in the chart.

... another member talking his book .... :D


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: piramida on January 10, 2014, 10:20:23 AM
define "few"? few thousand?


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: raskul on January 10, 2014, 10:50:14 AM
 :o

i've been trading indices for a long time since before BTC came about and I have to say, what a crock of shit... you can't seriously be saying that stock exchanges show patterns? I hope you dumped all your BTC, just to teach you a lesson. sorry to be so harsh, but perhaps gamblers anonymous can help put you straight?

HODL.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: segeln on January 10, 2014, 02:41:38 PM
It`s not going down. It`s a lateral-movement since 1/8/2014


https://www.tradingview.com/x/6ef1ClLD/


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: MatTheCat on January 10, 2014, 02:54:24 PM
So.. you sold?  :D

Ages ago, at $880.

Buying back in in the $600 range.

See you there.

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/8157/w10r.png


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: T.Stuart on January 10, 2014, 02:58:41 PM
So.. you sold?  :D

Ages ago, at $880.

Buying back in in the $600 range.

See you there.

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/8157/w10r.png

Ha!  :D

WTF? You've become a follower of Karhu! What's going on MatTheCat?! Are you the real Karhu??!! lol! :D


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: raskul on January 10, 2014, 03:04:01 PM
sold at $880!?

i bet you feel like a right plonker.  :o


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: Kungfucheez on January 10, 2014, 03:07:52 PM
Maybe cause everyone is taking btcs off the market and selling them  ::)

Maybe not, but who knows


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: raskul on January 10, 2014, 03:12:09 PM
Maybe cause everyone is taking btcs off the market and selling them  ::)

Maybe not, but who knows

without some seriously BAD news occurring in the world regarding BTC, it's not going to drop that much.
there is no volume sell possible that would reduce the value from 900 to 600... and even if that were to happen, the 20minute clock would tick and it would simply ramp up again... what i'm seeing is as close to a stable as we have had ^600. it may dip to 800, but not further, like I say, without some seriously negative political press.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: MatTheCat on January 10, 2014, 03:25:52 PM
sold at $880!?

i bet you feel like a right plonker.  :o

It was a stupid sell, had I waited an hour I could have gotten $920-$930, so yeah, I was pissed off.

But Bitcoin is now $820, it went as low as $765 and it is going lower, much lower. So do i feel like a plonker? A bit, but overall not really? Are you a plonker for holdin when you should have sold? Most definitely!


Ha!  :D

WTF? You've become a follower of Karhu! What's going on MatTheCat?! Are you the real Karhu??!! lol! :D

Go to Karhu with a clear mind and an open heart, and Karhu shall show you the way.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: raskul on January 10, 2014, 03:29:39 PM
sold at $880!?

i bet you feel like a right plonker.  :o

It was a stupid sell, had I waited an hour I could have gotten $920-$930, so yeah, I was pissed off.

But Bitcoin is now $820 and it is going lower, much lower. So do i feel like a plonker? A bit, but overall not really? Are you a plonker for holdin when you should have sold? Most definitely!

what you need to consider is the price I trade at... and then consider the shape of a single ramp... currently (still) the tick ramp is going up quicker than it is coming down. In my book, that's a good indicator for me. I make a living out of this stuff. Long live BTC.

http://www.thescribe.eu/img/tick_ramp.jpg


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: MatTheCat on January 10, 2014, 03:36:07 PM
We will see who is placing their bets in the right direction before this weekend is out for sure.

Without drawing lines on charts or anything like that, the increasing reticence of market participants to commit to Bitcoin during this post correction consolidation period indicates to me that the barrels are going to tip down the ways and soon. Most market players are in Bitcoin for profit, and I don't smell any profit in the immediate near term and neither will anyone else. Premiums on LocalBitcoins (UK) are ultra tight also, about 4%. Considering that it costs most British people between 3% - 5% to get money over to Bitstamp, this is tell's me that LocalBitcoin volume is very low and that sellers believe that their coins are going to be worth less tomorrow, not more.

Oh yeah, and if you are trading on Gox (you seem to have Gox prices in your head which are bullshit prices), how do you get by waiting 6 weeks for each scrap of money that you attempt to withdraw?



Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: Kungfucheez on January 10, 2014, 03:38:07 PM
Maybe cause everyone is taking btcs off the market and selling them  ::)

Maybe not, but who knows

without some seriously BAD news occurring in the world regarding BTC, it's not going to drop that much.
there is no volume sell possible that would reduce the value from 900 to 600... and even if that were to happen, the 20minute clock would tick and it would simply ramp up again... what i'm seeing is as close to a stable as we have had ^600. it may dip to 800, but not further, like I say, without some seriously negative political press.

True, gonna be interesting to see where we go from here


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: raskul on January 10, 2014, 03:38:19 PM

We will see who is placing their bets in the right direction before this weekend is out for sure.

Without drawing lines on charts or anything like that, the increasing reticence of market participants to commit to Bitcoin during this post correction consolidation period indicates to me that the barrels are going to tip down the ways and soon. Most market players are in Bitcoin for profit, and I don't smell any profit in the immediate near term and neither will anyone else.

Oh yeah, and if you are trading on Gox (you seem to have Gox prices in your head which are bullshit prices), how do you get by waiting 6 weeks for each scrap of money that you attempt to withdraw?



i don't use mtgox pal


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: MatTheCat on January 10, 2014, 03:41:23 PM

We will see who is placing their bets in the right direction before this weekend is out for sure.

Without drawing lines on charts or anything like that, the increasing reticence of market participants to commit to Bitcoin during this post correction consolidation period indicates to me that the barrels are going to tip down the ways and soon. Most market players are in Bitcoin for profit, and I don't smell any profit in the immediate near term and neither will anyone else.

Oh yeah, and if you are trading on Gox (you seem to have Gox prices in your head which are bullshit prices), how do you get by waiting 6 weeks for each scrap of money that you attempt to withdraw?



i don't use mtgox pal

Then why are u quoting 915 as being the Bitcoin price.

I sold at $880, bitcoin is now $820. How does this equate in anyone's mind as a bad move?


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: Kungfucheez on January 10, 2014, 03:45:04 PM

We will see who is placing their bets in the right direction before this weekend is out for sure.

Without drawing lines on charts or anything like that, the increasing reticence of market participants to commit to Bitcoin during this post correction consolidation period indicates to me that the barrels are going to tip down the ways and soon. Most market players are in Bitcoin for profit, and I don't smell any profit in the immediate near term and neither will anyone else.

Oh yeah, and if you are trading on Gox (you seem to have Gox prices in your head which are bullshit prices), how do you get by waiting 6 weeks for each scrap of money that you attempt to withdraw?



i don't use mtgox pal

Then why are u quoting 915 as being the Bitcoin price.

I sold at $880, bitcoin is now $820. How does this equate in anyone's mind as a bad move?

That wasn't a bad move, that was a good bet


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: raskul on January 10, 2014, 03:53:12 PM

We will see who is placing their bets in the right direction before this weekend is out for sure.

Without drawing lines on charts or anything like that, the increasing reticence of market participants to commit to Bitcoin during this post correction consolidation period indicates to me that the barrels are going to tip down the ways and soon. Most market players are in Bitcoin for profit, and I don't smell any profit in the immediate near term and neither will anyone else.

Oh yeah, and if you are trading on Gox (you seem to have Gox prices in your head which are bullshit prices), how do you get by waiting 6 weeks for each scrap of money that you attempt to withdraw?



i don't use mtgox pal

Then why are u quoting 915 as being the Bitcoin price.

I sold at $880, bitcoin is now $820. How does this equate in anyone's mind as a bad move?

didn't say it was a bad move, it just depends what you will buy at again.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: Miz4r on January 10, 2014, 05:22:57 PM
It was a stupid sell, had I waited an hour I could have gotten $920-$930, so yeah, I was pissed off.

But Bitcoin is now $820, it went as low as $765 and it is going lower, much lower. So do i feel like a plonker? A bit, but overall not really? Are you a plonker for holdin when you should have sold? Most definitely!

You just don't learn do you? Your greed will be your undoing. See you at $1000 soon. :P


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: TERA on January 10, 2014, 06:53:39 PM
This trend will hold itself in a weak way for another few days probably. Especially with all the news, it could be weeks, or until China takes a shit again (which can always be tomorrow).


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: MatTheCat on January 11, 2014, 12:12:45 AM
This trend will hold itself in a weak way for another few days probably. Especially with all the news, it could be weeks, or until China takes a shit again (which can always be tomorrow).

Looks like a break to the upside....

I reckon another gradual trend up is on the cards, stopping short of last $1000 high and then correcting.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: rolanberry on January 11, 2014, 12:29:23 AM
This trend will hold itself in a weak way for another few days probably. Especially with all the news, it could be weeks, or until China takes a shit again (which can always be tomorrow).

Looks like a break to the upside....

I reckon another gradual trend up is on the cards, stopping short of last $1000 high and then correcting.

Are you Maxxthepenguin/Joeytheplatipus?

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/User:Maxxthepenguin (http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/User:Maxxthepenguin)


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: favelle75 on January 11, 2014, 03:59:54 AM
Is it a few hours yet?


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: kwoody on January 11, 2014, 05:00:42 AM
I love it when people assume a pricedrop is coming and the opposite happens.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: arepo on January 11, 2014, 05:05:22 AM
I love it when people assume a pricedrop is coming and the opposite happens.

the market moves to minimize traders' profits.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: Kungfucheez on January 11, 2014, 05:08:13 AM
I love it when people assume a pricedrop is coming and the opposite happens.

the market moves to minimize traders' profits.

The market moves to the sound of my Electric Boogaloo

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/images2/2062509.jpg


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: phazon307 on January 11, 2014, 05:16:09 AM
Prev Shows it at 878 don't think it will go down lower than 800 at least like what other commenters said unless there is some terrible horrific tragic news.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: chufchuf on January 11, 2014, 05:42:20 AM
It`s not going down. It`s a lateral-movement since 1/8/2014


https://www.tradingview.com/x/6ef1ClLD/


She looks really horny, nice long hair and an orgasm that's a cross with the exorcist, but those tits are weird


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: raskul on January 11, 2014, 09:36:56 AM
yesterday I bought in at 923. sold at 950.
in my book, that was a good days work.

today i bought in blind (my eyes were still closed and had sleep in them)
i may not sell again til tomorrow.

a job's a job i suppose. I was only trying to help.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: favelle75 on January 11, 2014, 12:14:49 PM
I love it when people assume a pricedrop is coming and the opposite happens.

I love it when people CLAIM a price drop and the opposite happens!  :)


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: TERA on January 11, 2014, 12:16:37 PM
I love it when people assume a pricedrop is coming and the opposite happens.

I love it when people CLAIM a price drop and the opposite happens!  :)
To think there are entire professions of people who do this every day and get away it. Investments Adisors. Psychics. Weathermen. Sports Commentators.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: Wilhelm on January 11, 2014, 12:54:00 PM
I love it when people assume a pricedrop is coming and the opposite happens.

I love it when people CLAIM a price drop and the opposite happens!  :)

Just like honey badger .... bitcoin don't give a fuck :D


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: BitCoinNutJob on January 11, 2014, 01:02:45 PM
lol @ OP

i feel we are going to $1100 and then down again atm

china will shut down all the dodgy exchanges at some point soon i reckon... you know how this bullshit goes


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: xybersurfer on January 11, 2014, 01:05:40 PM
I love it when people assume a pricedrop is coming and the opposite happens.

I love it when people CLAIM a price drop and the opposite happens!  :)
To think there are entire professions of people who do this every day and get away it. Investments Adisors. Psychics. Weathermen. Sports Commentators.
lmao. that's so true


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: seljo on January 11, 2014, 02:10:04 PM
Fortunately my order to buy 21000000 BTC is in place.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: sir faps on January 11, 2014, 03:17:58 PM
Fortunately my order to buy 21000000 BTC is in place.

I think you MAY have some trouble getting that order filled!


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: knightcoin on January 11, 2014, 03:32:43 PM
Fortunately my order to buy 21000000 BTC is in place.

I think you MAY have some trouble getting that order filled!

Black Hole, time travel paradox ...

Symphony of Science - the Quantum World!
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CERN.ch ;)
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Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: GigaCoin on January 11, 2014, 03:55:18 PM
blah


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: favelle75 on January 11, 2014, 08:17:56 PM
I love it when people assume a pricedrop is coming and the opposite happens.

I love it when people CLAIM a price drop and the opposite happens!  :)
To think there are entire professions of people who do this every day and get away it. Investments Adisors. Psychics. Weathermen. Sports Commentators.

Hopefully, this will all change in the future....


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: favelle75 on January 11, 2014, 08:18:21 PM
I love it when people assume a pricedrop is coming and the opposite happens.

I love it when people CLAIM a price drop and the opposite happens!  :)

Just like honey badger .... bitcoin don't give a fuck :D

Preeeeecisely!


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: Kungfucheez on January 11, 2014, 09:28:54 PM
I love it when people assume a pricedrop is coming and the opposite happens.

I love it when people CLAIM a price drop and the opposite happens!  :)
To think there are entire professions of people who do this every day and get away it. Investments Adisors. Psychics. Weathermen. Sports Commentators.

Hopefully, this will all change in the future....

lmao, don't bet on it


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: phazon307 on January 11, 2014, 11:36:37 PM
Hey OP looks like you was wrong I sure hope you don't advice anyone in the real world :)


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: favelle75 on January 12, 2014, 12:42:38 AM
Hey OP looks like you was wrong I sure hope you don't advice anyone in the real world :)

Is it a "few hours" yet?  ;)


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: phazon307 on January 12, 2014, 01:50:40 AM
it's been like 16 hours seen this post last night.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: BitCoinNutJob on January 12, 2014, 09:18:34 PM
ok its for sure going down in a few hours this time

 :P

but 24-48 hours i need this time,

prediction reason: china bank will shut down huobi business bank account


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: MatTheCat on January 12, 2014, 09:25:51 PM
ok its for sure going down in a few hours this time

 :P

but 24-48 hours i need this time,

prediction reason: china bank will shut down huobi business bank account

Yep...this has me sweating streaks of piss into my pants. Huobi gets served with any kind of 'suspension', then this sucker is going down big time.

I foolishly bought a few expensive coins, but then wisely bought some cheap coins, but not enough as I wanted as i had the heavy end of my buy ins $5-$10 lower than it fell to on Stamp.

Currently need $860 to break even...contemplating on whether to sell now and take a small loss (but secure USD), or wait and see if I can break even or even take a small profit.




!! TIME TO KNEEL BEFORE KARHU AND REPENT!!

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/8157/w10r.png

Spare me Karhu! I was lead astray!
I beg of you, let me out of Bitcoin with my shirt still on my Back!

PLEEEEEASE!


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: BitCoinNutJob on January 12, 2014, 09:31:55 PM

few days back i didnt take a $60 loss on a trade it cost me $1k in the end, felt like shit.  hey do what you like though, im still holding 60% btc and dont think i will sell no matter news maybe thats crazy


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: notme on January 12, 2014, 09:39:51 PM

few days back i didnt take a $60 loss on a trade it cost me $1k in the end, felt like shit.  hey do what you like though, im still holding 60% btc and dont think i will sell no matter news maybe thats crazy

That's prudent, not crazy.  And don't joke about crazy.  Bitcoin has sent a few people to visit the men in white coats.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: BitCoinNutJob on January 12, 2014, 09:53:14 PM


Quote

Bitcoin has sent a few people to visit the men in white coats.

Yeah nearly went that way just recently.... I come from online poker world & the variance in that game is mad, however bitcoin feels more powerful since decisions now mean extra millions in future (thats how i feel anyhow)


sticking with my huobi prediction, watch out $600


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: Hyena on January 12, 2014, 09:58:12 PM
wtf is this Karhu shit, you can't force a meme so stop this nonsense you noob


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: MatTheCat on January 12, 2014, 10:06:56 PM


few days back i didnt take a $60 loss on a trade it cost me $1k in the end, felt like shit.  hey do what you like though, im still holding 60% btc and dont think i will sell no matter news maybe thats crazy

Ja, just sold at $853.....that makes for another stint of pointless trading but I just don't see any upside on the charts here, and that is without taking the Huobi possibilities into account.

Get the same feeling now as I did this morning when I was looking at $870 prices whilst holding $890 coins. I knew a nose-dive was on the cards and lined up my buy-ins accordingly, yet I never took the loss on the 3 coins that I bought at $890. If I had, I would have taken a small profit just then....albeit a totally pointless small profit but better than a pointless small loss.




LOL @ the anxiety crippled nÜb sitting holding $1000 Bitcoins:

wtf is this Karhu shit, you can't force a meme so stop this nonsense you noob

Bow down to Karhu and be spared, NüB!


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: BitCoinNutJob on January 12, 2014, 10:13:34 PM

good sell, cause whats best that can happen this week? maybe newegg takes BTC? cant see it doing much on price

considering moving 10% in to sell but its a gamble really, its not that important either.  pain in the arse having to have long term holdings i reckon.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: MatTheCat on January 12, 2014, 10:15:29 PM

good sell, cause whats best that can happen this week? maybe newegg takes BTC? cant see it doing much on price

considering moving 10% in to sell but its a gamble really, its not that important either.  pain in the arse having to have long term holdings i reckon.

Horrible month for Bitcoining...

China just wants to get to fk asap to allow the market to take the full force of the blow and then get back to business.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: windjc on January 12, 2014, 10:16:48 PM
I see a market that has increased on average $10 a day since mid October.

I see a market that is in price discovery phase and goes up and down as it is overbought and oversold.

I see a market where a certain amount of new fiat enters it every week.

So I expect that the $10 per day upward trend will more or less win out whether we have good news or bad or whether we go up or down tomorrow or this week or the next day or next week.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: BitCoinNutJob on January 12, 2014, 10:19:52 PM
BTC is hugely more popular but thats since october, what about since further back?




Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: T.Stuart on January 12, 2014, 10:21:34 PM

good sell, cause whats best that can happen this week? maybe newegg takes BTC? cant see it doing much on price

considering moving 10% in to sell but its a gamble really, its not that important either.  pain in the arse having to have long term holdings i reckon.

Horrible month for Bitcoining...

China just wants to get to fk asap to allow the market to take the full force of the blow and then get back to business.

Just a couple of days ago the market was perking up and now it's having a rest we're already bored? Patience my dear chaps. Patience!  ;)



Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: windjc on January 12, 2014, 10:24:58 PM
BTC is hugely more popular but thats since october, what about since further back?




I don't think further back matters. The fundamentals of Bitcoin have changed. It has started an early adopter phase in businesses and in VC capital and growth development. This is only going to grow larger. One day, in the not too distant future there won't be arguments about "if" bitcoin will survive. The arguments will shift to how much of an impact it can have.

I think $10 a day in growth is a conservative long term estimate and a realistic intermediate term one.


Title: Re: Its going down in a few hours
Post by: MatTheCat on January 12, 2014, 10:41:31 PM

good sell, cause whats best that can happen this week? maybe newegg takes BTC? cant see it doing much on price

considering moving 10% in to sell but its a gamble really, its not that important either.  pain in the arse having to have long term holdings i reckon.

Horrible month for Bitcoining...

China just wants to get to fk asap to allow the market to take the full force of the blow and then get back to business.

Just a couple of days ago the market was perking up and now it's having a rest we're already bored? Patience my dear chaps. Patience!  ;)


U Mad!?

It perked up and faltered well short of a very important resistance level. It then took a marked nose dive back down to 'pre perk up' levels, followed by a meagre bounce, with a slippery down trend forming. I shall go to bed tonight without any buy-ins lined up as if this sucker does go down, then I would have no idea where to place my bets, especially with this Huobi thing going on. I could wake up tmorrow and see Bitcoin trading in $700s, or if there is some significantly negative 'China' news whilst I am in dreamland, perhaps in the $400s!

Face facts T.Stuart, over the long term, Bitcoin may well reward your $1000 per coin investments, but in the immediate term all signs are a pointing towards a bear trend and I am not giving any of my money to the bear.