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Title: Libertarian Lesson From the Tao (te Ching)
Post by: hugolp on September 02, 2011, 04:58:09 AM
If you want to be a great leader, you must learn to follow the Tao. Stop trying to control. Let go of fixed plans and concepts, and the world will govern itself. The more prohibitions you have, the less virtuous people will be. The more weapons you have, the less secure people will be. The more subsidies you have, the less self-reliant people will be. Therefore the Master says: I let go of the law, and people become honest. I let go of economics, and people become prosperous. I let go of religion, and people become serene. I let go of all desire for the common good, and the good becomes common as grass.

- Tao Te Ching (Mitchell translation), Chapter 57

They say everything is invented and we just keep rediscovering things, and there is some true to this as proven by the Tao. The last sentence is the one that I liked more.


Title: Re: Libertarian Lesson From the Tao (te Ching)
Post by: Graet on September 02, 2011, 05:57:41 AM
yes
many times I have read the Tao Te Ching
good choice :D


Title: Re: Libertarian Lesson From the Tao (te Ching)
Post by: GideonGono on September 02, 2011, 04:20:59 PM
where can I find this text?


Title: Re: Libertarian Lesson From the Tao (te Ching)
Post by: Minsc on September 03, 2011, 04:30:52 AM
I had a good quote on a website I was making that was going to be exclusively bitcoin.  Unfortunately I couldn't get any visitors, didn't have millions to advertise and shut it down 11 months ago.

One good quote was the more laws you make, the more criminals you make or something of that nature.  Then the more people learn, the stranger the world becomes.


Title: Re: Libertarian Lesson From the Tao (te Ching)
Post by: Swishercutter on September 03, 2011, 05:09:56 AM
where can I find this text?

If you have an android phone there is an app...not sure if iphone has it too.  The book is everywhere, usually under spiritual/religion or philosophy in the bookstores depending on who is putting it on the shelf.


Title: Re: Libertarian Lesson From the Tao (te Ching)
Post by: Cryptoman on September 05, 2011, 05:23:09 AM
When taxes are too heavy,
hunger lays the people low.
When those who govern interfere too much,
the people become rebellious.
When those who govern demand too much
of people's lives, death is taken lightly.
When the people are starving in the land,
life is of little value,
and so is more easily sacrificed by them
in overthrowing government.

--Tao Te Ching, verse 75, as translated by Stan Rosenthal


Title: Re: Libertarian Lesson From the Tao (te Ching)
Post by: im3w1l on September 05, 2011, 10:53:54 PM
If you want to be a great leader, you must learn to follow the Tao. Stop trying to control. Let go of fixed plans and concepts, and the world will govern itself. The more prohibitions you have, the less virtuous people will be. The more weapons you have, the less secure people will be. The more subsidies you have, the less self-reliant people will be. Therefore the Master says: I let go of the law, and people become honest. I let go of economics, and people become prosperous. I let go of religion, and people become serene. I let go of all desire for the common good, and the good becomes common as grass.

- Tao Te Ching (Mitchell translation), Chapter 57

They say everything is invented and we just keep rediscovering things, and there is some true to this as proven by the Tao. The last sentence is the one that I liked more.

I want to tell you a true story about a day care center. There was a day care center, where the parents routinely were routinely picking up the children too tate, so the people working there started making parents pay a small fee every time they were late. However this only exacerbated the problem: people were later than ever.

The explanation I heard is that since the parents payed a fee, they felt absolved from bad conscience.

Upon seeing that the fee didn't work as a deterrent, it was removed. The tardiness however did not improve. The bad conscience could not be restored so easily.


I think that in our society of rapid changes according to what works, the time the restoration would take is never allowed to happen. Instead, we continue raising the fees.


Title: Re: Libertarian Lesson From the Tao (te Ching)
Post by: Stalin-chan on September 05, 2011, 11:51:36 PM
Those parents are stupid.  ::)


Title: Re: Libertarian Lesson From the Tao (te Ching)
Post by: Minsc on September 06, 2011, 02:15:06 AM
Those parents are stupid.  ::)

Stupid people tend to breed because they don't see that children are a lot of work.


Title: Re: Libertarian Lesson From the Tao (te Ching)
Post by: hugolp on September 07, 2011, 06:14:10 AM
I want to tell you a true story about a day care center. There was a day care center, where the parents routinely were routinely picking up the children too tate, so the people working there started making parents pay a small fee every time they were late. However this only exacerbated the problem: people were later than ever.

The explanation I heard is that since the parents payed a fee, they felt absolved from bad conscience.

Upon seeing that the fee didn't work as a deterrent, it was removed. The tardiness however did not improve. The bad conscience could not be restored so easily.


I think that in our society of rapid changes according to what works, the time the restoration would take is never allowed to happen. Instead, we continue raising the fees.

Very true. Does it have an ending?


Title: Re: Libertarian Lesson From the Tao (te Ching)
Post by: bitconformist on September 07, 2011, 10:37:58 PM
Now read Pascal's Pensees.