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Title: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Lionel on January 10, 2014, 03:09:21 PM
Hi,
i own an advertising site which is an experiment: http://www.stealthepixels.com (http://www.stealthepixels.com)

You can get little ad banners for free or for cheap.
Banners never expire, they will be shown forever.
If you are the first who wants a banner you get it for free, otherwise another person has the banner, but ... you can "steal" it from him.
How? By paying us 0.01$ more than the price payed by him. BTC/LTC also accepted.

So for example he got the banner for 0.50$, you have to pay 0.51$ to get it.

The site will be online forever, so if you have a banner and noboby steals it from you, it will show your ads forever.

I'm writing this thread to do a little beta test: what do you think about it?

- the concept, could this idea work?
- the implementation, is it comprehensive and attractive?
- give me more suggestions if you want

Thank you :)


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising site
Post by: superresistant on January 10, 2014, 03:15:45 PM
Genius idea.


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: raaawr on January 10, 2014, 05:03:06 PM
I think it works, wasnt there a site called the million dollar site with this same concept a couple of years ago?


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: jmiles337 on January 10, 2014, 06:13:33 PM
Wow, I've never seen anything like this before. Seems like a very good idea to me, but why would anyone visit this site, thus viewing my ad? Just wondering about why anyone would have an incentive to go to a site just to view adds :s (I am very interested in getting my ad up soon btw ^_^ almost done with my site.


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Lionel on January 10, 2014, 09:53:17 PM
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I think it works, wasnt there a site called the million dollar site with this same concept a couple of years ago?
Yes this is a pixel advertising site inspired by The million dollar homepage with some added functionalities.
The milliondollarhomepage had about 100 clone sites but they all were very ugly and amateur compared to the original one.

We have tried to do a site in the same category but with added original extensions and that looks pretty and well-finished, not amateur like those clones.

Quote
Wow, I've never seen anything like this before. Seems like a very good idea to me, but why would anyone visit this site, thus viewing my ad? Just wondering about why anyone would have an incentive to go to a site just to view adds :s (I am very interested in getting my ad up soon btw ^_^ almost done with my site.

About this point i forgot: we are also committing ourselves to do proper SEO/link building/promotion to be well visible on google, so your advertising is not placed forever on a PR0 site. PageRank and traffic will grow.
That is another difference with the Milliondollarhomepage clones.

But maybe there is still the problem you said: why people should enter a site with only banners??
You make me think now and i accept any suggestions about this point.
For now i can say: people maybe will not hang around to a site like this but your site will have one more link that google sees. This is still not sufficient though...


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: countryfree on January 11, 2014, 12:17:09 AM
When I'm buying an advertising campaign, I want to know what I'm buying. I can buy 5,000 clicks or 1,000,000 pages views, and I can choose the audience, but if I don't know precisely what I'm getting, and without any guarantee on how long I'll have it, I guess your service has to be free. Forever.


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Lionel on January 11, 2014, 12:36:28 PM
When I'm buying an advertising campaign, I want to know what I'm buying. I can buy 5,000 clicks or 1,000,000 pages views, and I can choose the audience, but if I don't know precisely what I'm getting, and without any guarantee on how long I'll have it, I guess your service has to be free. Forever.

"without any guarantee on how long I'll have it"

Look at the milliondollarhomepage: it has been online since 2005 and it will likely be online for the decades to come. It didn't guarantee it will be online forever, they only declared that but they still got their banner filled by advertisers! Yeah it maintained its promise because it is still online after 8-9 years, but there was no guarantee on this in 2005.

"I want to know what I'm buying"

There are a lot of professional advertising services that offer you the guarantee you get 5,000 clicks from the country you choose etc., but there is a huge difference in price.
My service has the same philosophy as the milliondollarhomepage: no guaranteed but very very cheap (actually far cheaper than MDH).
Again, the MDH got their banner filled despite they did not guarantee 5,000 clicks to advertisers, who paid even 1$ per pixel that is very costly!
If all the people think like you, why in the world they bought pixels on MDH at that crazy price?


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: countryfree on January 11, 2014, 07:17:05 PM
When I'm buying an advertising campaign, I want to know what I'm buying. I can buy 5,000 clicks or 1,000,000 pages views, and I can choose the audience, but if I don't know precisely what I'm getting, and without any guarantee on how long I'll have it, I guess your service has to be free. Forever.

"without any guarantee on how long I'll have it"

Look at the milliondollarhomepage: it has been online since 2005 and it will likely be online for the decades to come. It didn't guarantee it will be online forever, they only declared that but they still got their banner filled by advertisers! Yeah it maintained its promise because it is still online after 8-9 years, but there was no guarantee on this in 2005.

"I want to know what I'm buying"

There are a lot of professional advertising services that offer you the guarantee you get 5,000 clicks from the country you choose etc., but there is a huge difference in price.
My service has the same philosophy as the milliondollarhomepage: no guaranteed but very very cheap (actually far cheaper than MDH).
Again, the MDH got their banner filled despite they did not guarantee 5,000 clicks to advertisers, who paid even 1$ per pixel that is very costly!
If all the people think like you, why in the world they bought pixels on MDH at that crazy price?

I don't know what some people are doing, and I don't know how successful that milliondollarhomepage is, and you may even be successful among individuals who want to promote their blogs, but I think professional marketers will stick to professional advertising services.


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Lionel on January 12, 2014, 10:43:12 AM
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I don't know what some people are doing, and I don't know how successful that milliondollarhomepage is, and you may even be successful among individuals who want to promote their blogs, but I think professional marketers will stick to professional advertising services.


Ok i'm thinking about a money-back guarantee if the advertiser's banner does not get at least N clicks in a period of time.

How can i give evidence to him that he got the clicks?
Is there some hit counter service i can use? It should be an external service doing the monitoring, not my site otherwise the advertiser thinks i may cheat.


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Lionel on February 19, 2014, 01:38:53 PM
The site now has a faucet! http://www.stealthepixels.com/get-free-money

It is a section of the site where people can get money for free, they only need to enter their wallet and solve a captcha to get a prize in BTC/LTC/USD.
The point of it is to gain traffic.

I'd like you to give me some comments/feedback on it, thank you :)


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: questionableideas on February 19, 2014, 10:33:44 PM
This is super interesting, but what's to stop someone from taking all of the extra space?

Also, the main page and purchase page seem to lag. It's probably due to the immense amount of pixel links there are?


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Lionel on February 19, 2014, 11:01:45 PM
This is super interesting, but what's to stop someone from taking all of the extra space?

Also, the main page and purchase page seem to lag. It's probably due to the immense amount of pixel links there are?

Yes that's the reason for the lag.

Nobody stops you from taking all the free pixels :)
After then, all the free pixels would be exhausted and people would have to pay at least 0.01$ to "steal" them.


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: sprinkle on February 19, 2014, 11:24:42 PM
I'm curious how you're hosting this -- incredibly slow for me.


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Lionel on February 19, 2014, 11:34:09 PM
I'm curious how you're hosting this -- incredibly slow for me.

Are you using internet explorer?
It actually is slow on IE


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Lionel on February 27, 2014, 04:34:21 PM
We have added 2 features:

- the ability to add to cart a range of pixels at once. Hold SHIFT then click on the upper left corner of the rectangle, then click on the right bottom

- a button to empty your cart


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: bittyweb on February 27, 2014, 08:55:06 PM
I'm curious how you're hosting this -- incredibly slow for me.

Test the website using different servers with online tests.

Which browser are you using?


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Lionel on March 01, 2014, 11:52:40 AM
I'm curious how you're hosting this -- incredibly slow for me.

Excuse me i was wrong, it is slow on Chrome only.
what browser were you using?

It works fine with Firefox, Safari and IE,
so i think it actually is a performance issue with Chrome.

i've just reported it to Google.


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Lionel on March 14, 2014, 04:25:36 PM
Update: now we have the Statistics page http://stealthepixels.com/history/
which shows the daily clicks on the ads.

We've also optimized the homepage to load fast on all browsers, even Chrome ;)


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: jeppe on March 16, 2014, 12:37:12 AM
This is an awesome idea!! so where would this ad be only on that site Or anywhere else ??


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Lionel on March 17, 2014, 04:28:47 PM
This is an awesome idea!! so where would this ad be only on that site Or anywhere else ??

Yes only there, where else do you suggest to put it?

If you want to make an estimate on how many clicks you'll get if you purchase an ad,
look at the Statistics page once in a while: http://stealthepixels.com/history/

Usually the more blocks you get, the more clicks you'll get


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: PrintMule on March 17, 2014, 04:38:43 PM
I think it works, wasnt there a site called the million dollar site with this same concept a couple of years ago?

You've said it for me.

This one is just another rehash.

Plus, as of now, it looks horrible. These ads are not complementing one another.


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Fermin on March 18, 2014, 04:46:25 AM
I think it works, wasnt there a site called the million dollar site with this same concept a couple of years ago?

You've said it for me.

This one is just another rehash.

Plus, as of now, it looks horrible. These ads are not complementing one another.

Yes, but he is getting advertisers and winning money   8)


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
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Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Lionel on March 21, 2014, 02:23:02 PM
We've added some new features to the Buy Pixels page:

- you can now see the exact price you're offering for each specific block, not just the total due

- Add ALL the pixels (to purchase the entire pixel board!)

- Empty cart (to clear all the pixels from your cart)

- Set all offers to the minimum (the minimum is the price the previous buyer paid, plus 1 cent)

- Increase all offers by... (you enter the price value to be added to all the blocks in your cart)

- Decrease all offers by... (you enter the price value to be detracted from all the blocks in your cart)

- on the Statistics page under Top Advertisements you can see how many $dollars each advertiser spent to get those clicks on his ads :)

Let me know about bugs/suggestions thx



Incoming features:


- on the homepage when the mouse hovers on a pixel, the description of the ad will be shown in a persistent popup rectangle which is more readable. That should increase the probability that the visitor will be interested in clicking on the ad.

more...


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Lionel on March 31, 2014, 08:45:17 PM
Update:

The Get Free Money section has the 95% of the traffic, so i decided to give an additional advertisement slot there to the anyone who gets at least 500 pixel blocks from the homepage.

The current winner is from this community: holdaaja

The banner you put there will be displayed forever.. until someone else gets 500 blocks.
In that case he will steal it from you :)


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: boumalo on April 03, 2014, 11:49:29 AM
Traffic is not increasing that much, maybe it is time for some advertisement on other forums and http://www.bitvisitor.com/buyvisits.php?

You may want to write the name of the website in the thread title

Good luck for your website


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Lionel on May 06, 2014, 12:49:15 PM
Traffic went up a bit, so i've decided to add the AdSlot24 section: http://stealthepixels.com/your-ad-here/
from which you can buy the ad slot on the bottom and place your banner (728x90, 468x60 or 300x100).

Rates are as low as 0.18$ CPM which should be perfect even for non-business people :)

What do you think about it?



Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: boumalo on May 06, 2014, 01:07:47 PM
Traffic went up a bit, so i've decided to add the AdSlot24 section: http://stealthepixels.com/your-ad-here/
from which you can buy the ad slot on the bottom and place your banner (728x90, 468x60 or 300x100).

Rates are as low as 0.18$ CPM which should be perfect even for non-business people :)

What do you think about it?



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It seems the traffic has been increasing a bit, what do you do to increase traffic?


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Lionel on May 06, 2014, 01:31:12 PM
Traffic went up a bit, so i've decided to add the AdSlot24 section: http://stealthepixels.com/your-ad-here/
from which you can buy the ad slot on the bottom and place your banner (728x90, 468x60 or 300x100).

Rates are as low as 0.18$ CPM which should be perfect even for non-business people :)

What do you think about it?



2014-05-05   7292   1277   34
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It seems the traffic has been increasing a bit, what do you do to increase traffic?

Lately i've been doing some email marketing, not so much.

I don't want to put great effort on increasing traffic yet , due to the faucet section: sometimes the withdrawals i have to send from the faucet overcome the income i get.

Increasing traffic now is a gamble: it could bring more gain (ads) or more losses (faucet)...
so when i've finished making the right adjustments to my business model i can invest more in promoting the site.


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: boumalo on May 06, 2014, 08:40:15 PM
Traffic went up a bit, so i've decided to add the AdSlot24 section: http://stealthepixels.com/your-ad-here/
from which you can buy the ad slot on the bottom and place your banner (728x90, 468x60 or 300x100).

Rates are as low as 0.18$ CPM which should be perfect even for non-business people :)

What do you think about it?



2014-05-05   7292   1277   34
2014-05-04   6129   1193   30
2014-05-03   6913   1170   20
2014-05-02   5788   1186   21
2014-05-01   5687   1127   28
2014-04-30   5875   1034   25
2014-04-29   5527   1093   19

It seems the traffic has been increasing a bit, what do you do to increase traffic?

Lately i've been doing some email marketing, not so much.

I don't want to put great effort on increasing traffic yet , due to the faucet section: sometimes the withdrawals i have to send from the faucet overcome the income i get.

Increasing traffic now is a gamble: it could bring more gain (ads) or more losses (faucet)...
so when i've finished making the right adjustments to my business model i can invest more in promoting the site.


You could give less to the faucet


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Lionel on May 19, 2014, 07:26:01 PM

Lately i've been doing some email marketing, not so much.

I don't want to put great effort on increasing traffic yet , due to the faucet section: sometimes the withdrawals i have to send from the faucet overcome the income i get.

Increasing traffic now is a gamble: it could bring more gain (ads) or more losses (faucet)...
so when i've finished making the right adjustments to my business model i can invest more in promoting the site.


You could give less to the faucet

Not an option, i would not be competitive with the other faucets.

Maybe i could add a skill game where faucet users bet a part of the balance and battle each other to win the pot.
Like poker or darts.
I would take a small fee for each match, so that if many people play the game, i would in fact give less money to the faucet without lowering the dispense :)

The problem here is faucet visitors are all very poor people, they only want to take money and neither to bet nor purchase stuff (like mining contracts, etc.).

Ask holdajaa, he placed a referral banner on StealThePixels for a BTC slot machine site, and people clicked but didn't place bets on the slot machine so he got no commission!
He changed that banner after 2 days.

I'm pretty sure i would waste time developing a game like that


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: boumalo on June 08, 2014, 11:30:28 AM

Lately i've been doing some email marketing, not so much.

I don't want to put great effort on increasing traffic yet , due to the faucet section: sometimes the withdrawals i have to send from the faucet overcome the income i get.

Increasing traffic now is a gamble: it could bring more gain (ads) or more losses (faucet)...
so when i've finished making the right adjustments to my business model i can invest more in promoting the site.


You could give less to the faucet

Not an option, i would not be competitive with the other faucets.

Maybe i could add a skill game where faucet users bet a part of the balance and battle each other to win the pot.
Like poker or darts.
I would take a small fee for each match, so that if many people play the game, i would in fact give less money to the faucet without lowering the dispense :)

The problem here is faucet visitors are all very poor people, they only want to take money and neither to bet nor purchase stuff (like mining contracts, etc.).

Ask holdajaa, he placed a referral banner on StealThePixels for a BTC slot machine site, and people clicked but didn't place bets on the slot machine so he got no commission!
He changed that banner after 2 days.

I'm pretty sure i would waste time developing a game like that


If you change the faucet into a skilled game that require real bitcoins betting you may attract new clients


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Lionel on June 22, 2014, 09:47:57 PM
Hey holdaaja i'm sorry but Tom Ward became the new sponsored user on the faucet section

He got 500+ pixel blocks :)

I hope you got profit from that btcrock banner you had there
It has been clicked 1500 times :O
http://goo.gl/#analytics/goo.gl/nH6mDB/all_time


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: blatchcorn on June 23, 2014, 08:34:24 AM
Nice idea!  I found that the banners do not work if you try and open the link in a new tab.

I also think the advertising claims should be checked, such as the '$200 doge every hour' banner


Title: Re: Free or cheap advertising service
Post by: Lionel on June 24, 2014, 12:06:16 PM
Nice idea!  I found that the banners do not work if you try and open the link in a new tab.

I also think the advertising claims should be checked, such as the '$200 doge every hour' banner

Now all pixels open a new tab when you click, try it out please and thanks

We won't allow p0rn or offensive advertising, but about non-realistic claims.... well we don't care because at worst people won't click on them and the paying advertiser would have lost their money. It's at their own risk.

Or maybe you think unrealistic claims in the ads lower the quality of StealThePixels as well?