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Post by: andrewbadr on September 02, 2011, 06:13:52 PM
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Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: Piper67 on September 02, 2011, 06:15:40 PM
Just a thought, but anyone willing to do this because of the anonymity of it might not be too inclined to send you a message about it. Might be better if you just post the details and let the pervs among us figure out how to go about it  ;D


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: 322i0n on September 02, 2011, 06:21:40 PM
add a poll to the thread.


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: nmat on September 02, 2011, 06:25:25 PM
Personally, I am not interested, but is a user selling reality kings accounts and he has been pretty successful.

I was just wondering: when you promote bitcoins to a website do you mention bit-pay, for example? If not, how do you sell the idea? The market fluctuation is not really attractive for a seller...


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: andrewbadr on September 02, 2011, 06:28:04 PM
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Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: wolftaur on September 02, 2011, 06:29:27 PM
Personally, I am not interested, but is a user selling reality kings accounts and he has been pretty successful.

I was just wondering: when you promote bitcoins to a website do you mention bit-pay, for example? If not, how do you sell the idea? The market fluctuation is not really attractive for a seller...

There are already some merchant services for that, which basically just convert you to USD as soon as someone sends Bitcoins.

At the same time, given the profit margins on most porn stuff especially online, they could certainly afford to consider speculating. :)


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: Remember remember the 5th of November on September 02, 2011, 06:52:40 PM
Maybe...but as it is, bitcoin is too volatile to be accepted..the porn site will be at a huge loss, unless they charge a bit more than they do for USD.


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: kjj on September 02, 2011, 08:04:56 PM
Maybe...but as it is, bitcoin is too volatile to be accepted..the porn site will be at a huge loss, unless they charge a bit more than they do for USD.

If you can figure out how to write a website in PHP, you can also figure out how to use the API on your favorite exchange to instantly sell them.  Yes, I know you would need to park a few coins at the exchange, but that would be the limit of your currency risk, which works out to zero per transaction over time.


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: evoorhees on September 02, 2011, 10:06:54 PM
OP-  Great idea to approach them.  However, conducting a poll here is probably not a good market indicator. You should poll a group of people who are already subscribing to Kink and see whether they would prefer to have an anonymous payment method in which personal financial details are not stored on the company's server.

Remember, the advantage of BTC to the consumer is not just the anonymity, but also the fact that his/her credit card details aren't stored somewhere. As it stands now, my credit card info could be hacked from any server where I've purchased stuff (amazon and dozens of others). But with btc, a hacker can't gain anything from my by hacking the company's server.  The corollary to this is that the company doesn't have to invest resources in storing and protecting customer records.

How happy would Sony have been if their recent hacks didn't release 300,000 customer details =)


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: evoorhees on September 02, 2011, 10:07:39 PM
Maybe...but as it is, bitcoin is too volatile to be accepted..the porn site will be at a huge loss, unless they charge a bit more than they do for USD.

Bit-pay.com permits merchant to accept Bitcoins, and receive the money as USD automatically into their bank account. Thus eliminating all exchange rate risk.


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: evoorhees on September 02, 2011, 10:08:55 PM
One more comment OP - the main advantage to Kink will be the zero chargeback risk AND the fact that they can accept customers from any nation in the world without risk. THAT should be your focus when/if you speak with them.


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: FlipPro on September 02, 2011, 10:42:14 PM
I recommend http://walletbit.com ,

Gbyte was really nice, and SUPER fast at setting up this payment gateway for me.

Walletbit seems to have the most serious security that I know of and I use it for my shop http://bitcoincloset.com.

Just guarantee kink more business. Guarantee it without putting any specific number on it. I have confidence in the buying power of this community... 


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: evoorhees on September 02, 2011, 11:48:29 PM

Just guarantee kink more business. Guarantee it without putting any specific number on it. I have confidence in the buying power of this community... 

Ehhhh please don't do that. Bitcoin is strong and compelling enough over the long term that false claims are not only unnecessary, but counter-productive (and immoral). We're not selling used cars here.


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: Chris Acheson on September 02, 2011, 11:54:18 PM
OP-  Great idea to approach them.  However, conducting a poll here is probably not a good market indicator. You should poll a group of people who are already subscribing to Kink and see whether they would prefer to have an anonymous payment method in which personal financial details are not stored on the company's server.

While polling current subscribers might be a good idea if you can do it, keep in mind that they'll probably be less interested on average.  They've already given their credit card info, so obviously that wasn't a dealbreaker for them.


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: FlipPro on September 02, 2011, 11:54:25 PM

Just guarantee kink more business. Guarantee it without putting any specific number on it. I have confidence in the buying power of this community... 

Ehhhh please don't do that. Bitcoin is strong and compelling enough over the long term that false claims are not only unnecessary, but counter-productive (and immoral). We're not selling used cars here.
You don't think atleast 1 Bitcoiner will buy a subscription if it's promoted properly?

Man.. I have alot more faith in this community than that. Sorry if I am being to "strong" .


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: wolftaur on September 03, 2011, 12:00:03 AM

Just guarantee kink more business. Guarantee it without putting any specific number on it. I have confidence in the buying power of this community... 

Ehhhh please don't do that. Bitcoin is strong and compelling enough over the long term that false claims are not only unnecessary, but counter-productive (and immoral). We're not selling used cars here.

Don't guarantee it. Tell them, though, that it's another form of currency and that it potentially opens up a nice market, including a good number of, well, geeks that don't trust Big Bank and don't want a credit card. :) This is 100% true. You can also point out that many Bitcoiners have more bitcoins they can spend around than they have dollars. This is 100% true. You can also point out that because not many places take Bitcoins yet there are many people actively looking for places to SPEND them to support the currency. This is 100% true.

They're extremely likely to make enough extra sales to be worth the effort. No sugar coating or shady "guarantee" is required.


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: nmat on September 03, 2011, 12:00:53 AM
One thing that a user noted somewhere (it was a similar thread a few weeks ago) is that these companies make recurring payments so are interested in credit card numbers because they can charge monthly payments unless the user voluntarily unsubscribes. I don't know if this is the case, but anyway you don't lose anything for trying.


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: wolftaur on September 03, 2011, 12:05:28 AM
One thing that a user noted somewhere (it was a similar thread a few weeks ago) is that these companies make recurring payments so are interested in credit card numbers because they can charge monthly payments unless the user voluntarily unsubscribes. I don't know if this is the case, but anyway you don't lose anything for trying.

Many also let you buy a year up front, or six months.


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: buttcoin1 on September 03, 2011, 12:51:55 AM
Who pays for pron?


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: wolftaur on September 03, 2011, 01:09:49 AM
Who pays for pron?

People who don't understand torrent files.


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: geek-trader on September 03, 2011, 01:11:29 AM
Who pays for pron?

People who don't understand torrent files.

People who have money, like a specific thing, and don't have the time or interest to fuck around with torrent files.


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: wolftaur on September 03, 2011, 01:14:11 AM
Who pays for pron?

People who don't understand torrent files.

People who have money, like a specific thing, and don't have the time or interest to fuck around with torrent files.

Someone with the name 'buttcoin1' asking that question, I just couldn't resist the smart-assed answer. :)


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: 322i0n on September 03, 2011, 01:14:51 AM
the questions for this poll are going to spoil your results. more people will go for free stuff if offered.
question should along the lines of. " would you be more likely to pay for porn with anonymous method? y/n"


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: andrewbadr on September 04, 2011, 01:15:56 AM
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Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: Chris Acheson on September 04, 2011, 12:38:21 PM
This is now possible — unofficially.

To subscribe, email btckink@gmail.com with your desired site and account name. (Note that you can create an account for free.) I'll reply with the cost and receiving address. After you pay, the subscription will appear on your account. This is a month-by-month subscription. Obviously, if you don't want to reveal your personal email address, you can simply make a new email address to use.

If three people sign up, I'll automate this more and make a website.

If ten people sign up, I'll try to get more official support from kink.com.

Think of it as an investment in your Bitcoins and a gift to the community. Official support here would be huge publicity.

So have you talked to them, or is this something you're doing on your own?


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: andrewbadr on September 06, 2011, 05:12:28 PM
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Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: kjj on September 06, 2011, 06:27:52 PM
So have you talked to them, or is this something you're doing on your own?

It's unofficial, but using a method they approved of.

So, where are the 11 people who said they'd "definitely subscribe"?

Emailing you probably seems a lot less anonymous now than it did when they were filling out the survey.  Not to get into value judgments over pornography, but with a website, you are telling a machine that you like pornography.  With email, you are telling a person that you are a perv.


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: andrewbadr on September 06, 2011, 06:33:58 PM
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Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: kjj on September 06, 2011, 07:03:02 PM
Emailing you probably seems a lot less anonymous now than it did when they were filling out the survey.  Not to get into value judgments over pornography, but with a website, you are telling a machine that you like pornography.  With email, you are telling a person that you are a perv.

Yes, but there are a ton of free email services where they could make a new account. If anything, the survey is less anonymous because the forum admins can see how you voted. Given that, do you still think I'd have more success if I automated the process and made it a web service?

According to my theory, the answer is yes.  I don't know how much time or money I'd be willing to bet on the correctness of my theory, but I do know that perception is powerful stuff, even when logic says that perception is wrong.


Title: Re: Would you subscribe to a kink.com site if you could pay with Bitcoin?
Post by: deslok on September 06, 2011, 09:39:31 PM
There are some other ways to view porn with bitcoin currently avilable, bitcoinporn currently acceps anomonus donations and a camgirl i've spoken with has dediced to offer private shows through skype as well as other IM clients.(she prefers skype though)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=41811.0