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Title: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: BittBurger on January 14, 2014, 04:08:49 AM
This is a note to BadBear and other mods:

Would you guys consider implementing a rule requiring all new alt coins to be submitted for evaluation based on legitimacy, innovation, and proficiency in implementation?   I don't know if that means fulfilling a checklist of basic requirements, or undergoing a quick evaluation first.  I think this would be manageable because legit coins will be few and far between, and more importantly, the nonsense will drop off immediately.  With the release of the new 'Make your own Alt coin' tool - this move is even more necessary right now.

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I am fairly new here.  But I think people need to remember the big picture. 

I became involved in this community because I was interested in seeing the innovation going on in the cyrptocurrency realm.  A lot of respected people in the Bitcoin world look to the ALT coin community as a testing ground for possible future value-added features which could be included in the Bitcoin protocol.  In fact, quite a few Bitcoin trash talkers are currently being silenced with this reminder, that the ALT community may very well provide solutions to Bitcoins biggest problems. What is actually developing here however, is Romper Room.  Gone are the days of Namecoin, Peercoin, Litecoin, and the like.  The alt coin community has a very important role in the future of world economies. 

True innovation, creative thinking, and qualified developers should be putting out new coins.  Nobody else.  Maybe in another subforum titled "Shit Coins".  Maybe all the good ideas have been taken.  I don't know.  But I think its hurting everyone here to allow this to continue.  PS:  To all my fellow pump and dump fans ... no offense.  I am all for making quick money.  Its a free market.  But even pump and dumps should have a legit gimick, or you waste your time mining.  Noodly Appendage Coin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=396227.0) for example...

-BittBurger-


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: Brilliantrocket on January 14, 2014, 04:15:54 AM
Great idea! Too many carbon copy coins out there. If your coin brings nothing new to the table other than modified block values, retargeting times or a different icon, it probably shouldn't exist.


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: digicoin on January 14, 2014, 04:56:33 AM
I believe that we need to persuade people to kill Litecoin and PeerCoin first


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: SuzukiAkito on January 14, 2014, 05:02:38 AM
I'm new to all of this but I do agree that the recent new altcoins are.... lol

It's all just a way to make easy cash for those with the hardware for most of the coins lately. Not many coins are really attempting anything new...


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: leetmodz on January 14, 2014, 05:05:09 AM
Great idea!


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: singula on January 14, 2014, 05:10:37 AM
I guess we shouldn't bee too strict (free market, etc ...), but it would be nice to have some minimal requirements for common PoW coins:

1. Having the source code, ideally on a git repo.
2. Having some stable initial node (specified in the code), so no gimmicks with .conf files are necessary to start the coin.
3. Having key parameters (block reward, retarget, type of PoW algo, possibly size of premine.... ) specified in the announcment.

And ideally have at least some of the following;
* a pool
* windows wallet
* some service(s) - faucet, block explorer, shop, gaming site, whatever ...

For at least somewhat new/innovative coins (that brings at least one new algorithm somewhere inside) perhaps require only first point (having source).


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: surfer43 on January 14, 2014, 05:57:32 AM
yes. coins that actually innovate are buried


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: kalus on January 14, 2014, 06:20:16 AM
I believe that we need to persuade people to kill Litecoin and PeerCoin first


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: Mortimer452 on January 14, 2014, 07:30:55 AM
I agree with this for the most part.  I am new here as well, started getting into cryptos just a few months ago, but ever since DOGE proved to the world that you can create a successful coin on nothing more than a childish meme, it's getting ridiculous.

Far more important than limiting the announcements here, I think, is getting Cryptsy, CoinedUp and CoinEx to have some requirements as to what shows up on the exchanges.  Community support/votes/begging to be listed is important, but I think the exchanges need to be in DIRECT CONTACT with the coin's developers before getting listed, for one to make sure they're even around anymore, and to make sure they're OK with it.


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: BittBurger on January 14, 2014, 08:34:38 PM
Its a tough call because it does reek of censorship.

But then again, moderators delete "spam" on here every day. I think an argument could be made that a lot of these coins made by amateurs, with zero value, qualify as spam.

Thoughts?


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: El Dude on January 14, 2014, 08:42:20 PM
I believe that we need to persuade people to kill Litecoin and PeerCoin first

lol kill litecoin not going to happen buddy , keep dreaming


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: weedoge on January 14, 2014, 08:52:23 PM
I guess we shouldn't bee too strict (free market, etc ...), but it would be nice to have some minimal requirements for common PoW coins:

1. Having the source code, ideally on a git repo.
2. Having some stable initial node (specified in the code), so no gimmicks with .conf files are necessary to start the coin.
3. Having key parameters (block reward, retarget, type of PoW algo, possibly size of premine.... ) specified in the announcment.

And ideally have at least some of the following;
* a pool
* windows wallet
* some service(s) - faucet, block explorer, shop, gaming site, whatever ...

For at least somewhat new/innovative coins (that brings at least one new algorithm somewhere inside) perhaps require only first point (having source).

This is good and what we need, not what OP suggested imo.


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: Musent on January 14, 2014, 09:01:01 PM
Agreed. Stop the bleeding.


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: xwortel on January 14, 2014, 09:05:17 PM
yes,please make something like this possible


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: bitwho on January 14, 2014, 09:05:33 PM
Ops should have  a back ground info , coin should have %51 -attack protections. no instamining.


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: lasciv on January 14, 2014, 09:10:10 PM
free market?


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: Nullu on January 14, 2014, 09:12:28 PM
I don't think it would be fair to impose this on altcoins. It's a free market, after all.

However, I wouldn't be against a new subforum being made for coins that cut it above the rest. Weekly votes could determine which coins make it in or out. So the main announcements subforum could be a sort of free for all, but only the best coins would make it into the new subforum.


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: panonym on January 14, 2014, 09:32:30 PM
Need alternative to 1st proof of work.
Mining only interest people with good hardware.

Want proof of burn or real innovation.


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: callawey on January 14, 2014, 09:40:02 PM
No one can put a requirement for altcoins but if the community does its job correct, eventualy shitcoins will stop. If you see any premine even like 0.01% dont mine it, if no one mines any of this releases than eventualy the shitcoin releasers will stop making them because they will know there is no point to do it.

For myself, i realy get tired of seing shitcoins everyday with premines, if the developers needs money, i am pretty sure that if (s)he does a good job he will receive a plenty good donations but saying "premined for development" is totaly scamm and just shit, they are here to become rich without doing any thing as releasing a coin is pretty easy which a few programing knowladge. If you release a coin, donations are the way to go, if you premine, i hope the community does its job and this shitcoins dies.


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: aleix on January 14, 2014, 10:50:35 PM

 :)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=401943.msg4353573#msg4353573



Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: Warning__3 on January 14, 2014, 10:53:55 PM
But who would be going through all the new coins?


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: aleix on January 14, 2014, 10:57:05 PM

Quote
But who would be going through all the new coins?

I think we need 100 people asking the same questions every new currency is released


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: jimhsu on January 14, 2014, 11:13:38 PM
For IPOs - requirement for source or working client demo. Screenshots are doctored far too easily. Most coins though don't even go that far.


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: jorneyflair on January 14, 2014, 11:33:12 PM
I guess we shouldn't bee too strict (free market, etc ...), but it would be nice to have some minimal requirements for common PoW coins:

1. Having the source code, ideally on a git repo.
2. Having some stable initial node (specified in the code), so no gimmicks with .conf files are necessary to start the coin.
3. Having key parameters (block reward, retarget, type of PoW algo, possibly size of premine.... ) specified in the announcment.

And ideally have at least some of the following;
* a pool
* windows wallet
* some service(s) - faucet, block explorer, shop, gaming site, whatever ...

For at least somewhat new/innovative coins (that brings at least one new algorithm somewhere inside) perhaps require only first point (having source).

+1
4. premined less than 0.3%


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: jorneyflair on January 15, 2014, 12:08:10 AM
I guess we shouldn't bee too strict (free market, etc ...), but it would be nice to have some minimal requirements for common PoW coins:

1. Having the source code, ideally on a git repo.
2. Having some stable initial node (specified in the code), so no gimmicks with .conf files are necessary to start the coin.
3. Having key parameters (block reward, retarget, type of PoW algo, possibly size of premine.... ) specified in the announcment.

And ideally have at least some of the following;
* a pool
* windows wallet
* some service(s) - faucet, block explorer, shop, gaming site, whatever ...

For at least somewhat new/innovative coins (that brings at least one new algorithm somewhere inside) perhaps require only first point (having source).

+1
4. premined less than 0.1%


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: BadBear on January 15, 2014, 03:46:20 AM
I don't think it would be fair to impose this on altcoins. It's a free market, after all.

However, I wouldn't be against a new subforum being made for coins that cut it above the rest. Weekly votes could determine which coins make it in or out. So the main announcements subforum could be a sort of free for all, but only the best coins would make it into the new subforum.

Voting wouldn't work, they'd just buy their way in, like they do now with the exchanges.


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: NodeSeperator on January 15, 2014, 10:15:33 AM
I believe everyone should be release hit own coin (shit or not). Nobody forces you too use doge or any other coin, so just don't use it. A overview would be nice, but it is sad to see that some coins don't even try ... just slap some lame logo on it, forget to change the about screen, compile and go! So.. Lame; But people don't seem to care and continue to mine anyway.

Get some standards for .... sake.


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: NodeSeperator on January 15, 2014, 10:18:27 AM
+1
4. premined less than 0.1%

My coin wil be 10 million billion.. Don't worry premine is 0.1% ;)


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: RealDon on January 15, 2014, 10:23:54 AM
I think it's a good idea, but at the same time, it goes against the nature of the forum and decentralized currencies.


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: surfer43 on January 15, 2014, 04:54:55 PM
I guess we shouldn't bee too strict (free market, etc ...), but it would be nice to have some minimal requirements for common PoW coins:

1. Having the source code, ideally on a git repo.
2. Having some stable initial node (specified in the code), so no gimmicks with .conf files are necessary to start the coin.
3. Having key parameters (block reward, retarget, type of PoW algo, possibly size of premine.... ) specified in the announcment.

And ideally have at least some of the following;
* a pool
* windows wallet
* some service(s) - faucet, block explorer, shop, gaming site, whatever ...

For at least somewhat new/innovative coins (that brings at least one new algorithm somewhere inside) perhaps require only first point (having source).

+1
4. premined less than 0.1%
premine + genesis less than 0.1%


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: Chris001 on January 15, 2014, 05:34:32 PM
This idea goes against what cryptos are all about, let the market sort it out, and it is


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: singula on January 15, 2014, 10:29:22 PM
premine + genesis less than 0.1%

If the coin supply is infinite (for example if the block rewards are not decreasing), then any amount of premined coins can be seen as "less than 0.1%" (10 trillion coins is nothing compared to the truly infinite supply of my HugePremineCoin!).

Imposing any hard rules will just lead some people only to doctor the numbers so they'll past the criteria, but still do what they wanted originally (like having more coins in their premine pile that one year worth of total coin mining output combined)


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: DaMoonIsDaFuture on January 15, 2014, 10:55:05 PM
If there where requirements, DOGE would never have happened, and that was fun.

If there where requirements, some gay fish rapper would not have had nightmares and sleepless nights because of a... Coin. And that is priceless.

The coins will regulate themselfs.


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: Invoker on April 05, 2014, 02:55:15 PM
1. NOT premined!!!
2. POS coin with 2% inflation per year (max) It could be higher first year, months
3. POW at the beginning for 3 months at least, but not very long, othervise people get bored
4. New algo (ASIC proof) suitable for summer (keccak...)
Well that should be all
And honest developers :)


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: Invoker on April 05, 2014, 02:56:37 PM
5. let me know about your release after  ;)

I hope it will be soon, can't wait for that moment.


Title: Re: REQUEST: Requirements for new ALT Coins.
Post by: Chris001 on April 27, 2014, 07:01:46 PM
Not a good idea