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Title: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: happygeorge on January 16, 2014, 06:01:39 AM
I remember using Dwolla, it was smooth, fun, and new!

...then they abandoned the Bitcoin community... where are they now? :)

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=dwolla%2C%20%20bitcoin&cmpt=q


https://i.imgur.com/0j0Bawu.png?1


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: Holliday on January 16, 2014, 06:05:28 AM
Bazinga!


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: greenlion on January 16, 2014, 06:46:33 AM
Andreas Antonopolous put it best on an episode of Let's Talk Bitcoin, basically making the observation that the only reason you ever heard of Dwolla in the first place is because of Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: Tomatocage on January 16, 2014, 06:52:56 AM
Dwolla had their chance and they blew it. Have fun playing in the analog world.


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: happygeorge on January 16, 2014, 06:58:28 AM
Just for fun, I goole news-ed "Dwolla"  and found:

http://thenextweb.com/insider/2014/01/13/dwollas-head-partnerships-developer-evangelist-leave-form-new-ad-tech-startup/#!slt9V

They just changed the title to make is sound "not-so-badish"

https://i.imgur.com/QacTa2U.png


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: happygeorge on January 16, 2014, 07:02:05 AM
Andreas Antonopolous put it best on an episode of Let's Talk Bitcoin, basically making the observation that the only reason you ever heard of Dwolla in the first place is because of Bitcoin.

That's EXACTLY how I would put it! Because it is/was true!!!!

The only reason I looked them up was because I am about to unsubscribe from their Newsletter, and I was curious to see what I am saying "NO MORE!" to...

NO MORE DWOLLA, thanks, but NO THANKS!


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: CatCoin on January 16, 2014, 07:34:47 AM
I use Dwolla, but only because I despise Paypal.


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: happygeorge on January 16, 2014, 07:41:29 AM
I use Dwolla, but only because I despise Paypal.

For "Bitcoin" buy/sells?


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: CatCoin on January 16, 2014, 08:12:59 AM
I use Dwolla, but only because I despise Paypal.

For "Bitcoin" buy/sells?
No, I meant in general for online payments.


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: Matt Y on January 16, 2014, 09:07:13 AM
Surprising how much hate Dwolla gets. They are trying to do good things for people and I think they will succeed.


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: Liquid on January 16, 2014, 10:25:59 AM
Pretty much made another fork  ::)


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: dissident on January 16, 2014, 11:06:41 AM
free advertising, considering I didn't know what 'dwolla' was before you posted this thread.


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: BitCoinDream on January 16, 2014, 12:56:39 PM
free advertising, considering I didn't know what 'dwolla' was before you posted this thread.

Same here. This is the first time I have encountered something called dwolla and I thought the the OP mis-spelled dollar !!!


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: bigb159 on January 16, 2014, 01:18:48 PM
free advertising, considering I didn't know what 'dwolla' was before you posted this thread.

Same here. This is the first time I have encountered something called dwolla and I thought the the OP mis-spelled dollar !!!

Dwolla is dollar with a Bwoston accent.
Dwolla used to process USD cashouts of MtGox, I believe, but hung a bunch of people out to dry somewhere along the road and dropped Bitcoin altogether.


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: bitpop on January 16, 2014, 01:40:25 PM
They ALMOST made it.


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: happygeorge on January 18, 2014, 03:25:26 PM
free advertising, considering I didn't know what 'dwolla' was before you posted this thread.

ooops.... oh well...may the best system win! :)


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: bitpop on January 18, 2014, 03:56:39 PM
Dumbass dwolla wanted to charge me a monthly fee to use the mobile app! Lolllll


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: Littleshop on January 18, 2014, 05:58:44 PM
They ALMOST made it.

With billion dollar buyouts happening all the time in techland they should have kept with Bitcoin long enough and leveraged the checkout process for storefronts like Paypal offer merchants an alternative to 2% payouts.  Basically paypal without the credit cards and therefore less chargebacks for them and no fees.  They could have classified virtual currency trades differently and had HIGHER fees for them and the community would have stuck with them. 

I think they could have raised their tiny fee 8x (for over $100 transactions) and the Bitcoiners would have kept using them.  They could have also mandated higher/longer holdbacks on Bitcoin sellers and implemented some simple anti fraud actions to make it all be profitable for them.  Highly profitable. 

They then could have sold for multi-billion dollars to Google.  Easily. 


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: bitpop on January 18, 2014, 06:00:55 PM
They ALMOST made it.

With billion dollar buyouts happening all the time in techland they should have kept with Bitcoin long enough and leveraged the checkout process for storefronts like Paypal offer merchants an alternative to 2% payouts.  Basically paypal without the credit cards and therefore less chargebacks for them and no fees.  They could have classified virtual currency trades differently and had HIGHER fees for them and the community would have stuck with them.  

I think they could have raised their tiny fee 8x (for over $100 transactions) and the Bitcoiners would have kept using them.  They could have also mandated higher/longer holdbacks on Bitcoin sellers and implemented some simple anti fraud actions to make it all be profitable for them.  Highly profitable.  

They then could have sold for multi-billion dollars to Google.  Easily.  

They didn't have much choice though. The government seized some bank accounts.

They could have quickly pivoted to become a Bitcoin exchange. They could be the Coinbase. So I don't feel bad for them.


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: proudhon on January 18, 2014, 06:17:21 PM
It's a little unfair to compare a payments company with an entire distributed consensus ledger.  Here's a more balanced comparison.

https://i.imgur.com/5nA6Tdy.png


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: meanig on January 18, 2014, 06:18:58 PM
Ben Milne (the Dwolla CEO) never liked Bitcoin because he wasn't in charge of it. End of story.


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: rext on January 18, 2014, 06:36:38 PM
Poor dwolla


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: Raghnar on January 18, 2014, 08:20:14 PM
I didn't bother to close my Dwolla acct but I never do anything with it now and when they send me emails, I treat them as spam and delete immediately.  Maybe the fed gov't pressured them, but I still view them as enemy to bitcoin and they bailed on us, so forget them.


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: Enkel on January 18, 2014, 10:11:13 PM
I didn't bother to close my Dwolla acct but I never do anything with it now and when they send me emails, I treat them as spam and delete immediately.  Maybe the fed gov't pressured them, but I still view them as enemy to bitcoin and they bailed on us, so forget them.

Same here. I used it at first, then dumped it pretty quickly. Had totally forgotten about them until I came across this thread.


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: jubalix on January 18, 2014, 10:24:04 PM
dwolla refused my aud dollars in 2011....I will forever remember this


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: fallout330 on January 18, 2014, 11:32:32 PM
I used Dwolla to send funds to Campbx back in the summer of 2013, a couple times, without any issues.  What options are there now to send funds to BTC exchanges, online?

It was Dwolla---->Campbx---->blockchain.info................any recommendations now?

Thanks


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: bluemeanie1 on January 18, 2014, 11:36:59 PM
dwolla refused my aud dollars in 2011....I will forever remember this

wait until they install Bitcoin Blacklists and you'll start having the same fun experiences with Bitcoin too.


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: deepceleron on January 19, 2014, 02:29:15 AM
Ben Milne (the Dwolla CEO) never liked Bitcoin because he wasn't in charge of it. End of story.

... didn't like Bitcoin because it exposed how little these midwest college students knew about banking, and then Dwolla defrauded exchanges and users when they were charged back by banks and therefore got sued.


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: greenlion on January 20, 2014, 06:06:41 AM
On the subject of trash-talking Dwolla, Ben Milne's blog is absolutely terrifying. The biggest show of sock-sniffing narcissism I've ever seen.


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: tvbcof on January 20, 2014, 06:27:42 AM
Ben Milne (the Dwolla CEO) never liked Bitcoin because he wasn't in charge of it. End of story.

... didn't like Bitcoin because it exposed how little these midwest college students knew about banking, and then Dwolla defrauded exchanges and users when they were charged back by banks and therefore got sued.

Not only did he flat out rob Tradehill while he libeled them in the media, but he also likened Bitcoin to a truckload of rotting vegetables back when I was buying with both hands (late 2011.)  The only thing I have to say to Ben Milne is:

  "To go.  And a couple packs of salt and mustard to please.  No, not honey-mustard...the plain yellow stuff."



Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: eleuthria on January 20, 2014, 06:58:11 AM
Dwolla was a fun ride.  They were the fastest and cheapest way to get money out of MtGox for a long time.  It basically only got off the ground due to Bitcoin, as much as they refuse to admit it.  I remember when they were putting out PR releases about the growth of their service over the last year (this was mid-2011), and had a chart and timeline about events that lead to their growth.  They didn't include Bitcoin.  

Want to know what mirrored their graph?  The USD volume on MtGox.  Their *entire* growth was from Bitcoin related transactions.


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: bitpop on January 20, 2014, 12:40:54 PM
I wanted to use dwolla with family and friends but they wanted a monthly fee for the mobile app!

So I switched to Google wallet and square cash. Soon Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Dwolla vs Bitcoin (Hey Dwolla, feeling the PAIN?)
Post by: happygeorge on January 22, 2014, 12:28:22 AM
It's a little unfair to compare a payments company with an entire distributed consensus ledger.  Here's a more balanced comparison.

https://i.imgur.com/5nA6Tdy.png


I guess you are right... and I did forget that the Gov't had a hand in all the Dwolla/Bitcoin crap... anyhow... my connection to dwolla is now severed