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I read a couple news about price manipulations, it's a real thing and new to me, so sorry if it sounds newbie.

I am still trying to understand how this manipulation works. This could be the main reason for what is happening to prices now ?

I barely doubt that they are manipulating the prices. The price is directly proportional to the investment made into the market so I think they are not manipulative at all.

Yes you can say that there could be the pump and dump activities going on but this time it is surely not that one. This is because form the whole market more than 42 billions dollars have been wiped out and thats not the amount anyone can have at this moment for dumping it.

Exchangers are completely decentralised so I barely doubt that they might be doing anything like this. If one exchanger does that then there could be huge difference on that particular one as compared to the others.

Recently found that CMC were found manipulating the bitcoin prices by giving fake details about the coins prices but I never heard that exchanges manipulating the prices bit it may happen too so we need to check the prices in multiple exchange before trading any coins.

Yes, the main exchange that is always manipulating the prices is HitBTC, they have bots in there to manipulate the price of almost every pair in there (there are a lot of theories on the internet) and no, bots are not from users, they are from the website by itself

Yeah that could be the best way to go around this. I mean you can always find the ways to see if the details are fake or not. Checking on multiple exchangers as well as staying connected with the official website can be a way out to keep track of actual prices.

Also CMC is the website who actually takes out the average of multiple exchangers and depending upon the results it will give the price tag to it. So CMC can be wrong all the time if exchanger started manipulating the prices.

Few months back this has been taking place in different exchanges. Due to the fake volume the value kept pumping and the same led to a inspection from the people's bank of China. Once after that the price was found declining and the fake volume issue came to an end marking an end to the fake volume of exchanges.

I think manipulation is currently going on. I noticed a coin was of very low price in cmc but on exchanges it is not some price. It is higher in the exchange with about $2 more. I couldn't explain that and thus didn't buy that coin.

As far as I know, some crypto-exchange exchanges manipulate the indicator of trading volume in their own interests. It's not about deviations from the behavior of players related to the difference in the market, but about the artificial overestimation of the indicator to 95% of the real values. Among such exchanges, there is the most popular Okex with a volume of 1.7 billion. Falsification is also taking place on another exchange Huobi, which is the second largest in the popularity rating.

That could be bad if they are doing it right now as it is affecting the market adversely. However I do know one thing that, exchanges wont do it as it would be their own loss in the market. I mean look at the market right now, it is dropping in trading volume rather than getting the hikes and thus it could worsen the situation over the exchanger itself and they will loose the customer focus too. So the next question is why would they will do it. Will they really go to that worst level to make themselves a loss.

I am not sure about this but I think this is possible because in the market, there are too many people and I am sure that some of them are the big whales which have much bitcoin and altcoin. they can easily to increase and decrease the price and they can move the price to wherever they want but I don't think that they can always do this because they need to face with thousands of traders which is a trade in the same exchange and the whales cannot handle so many things. but I think the price now is related to what is happening in the market so although it's because of the price manipulations, we could still make a profit from this.

what you hear these days is only because price has been falling otherwise manipulation has existed from early days and in fact manipulate exists in any other market even the big and regulated markets. it is something inevitable. but these days only because people love drama during drops the media is filled with the talk about manipulations and how everyone is being ripped off. but when the manipulation is on the rising side nobody says a word about it.

They need a huge amount of money inorder to manipulate a single coin. They must have a huge amount of BTC in different exchange site.  And make simultenous dump or pump of a certain coin to create manipulation.

I feel that the price is very manipulated right now and since then i feel it's manipulated because good indicators with a strong pattern is mostly a 90% chance of it actually being accurate and if it's not accurate it seems it's manipulated.

Its possible to manipulate the price by the exchanges, we don't really know the real situation inside their company. The price is currently dumping so I think, someone is trying to dump the price again and buy more and manipulate the price way up and sold their holdings. This is the trend now I think, but in long run the price will still go higher than what we expect.

They may manipulate it via bots, but that is probably made for little coins not for bitcoin, it is hard to manipulate big coins' prices. But such kind of manipulations have been always made.

I really dont understand how exchange possible to manipulate the price of BTC, as we know BTC listed in all crypto exchange. Only possible to manipulate coin or token that listed in 1 exchange only. In my opinion BTC price can be manipulate only by whales.

I did’nt heared something like this before and i don’t think exchages manipulate prices of crypto. However social media sites and other sites in the web creating these “manipulation” thing as a FUD to create doubt on people who are new to crypto and newbie investors to get rid of crypto. But if that really exists it is a bad thing to know.

There were some rumors about Bitfinex before that it add extra USDT before , I think that was the reason which exchanges are immigrating from usdt to usd and tusd , USDT got some issues and it acted shady in some cases ,I try not to use that currency.

I don't believe crypto currency exchange manipulate coins market value in any way and for the fact that the of the one coin value on exchange A is different from what is obtainable in another or B exchange doesn't mean there is manipulation of currency.

I don't know, and it's impossible for any of us to say if the price is being manipulated or not. We do know that the U.S. Justice Department had open a criminal probe in order to investigate if the price is being manipulated or not. I have no idea how they will carry that investigation, but I guess we just need to keep an eye on how everything resolves.

I guess that there are some pump and dump schemes, but those should not be enough for BTC, because although bitcoin market is not huge, I would say it's big enough to be protected from that. Unless exchanges itself were doing it, since they do hold huge amounts of coins. Regulation is closing on them though, so if these things happen, and with the U.S. Justice Department getting involved as well, I would say that things should start getting better now.

It will be hard for them to manipulate price especially those coins that are listed in multiple exchanges, I don't think exchanges were capable of doing it since it will make their company less trusted. It will only be applicable if they are on top holders of that coin that can control it, but it will be always applicable for there are too many coins to prioritize with.

You know that an exchanges is a marketplace to bridge between buyer and seller
I don't think it exchange are manipulating price, because you can see the price on other exchanges.

As a matter of fact crypto-exchanges are best positioned to profit from front running: they can insert their own buy order before a trader’s large buy order and sell the purchased asset right after the trader’s order is executed.
The trader ends up paying more for his purchase and the exchange has pocketed a substantial profit piggybacking on the trader. Most of the times the orders which you put by mistake like 20-30% above/below the market prices in buy/sell respectively are completed by bot orders only.

Indeed, the bot inside those exchange will make traders make a huge mistakes, there's a type of trading where traders are finding ways for a lesser risk, arbitrage trading can really attract people to take advantage without knowing or noticing that it can also be some bot that tricking them to place orders and become a victim when value start to down fall again, just get that logic coming from this statement and it's a proof that exchange can deal with this type of actions, a simple moneymaking tools for their business.

Never noticed the manipulation of the token exchange rate on the top-level crypto-exchange exchanges. If you are worried about this, you can use the decentralized IDEX exchange, I think it's impossible to do it there.

Maybe I'm too naive, but... Don't you think that if they could actually manipulate the price, they would do this with their own coins first? I mean coins of the exchanges, such as BNC (Binance coin) or AURA (IDEX token). And even though IDEX is a decentralized exchange, they still can manage all of the traidings on the platform, no one has doubts about this, I hope.

Some of it definitely looks fake like the new claims about 1.6 bil daily volume, there are a lot of reports, not sure how reliable https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/83mi8r/okex_fakes_90_of_its_volume_huobi_80_cmc_has_also/

Is just not possible buyers and sellers are the ones manipulating it and then maybe if some project decide some buyback strategies or anyway to up their prices

Probably whales are manipulating market prices and this is the time when they buy. and will hold the money injection for the coin to rise again, I think we should hold and wait for a reasonable price to sell.

In 2011 when BTC tradeable, exchange has posibility to manipulate the price of BTC because in that times there are only 1 or 2 exchange but now in the market already more than 200 exchange so i think not possible for exchange to manipulate the price of BTC. And people who possible to do that is whales and early adopter who bought BTC in cheap price in 2010 to 2011.

Exactly, I think, you can see that there are very few countries in the world that recognize and circulate legally, which is the same as the price of bitcoin is not controlled by the government. As a result, exchanges and sharks will probably be able to control the price of bitcoins and other coin. You will find it hard to make a profit in the market at the moment.

If we will talk about general prices of altcoins its not they can make profits with every trades buy and sells on every traders account. In Bitcoin there is a possibility but not all exchange can do it, there is only a certain big exchanges like Cboe and nasdaq i don't know but they can manipulate it.

I think this will not happen, even though big exchanges are whales in the crypto market. But they will not want Bitcoin and altcoin prices to drop as this could cause them to lose a lot of money

The exchange always adjusts prices so that the most reasonable. So the exchange will never manipulate the market price. If big exchanges like Binance or Bittrex want to manipulate market prices, they can manipulate easily

I think not. Exchanges are holding a lot of Bitcoin and altcoin in the world. If they want to manipulate the price of the market then probably the market has increased a lot and not decreased in the past few months.

to some extent, they are involved in it by pumping and dumping strategies but the main reason is regulations news and miners trying to wipe away small miners. so let's see whats next in crypto

I am not sure about this but I think this is possible because in the market, there are too many people and  they can easily to increase and decrease the price and they can move the price to wherever they want butwhich is a trade in the same exchange and the whales cannot handle so many things.investigate if the price is being manipulated or not.

I believe exchanges are not fair in their dealings, their main aim is to make profit in somehow or other. They don't care about investors, in some exchanges they are even manipulating things.

From what I now tell the point I am right now, every guy who would have a significant amount of particular currency can make manipulations of the price on the exchange. One friend of mine has a big amount of coins and he performed that successfully.

I think exchanges has no capital and no capability to manipulate the market. And only billionaires can control the market.

There are always price manipulations, but I don't think it's an exchange that pull the strings. There are market makers who are playing their games with it on the exchanges.

Atleast they are only funding but not directly manipulating market,though i believe that manipulation is really happening and its by the whales i know theres no concrete evidence about this but United States are into this as i have read in thread that they are forming a investogation team to look about this issue and to stop the future activities.if does then market will be healthy again without other doubt

You can always look at the coinmarketcap because the prices of each bitcoins are always compared on different exchangers so we can get the legitimate price of bitcoins today.

In my own opinion, they will not be able to manipulate the market prices because the price is always depending on the supply and demand so you can compare the market's highest price where you can trade depending on where you will be getting more advantage.

I do not think so. Exchange helps to make prices more stable

I do not think so exchanging help prices more stable

I think the exchanges have nothing to do with the price manipulation but instead the big whales and some group that are conspiring to create a price market movement. Manipulating the price is very much possible of these people because of the huge resources at their disposal in which they will pump the market to attract more people to invest and when the market is already much expensive then they will suddenly to sell their coins.

I think not ! For me , Traders are the manipulator of the prices of cryptocurrencies in the exchange/s. They are the once who buy and sell altcoins , that's why I am saying that Exchanges are not the manipulators, it is the Crypto traders.

Just like anyone here. I don't think exchanges has the ability and resources to manipulate the market. They will need allot of money before they can manipulate it.

Price manipulations will not affect the market the way it is right now!  I think what is happening is beyond price manipulation, it will not be easy to dump billions of cryptocurrency on exchange! At least I'm yet to see a person with billons of cryptocurrency in his or her wallet!

Price manipulation do exist not only into this market but the same into other industry as well as long there are big players in the market which do have the capability on manipulating prices then its just normal to have these dudes to exist into this field and crypto market isn't on the exception list and since we do talk about exchanger if we do try to look up some coins are being pumped up in an instant either on 10x to thousand times and then suddenly dumped.

Now there are more than 200 crypto exchange so i think not possible for that exchange to manipulate the price of mayor coin like Bitcoin and Ethereum. In my opinion the more possible to manipulate the price is token or coin that listed in 1 exchange only and this coin will be easy to manipulate by their team developer by push the price and then dump it.

An insider can manipulate the price since they are capable of knowing which coin will be listed. Remember the Coinbase incident where a suspected insider trading happened when Coinbase listed Bitcoin cash, that one is possible. But having an exchange site participate in such an act will tarnish their name and will put not only the brand but also the people behind it.

I think users will tend to manipulate this market more because the exchange they have received great profits from users. Personally, I am very careful about this situation and always consider selling as soon as I get the best profit because this market is in very dangerous period.

The exchanges can manipulate the price of coins just to make huge profit.
We have heard many icos developers saying exchange charge them high fees,force them to work with bot ,some market makers and deposit some of their tokens/coins if they want their coins/ token to be listed.
The exchange directors also tell them the need for trading using bot pointing that it helps in boosting the volume of a coin.
The question is if those exchange are not supporting bot why would a coin hit 500% at its initial lunch only to fall to -600% or more?
We have heard that some exchange don't give real account of its volume of trade.
To make the matter worse,the exchange dump the tokens given to them by the ico developers,and this ugly trend result in manipulation.
If you watch exchange sees the volume,and this help them to manipulate the price using bot via placing fake buy orders nobody is ready to fill.
Some ico developers giving in to this because its investors are desperate to list on big exchange instead of building the product of that project.
We have heard that some exchange give reported volume not the real volume of trade on its exchange.
So,exchange are manipulating the price and it is high time regulation is put in place to checkmate their irregularities.

The market of crypto currency is just emerging, but already, like any other market where securities are traded, it is subject to manipulation by large players.

Exchanges are just platform for traders to exchange BTC\ALTS\USD , actually what happening now is just some old enough traders cashing out for long time investment in bitcoin or altcoins .
 

I don't think that there is an exchange that manipulates prices. I am more inclined that people who have lots of assets or certain groups will be able to manipulate prices. A manipulator aims to take advantage of the extraordinary panic conditions experienced by the Public. This will be very detrimental to many people and that is the chance for a manipulator to take advantage !! A price manipulator is an irresponsible person, he has a bad way of working by destroying the lives of many people.

I don't know if the exchanges are manipulating price now.But in the past it has been proved that some exchanges like Poloniex have manipulated the price by atrificailly trading /pumping non existent btc with USDT .The usdt was non existing in the reserves,but they still buy as much tc as they can with bots,by increasing price for every transaction till they brought the btc price from few hundred dollars to some $6k.It has been investigated and documented by many analysts (don't want to post external links.You can Google to find facts)

I think this is done by some parties, those who have big capital can set prices as they please, that's sometimes the price in each market is different, but I don't think all the prices of coins in the market can be manipulated,

It's not a secret anymore, manipulation is part of this business. I have noticed that exchange tends to freeze their platforms just before important news which can create big price moves.

If the exchanges manipulate prices, then most likely this does not significantly affect the global market, I think the price depends on other factors. It is more likely that just now the processes of adopting the digital currency are going on as a really good and reliable payment mechanism. Crypto currency is a big competitor to states and banks - I think this is the case.