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Hy all
Sorry to say this over here if I have made a mistake. but have just reasoning if Bitcointalk.org can just do a promo every year by upgrading of ranks, suggesting if any rank will be upgraded the account should get to 5 to 8 months old in bitcointalk.org before upgrading to next rank. Usually from newbies to Jr.member should be normal upgrades and then from Jr.member to any other ranks should be 8months or 10months before upgrading them.

Here are my opinion what do you about this
Please I need your answers let keeps the ranks moving.

What a nice suggestion! It keeps wondering me if I would ever made it to member in this forum let alone ranking to full member or senior member with the kind of upgrading system bitcointalk.org adopts. Where on earth would a member get 100 merits to become a full member when some higher ranked members are stingy of their merits.

The Merit system is broken, very few people actually send merit to valuable posts, the vast majority of it gets circulated between old timers who know eachother personally on

the forum, and it doesn't help that most of these guys are on the Bitcoin related forums;

so while altcoin proponents now probably outnumber the Bitcoin maximalists, the merit distribution is disproportionately in favor of Bitcoin sympathizers...

Yeah i agree that new merit system has prohibited new members to gain timely ranks, so it is an excellent and workable suggestion that if an account fails to earn required number of merit points in a year to advance to the next rank, he will be automatically promoted to next rank after one year of activity according to forum rules,
I hope forum administrators and moderators will have serious look over this suggestion and hopefully will implement it.

I support this 100%. Leaving the upgrading of rank to the high ranked in the forum is nothing to write home about. This is where politics comes in. Some high ranked members are so stingy of giving out merit to those who actually merited it with a meaningful post while giving it to a post that doesn't contribute to this forum simply because he knows the ops. We should go back to the old grading system where rank is merited by your activity. That is my take.

It will still create spamm in the forum with people duplicating account ,and waiting for months to get upgrade. The merit system is the only way to check bad post and force members to strive harder for rank upgrade

i want my rank to increase oo what should i do

All kind of forum related suggestion and doubts you could write the thread on the meta section mate. I would like to suggest to go with the merits system. After we saw the merit system has been enabled we are seeing the reduction of spamming more.

However these idea is good suggestion for the forum structure. Hope your idea will taken care by admin. Before that move this thread to meta section.

What it has to do with the Altcoin Discussion? Move this to Meta.

You are already a Full Member (which you are not worth of) and you made it literally by spamming the forum with one liner shitposts. You can never increase your rank unless you change your posting quality.
 Edit : Since this topic has been moved to Meta, congrats buddy you have made your first post outside your Altcoin spam board

There are already a handful of quality posters who became Full Members by receiving 100 merits. Try doing research and comment.

There are lots of bounty spammers with large number of accounts, if this was implemented they would rise in ranks too...

Its because people like you haven't still started posting meaningful posts.

You are being paid for your posts. Why don't you post something really good if you are being paid?

The new merit system actually encourages people, especially the new and jr member accounts to make more productive comments so the quality should not compromised. However it does not have anyway to control the behavior of high level accounts, so I think they need to figure out something about that as well.

I support your view that accounts should be upgraded automatically for more than 6 months. This will not cause the abuse of false accounts. Many newbie have not been upgraded. This will hurt the enthusiasm of new people in the community, and it will be bad for the development of the forum.

Merit system doesn't encourage me at all. All I see is that the system doesn't work as it was intended. The number of spam messages haven't decreased so much. But to get a higher rank will take almost eternity now.

Pretty much truth although the merit distribution was broken down and a fair amount of them are given in altcoins;sad to say those points are given to thread creators and not content creators. What can you do though, don't complain about the system move on and lead a life that doesn't focus on bitcointalk.org as the nucleus of your day.

I support your thoughts. Getting 10 merits to become a Member is so hard though you are posting quality posts. How much more getting 100 merits to become Full member?. To ranked up with existing merit system is really just a dream nowadays. Happy for those early birds on this forum as it is advantage for them. I think merit sytem must be demolished and introduced new ranks in order to top ranked not be overtakes by new comers instead of freezing the ranking system. Distribution of merits is actually unfair as others giving sMerits to their personally known account owner and to those having multiple account gives to themselves.

Of course Bitcointalk is not the nucleus of anything :), but bear in mind that especially in bullish markets people could make a fortune just out of Bounty Hunting on this website,

and the amounts earned / month were typically higher than even the competitive salaries in many developing countries, so there is tremendous value embedded in this forum,

and enriching talented and intellectual people from disadvantaged nations matches very well with the liberating anarchocapitalistic spirit of CryptoCurrencies.

I see that you already have activity 95 and absolutely no merit. Earlier, before the introduction of the system of merit, you would be able to get the rank of full member in a month. It turns out that you write only low-quality messages, no one has given you any merit. I think, in a few years, when you do not get to the rank of full member, you change your mind about this system of merit.
In general, I have previously thought about this. I waited for people to ripen to such an idea. If someone does not want others to quickly reach high ranks in this forum, you can simply extend the time between ranks. This vseravno will be better than actually prohibit their promotion at all, leaving only loopholes for their own.

That is true, also I am afraid of sending merits, because when I send some merit to someone then I'm suspected of multiaccounting...

Good suggestion but I think it has majour flaw, there are thousands of account here that have not been opened for years, that means automatically those accounts too would be upgraded to new rank, the recent merit deployed is affecting alot of people  and need to be reviewed but not to this

According to merit system there is no time table to change their rank. If someone have adequate activity count but no merit then he/she will not be fit for upgraded membership. Also if someone has merits but no activity rank then he/she would not be upgraded member. To be upgraded member must need merit as well as activity point. If you have 1000 activity but 0 merit then you will have on jr. membership.

No, it won't happen at any odds, because your suggestion is totally contrasting the original purposes of Merit System.
I don't think Theymos will take your ideas into consideration at any probabitly.
Merit system launched to keep shitty posters stucked at lower ranks in the forum and has performed well several months after its start.

The Merit system works exactly the way it was intended: only people with good posts are allowed to rank up. Do you want proof? This thread is filled with people complaining about the fact that they can't rank up anymore. It's not the first topic in which low rank users without merit make all kinds of suggestions to go back to the way it was before the introduction of Merit.

Can you link the post where he says that?

Bitcoin Talk is a meritocracy
https://www.wired.com/insights/2014/10/meritocracy/

When you start to work for an organisation, you may begin by sweeping the floor, but you can't expect to become the managing director just because you have been there for 5 years. The organisation wouldn't flourish if most of its staff were managing directors.

You're right, being here in this forum is a privilege not a right. Ergo, we should contribute to the system in order for it to survive.

Being a members it's our responsibilities to keep it safe from being abused but sadly only few know it's significance.

In the long run, we all gonna suffer the consequences of our foolishness.

If OP, really has the heart to make the forum better and in quality then he would not complain and suggest any obvious suggestion of a lazy person. Merit is merit, be an admin and you'll change rules implemented. I have the freedom to speak and so do you.

That makes no sense whatsoever.  I'd also point out that most of the merit abuse occurs between alt accounts, and it's usually low-ranked members and not the good 'ol boys' club like you claim.  I've seen plenty of older members meriting lower-ranked ones, myself included.  Yes indeed I've merited Legendaries, but I happen to like their posts better in general and I have certainly tried to give merits to newer members.  That claim that merit passes between old-timer friends just doesn't pass the smell test.

As far as the OP goes, I'm not quite sure what he's suggesting--seems like a minimum time frame between ranks?  Whatever it is, it's probably not going to happen.  When Theymos implemented the merit system, I suspect he did so with the intention not to make any major changes to it for quite some time.  As I've stated before, we're all lucky he created it in the first place.  It took a lot happening on the forum to get him to do it.

Well, this is a bitcoin forum, so it's not a surprise for me...

I hope it won't change. If a fixed or maximum time frame (even a year) will be introduced for the rank up process, the account farmers will farm a lot of account for a year and they will surely rank up to the next level, so this won't stop the spam here...

You have to forget about merits and ranks. Just enjoy your time here spent on reading and educating yourself. Finally when you learn how to post correctly, quality content you will see merits slowly parking in your account. Especially if you create some useful content like guide or summary.

OP will never rank up when there is a lack of knowledge and writing skills. Merit system already reduced spam, account farming and encouraged members to be much more creative. I see much more quality answers and interesting discussions.

The merit system is good and works perfectly. Only people who always try to abuse the system should be blamed. Not merit system, not Theymos because he tries to grow this forum in a healthy way or members who were lucky to achieve higher ranks before merit system was introduced.

OP you have to accept this and move forward with your Bitcointalk account. If you can't then the best thing you can do is to search for another crypto related forum where you can still rank fast enough. There is plenty of them and few best ones even run bounty campaigns similar or even same as on BTT. I advise you to do it quickly because all crypto related forums are growing fast, especially with bounty listings. They will introduce additional requirements (like merits) very soon when user base grows significantly.

Just forget it and concentrate on getting merits. Merit system will stay because it doing good for the forum and stopped creating multiple accounts and farming them. People will still spam as this is requirements of signature campaigns (not spamming, but posting not less than N posts). Who cares that most of the members stopped ranking up? It's not hurting the forum anyhow, even if I (and 99% of others) stay as Member forever, I'll still stay in this forum posting every day.

You are wrong, perhaps looking on some data (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4361107.0) will change your mind. Merit is doing it's job just fine regardless a minor number of abusive members using it for their own interest. Every system has a System Loss which is completely ok.

That would have been a good approach but I don't think that will be happening because the merit system seems to be working or so everyone says. And if the merit system is working, there won't be need for other alternatives to rank upgrading.

It is a good one idea,100% i agree with this! Those who have efforts while participating the bitcointalk forum for a long time period,they will have an assurance of ranking up even it will takes a long time.

So I'm waiting for something to finish downloading, I thought to use this time to tell you that you're wrong. It's gonna be a good one tho.

It's not. With those posts, probably not. On this forum and no they're not.

It's not, works 99% as intended. Give me usernames of those users. Because altcoin discussion (just as bitcoin discussion) is spam.

Because most have no posts to be merited on. No it's not and what's the purpose of merit then? They won't and they won't.

Not write posts like that, mainly.

It's nonsense. What? That's just make account farming available again. What? That's because most of them are in for the bounties or simply spam. If they are not ready to improve themselves, well... bad news for them.

Yeah, I can see that. It works just as intended, you're just salty. "so much" still something, right? Probably will if you're not ready to improve and accept the fact that merit is here to stay.

Oh c'mon, you've got merit so you know you can write good posts, even I have merited you before for helping me out. It's a bad idea btw. He did, really? This one's fine imo.


You're here for one month. So what's stopping you?


REALITY CHECK: You're all just greedy and want everything right at this moment without any effort. None of you are as good as you think. Merit is working as intended. Improve and think about what you're posting. There are no shortcuts here, your posts just don't stand out at all and have no significance.

Also, I still have some sMerit left (keeping it for cases like these) to prove you a point. Reply here or send me a link of your post that you think deserves merit. And here's the catch: You either can't find one at all, it's not worth merit or it's actually worth some merit. Now, if there's anyone who gets merited from this post, that'll prove to you that it's possible to write quality posts and rank up.




sorry for the long post, everyone.

Are you sure what you're posting are quality posts? I checked your last posts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1939791;sa=showPosts;start=0) and 95% of them are on Spam mega threads. Don't get me wrong, I also post there (requirement for signature campaign of course), but if you stop posting there and post somewhere else where posts are actually being read, then you might have some slight chance of getting into member, and even Full Member if people think you're really helpful.

Nope. If you really get the whole point of this Merit system then this is also an advantage for newbies. Why? Being a high-ranked member despite of getting caught in this merit system means that you're a well-established member. And if you're a well-established member, you'd be respected and be trusted by many.


Uhm, another nope. Let's say these multiple account owner have been doing this. Eventually, they'll run out of sMerits to give and still resort to contributing to the forum for merits. Also, if you look at the merit stats (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats), merit sources, high-ranks, and even some medium to low ranks are distributing their merit very well. Well deserve posts will eventually receive merits.

On my opinion, merit system was implemented to stop people from making a new account for:

1. Selling high ranking accounts.
2. Abusing signature campaign with different alts.
3. Stop making people think that they could go from zero to hero in due time with their sh*t posts.

For your suggestion, maybe I could add something:

1. Newbie to Full Member ranks will be a long duration of time ( I won't do any math here).
2. Only people with Full Member rank and higher must be dealing with merits in order to rank up. (EDITED)
3. If those above mentioned is impossible, why not make it possible for users with only one account?

TBH, merit system made me read some of the posts or threads here, and high quality posters must be valued somehow.

But don't lose hope, this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0) is not yet stickied! - hope is lost!

It doesn't need to be stickied as it's already been put in other stickies. I'm not sure what you mean by full members should be the only one to deal with merits. I think the current system which allows anyone to send sMerit as long as they've received some themselves is a fair enough system.

Thanks for pointing it out! What I meant was - Only full members and higher must be affected by the new ranking system if it's only a single account user who doesn't use VPN or another IP, if it's only possible.

This is the best idea so far, I think is the right they looks about merit stuff to see how they can upgrade someone.
Thank man

Spamming is frowned at by the forum moderators and often leads to ban. So I do not think this idea is bad. It is very frustrating to realize that you can never rank up irrespective of what you post, as it is looking like now, because the powers that be prefer giving ranks to friends and associates and not for quality posts.

well to my greatest supprise about this merit of a thing, with what i m seeing best idea is what you just said about this yearly stuff. at least upgrade once in a year from Jr the rest Rank should be upgraded once they hit a in the forum without waiting for any merit this will multivate user to post and work harder than just merited once.

hy all
sorry to interfair for this, although i m new here but i want say that merit is meant to given at the end of the year or some months interval that is mid year. that is a very good idea

It has been really interesting to read the complete thread.
In conclusion, there are two different types of person in here:
- Forever Juniors, or Forever members: people who actually just post in their bounties, trying to digging the forum and receive some bucks. I guess most of them actually dreams with ranking-up do they can earn more money.
- Seniors and people seeking knowledge. Yep, there are some newbies earning merits in here, too. But, usually, they are not asking for them, but trying to create some good posts, to help others, and so.
Even if you are wearing a signature, the compromise with the forum must exist. There is not just a place to earn some bucks in the shape of a crypto, to copy paste everything you feel that is going to give you some underserved merits or to complain about the system. Yeah, you can find a "job" in here, maybe, but this is not excluding at all that you need to use the brain in each post you write.

The "meritocracy" Jet Cash was mentioning is the best way to describe the forum. Notice there are millions (!!!!) of users in here (maybe much less are actives, but, still, that's is a lot!). This is a very competitive place, and merits are made to make a difference between those who actually "shine" and the rest. Notice there are many users, even some that registered their accounts after the OP did, who have earned tons of merits. Why? Simple. They didn't come in here, joined a bounty and began to spam the forum with their reports and their "Good, thanks, sir". They just came in here and made the difference, by tons of effort, by teaching us, the seniors good and new stuff, by refreshing the site with their mere presence.
So the merit system is just showing up those users willing to make a difference through their hard work.
The rest, well, if you are not willing to make a difference, to learn, to read, to create something new, to tell us just something we can think about, to improve your attitude, you will become a "Forever Junior" or a "Forever member", if you are lucky enough and opened your account about a month before the merits system was implemented.

There is not "an easy way" (as the one you suggested) and this is not our duty to ease anybody's way. Besides, it will be truly unfair to ease the way now that many good users have spent time and dedication to rank-up and succeeded.
You have to choose: you can change your mindset about the forum, begin to learn, read, and try to write properly, try to, at least, say something that makes the people think, or, on the contrary, you can just still doing the way you are, with all those bounty reports and similar staff. If you choose the first, then you probably will rank-up because of your own effort; if you choose the second, you will remain as a "Forever Junior".

Think about the system. Is not far fairer this way? You can participate in here, you can also earn in here, as you are doing, with no effort, with no reflect, without contributing to the forum. You can, and you are doing this. And also, you can make contributions, if you will, you can write your thoughts, your relflections, enrolled into a gread debate, learn a lot, and, step by step, gain some merit as well as recognition from other users. Also, I strongly believe that now is far more easy to win some merits, for instance, now I merit newbies if I consider they have quite a good posting history and some effort in the merited thread. Before, I used to look for a great post, now I merit just good posts, for they are more rare and rare to say every day.

It is just your choice, mate. Just that.

The only thing you can do to increase your rank is to keep contributing to the forum and hoping maybe someone somewhere finds it attractive or worthwhile and merits it. Your rank can only increase as your merit points increases to the stipulated amount of merit required for each rank. Keep posting, contributing and hoping for the best.

You're absolutely right and when people try to point this out, older and higher ranked members will always try to suppress it with the notion that they also merit posts that are worth meriting. The merit system is human driven and humans by nature don't give freely they only give to their close pals or people they find doing their bidding. I think the system should be revisited and reviewed. It's not about stopping shit posting. I have always been of the opinion that merit should be done by the forum itself not individuals in the forum.

Your assassination is wrong and prejudiced. When you make such conclusions, you should be prepared to back up with facts. Merit system is working and people here reward quality contributions. It does not matter if such persons know themselves or not. What counts is the quality of the post.

Nothing hinders you, will join the team of people who know each other very well and to receive from them merit. Bitcoin enthusiasts are always welcome in our forum.

They are only a handful, compared with the number of people who post quality posts per time. There are many times I have wanted to award merits to a very good post, but my merits have been exhausted. And the post goes without being appreciated.

well i have nothing much to say about this rank of a thing because i m sure the system have been designed for a specific purpose, so we need to make some quality post in this forum.
now how much quality post do we have to make for our rank to increase or what else can we do it to rank up. i truly know that this system of merit will be open a day. as it's said "destiny maybe delay but it can never be changed" one day will all rank up the higher level.

If you have been posting regularly here for six months, and you haven't received any merit, then I think your posting restriction interval should be doubled. Upranking for making consistently low value posts won't improve your posting habits. Restricting your posting frequency may encourage you to make an effort.

yes that is true, you said it all we can now spend time to see the diference which i can make to put a change in this forum or to increease the learn system. i know that many are so bordered about the merit system one things is make we make a difference from others to keep forum standard not buy spaming and doing all such of inrelevants discussions.

thanks you so the impactation
i m willing to make a change and keeping standard.

I think this "flaw" is easily to be solved.   You just have to make a rule that the account must be active for at least a certain period of time (say 6 mos?).  Hence, those old accounts that are inactive will not rank up.