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Title: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: masterluc on January 27, 2014, 04:13:46 PM
http://top.rbc.ru/economics/27/01/2014/901833.shtml (Russian)


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: podyx on January 27, 2014, 04:14:58 PM
more fud??

people are really starting getting scared

$10k soon


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: Holliday on January 27, 2014, 04:16:15 PM
Bitcoin was designed with such things in mind.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: Dalmar on January 27, 2014, 04:18:41 PM
BTC-e is not really Russian right? But Bulgarian.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: maximum on January 27, 2014, 04:43:38 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wa9gq/central_bank_of_russia_post_comments_on_bitcoin/

i don't think its a ban


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: BitcoinAshley on January 27, 2014, 04:45:08 PM


Translation please?

(Sorry, but after proudhon's "confirmed chinese/russian language sources," one really must take these things with a grain of salt.)

Anywho - this is great for Bitcoin, if confirmed. First, it's interesting that a central bank would have the power to outright ban a private money/protocol, and that is bullish for bitcoin because it was designed by the tinfoilhat crypto-anarchists precisely as a way to circumvent that kind of bullshit. Second, central banks being scared of bitcoin is more proof that it's actually a big threat and not just a series of tulips. 

http://cdn.imghack.se/images/4b6ad5964369c69c1c66e5da6c25262c.jpg


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: knightcoin on January 27, 2014, 04:45:29 PM
http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1354600/dogecoin-meme.jpg


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: masterluc on January 27, 2014, 04:50:00 PM
In short: Central Bank of Russia prohibits any (really any) usage of Bitcoin and will treat it as criminal activity and terrorism support.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: magicmexican on January 27, 2014, 04:51:17 PM
Not a ban, just a usuall "warning" bla-bla-bla volatility bla-bla-bla stay away from it.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: davidorentol on January 27, 2014, 04:53:18 PM
http://www.cbr.ru/press/PR.aspx?file=27012014_1825052.htm     

google translate
Quote
Information

On the use in transactions "virtual currency ", in particular , Bitcoin


The Bank of Russia said that recently in the world have a certain distribution of the so -called "virtual currency " , in particular, Bitcoin . By "virtual currencies " and there is no provision for them legally obliged entities . These operations are speculative in nature, carried out on the so -called "virtual exchanges " and carry a high risk of loss of value.

The Bank of Russia warns citizens and legal entities , primarily credit institutions and non-credit financial institutions , the use of "virtual currency " for them in exchange for goods ( works, services) or cash in rubles and foreign currency.

According to article 27 of the Federal Law "On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia ) " issue in the Russian Federation monetary surrogates prohibited.

Due to the anonymous nature of the activity for the production of "virtual currency " unlimited range of actors and to use them for transactions citizens and legal persons may be , including unintentionally involved in illegal activities , including the legalization (laundering ) of proceeds from crime and terrorist financing .

The Bank of Russia has warned that Russian legal entities providing services for the exchange of "virtual currency " in rubles and foreign currency , as well as for goods (works , services ) will be considered as a potential involvement in the implementation of suspicious transactions in accordance with the legislation on counteraction to legalization (laundering ) proceeds of crime and financing of terrorism.

January 27, 2014

Using materials reference to the press service of the Bank of Russia is required .


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: masterluc on January 27, 2014, 04:54:41 PM
Not a ban, just a usuall "warning" bla-bla-bla volatility bla-bla-bla stay away from it.

From RBC source:

Coглacнo cт.27 фeдepaльнoгo зaкoнa "O Цeнтpaльнoм бaнкe Poccийcкoй Фeдepaции (Бaнкe Poccии)" выпycк нa тeppитopии PФ дeнeжныx cyppoгaтoв зaпpeщaeтcя.

According to paragraph 27 of Federal law "About Central bank of Russian Federation", emission of money surrogates is prohibited on territory of RF.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: Rannasha on January 27, 2014, 04:56:52 PM
Not a ban, just a usuall "warning" bla-bla-bla volatility bla-bla-bla stay away from it.

From RBC source:

Coглacнo cт.27 фeдepaльнoгo зaкoнa "O Цeнтpaльнoм бaнкe Poccийcкoй Фeдepaции (Бaнкe Poccии)" выпycк нa тeppитopии PФ дeнeжныx cyppoгaтoв зaпpeщaeтcя.

According to paragraph 27 of Federal law "About Central bank of Russian Federation", emission of money surrogates is prohibited on territory of RF.

Emission... But who is emitting Bitcoins?


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: masterluc on January 27, 2014, 04:59:46 PM
http://www.cbr.ru/press/PR.aspx?file=27012014_1825052.htm    

google translate
Quote
Information

On the use in transactions "virtual currency ", in particular , Bitcoin


The Bank of Russia said that recently in the world have a certain distribution of the so -called "virtual currency " , in particular, Bitcoin . By "virtual currencies " and there is no provision for them legally obliged entities . These operations are speculative in nature, carried out on the so -called "virtual exchanges " and carry a high risk of loss of value.

The Bank of Russia warns citizens and legal entities , primarily credit institutions and non-credit financial institutions , the use of "virtual currency " for them in exchange for goods ( works, services) or cash in rubles and foreign currency.

According to article 27 of the Federal Law "On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia ) " issue in the Russian Federation monetary surrogates prohibited.

Due to the anonymous nature of the activity for the production of "virtual currency " unlimited range of actors and to use them for transactions citizens and legal persons may be , including unintentionally involved in illegal activities , including the legalization (laundering ) of proceeds from crime and terrorist financing .

The Bank of Russia has warned that Russian legal entities providing services for the exchange of "virtual currency " in rubles and foreign currency , as well as for goods (works , services ) will be considered as a potential involvement in the implementation of suspicious transactions in accordance with the legislation on counteraction to legalization (laundering ) proceeds of crime and financing of terrorism.

January 27, 2014

Using materials reference to the press service of the Bank of Russia is required .

This is official source of Central bank website. Nuff said.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: Deth on January 27, 2014, 05:00:53 PM
In short: Central Bank of Russia prohibits any (really any) usage of Bitcoin and will treat it as criminal activity and terrorism support.
That`s just not truth. There is no word "prohibition" or alike. Stop spreading FUD.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: Nemo1024 on January 27, 2014, 05:04:29 PM
It does start a bit rough:

"The Central bank will deem any services concerning exchange of virtual currencies into Rubbles as a potential involvement in handling of suspicious activities in accordance to the law against money laundering of funds acquired by criminal means and finance of terrorist organisations. The following warning was issued by CB towards the Russian legal entities."

Further, a citation from CB:
"Virtual currencies lack in supporting and responsible for them legal bodies. Operations bear a speculative character, are processed on the so-called virtual exchanges and carry with them a high risk of loosing in value."

And a little bit further:
"CB warns citizens and legal entities, first and foremost the credit institutions and non-credit financial institutions from using virtual currencies for exchanging them into goods (work, services) and for monetary mediums as Russian, so foreign."

Too lazy to translate it in whole, but it does resemble the Chinese warning.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: Dalmar on January 27, 2014, 05:05:20 PM
All these banana republics like Russia and China are ruining all the fun.

Bitcoin should have staid mainly a Western thing.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: seleme on January 27, 2014, 05:07:07 PM
Not ban at all, it's even less than China did.

The biggest problem is that mining in Russia might be not legal now, as that's the only thing we could call currency emission here.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: MonadTran on January 27, 2014, 05:10:11 PM
"The Central bank will deem any services concerning exchange of virtual currencies into Rubbles as a potential involvement in handling of suspicious activities in accordance to the law against whitewashing of funds acquired by criminal means and finance of terrorist organisations. The following warning was issued by CB towards the Russian legal entities."
"Virtual currencies lack in supporting and responsible for them legal bodies. Operations bear a speculative character, are processed on the so-called virtual exchanges and carry with them a high risk of loosing in value."
"CB warns citizens and legal entities, first and foremost the credit institutions and non-credit financial institutions from using virtual currencies for exchanging them into goods (work, services) and for monetary mediums as Russian, so foreign."

Yep. I can confirm this translation is more or less accurate. Except it's not "whitewashing of funds", it's "money laundering"


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: magicmexican on January 27, 2014, 05:10:39 PM
Not ban at all, it's even less than China did.

The biggest problem is that mining in Russia might be not legal now, as that's the only thing we could call currency emission here.

That would never be a problem, if they would somehow even attemp to pursue this angle - it would never be enforced and nobody would ever give a fuck. Trust me.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: Deth on January 27, 2014, 05:12:02 PM
Nothing really changed for now. It`s more like informational letter with main point as "Don`t be such relaxed, we know about Bitcoin and watching you.". This may cause more restrictions though, as a specific opinion and sign to government and other mighty men in Russia.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: Miz4r on January 27, 2014, 05:13:47 PM
Another one of those warnings? How many times can they issue a warning before people start completely ignoring them?


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: Dalmar on January 27, 2014, 05:15:31 PM
Another one of those warnings? How many times can they issue a warning before people start completely ignoring them?

Private bitcoiners ignore them, but institutional investors listen and follow.. especially when it is from their local jurisdiction.

There goes all the rusky oligarch money.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: magicmexican on January 27, 2014, 05:16:48 PM
Typical announcement from the corrupt government that they dont like losing any sort of control over anything. Whats the point?


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: Nemo1024 on January 27, 2014, 05:17:03 PM
Yep. I can confirm this translation is more or less accurate. Except it's not "whitewashing of funds", it's "money laundering"

Fixed. Mixed up the term from another language...  ::)


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: meanig on January 27, 2014, 05:18:43 PM
Another one of those warnings? How many times can they issue a warning before people start completely ignoring them?

Private bitcoiners ignore them, but institutional investors listen and follow.. especially when it is from their local jurisdiction.

There goes all the rusky oligarch money.

Oligarchs didn't become Oligarchs by listening to the government.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: runam0k on January 27, 2014, 05:19:19 PM
In short: Central Bank of Russia prohibits any (really any) usage of Bitcoin and will treat it as criminal activity and terrorism support.
Wonder if that includes donations to Snowden? ;D


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: seleme on January 27, 2014, 05:19:52 PM
Not ban at all, it's even less than China did.

The biggest problem is that mining in Russia might be not legal now, as that's the only thing we could call currency emission here.

That would never be a problem, if they would somehow even attemp to pursue this angle - it would never be enforced and nobody would ever give a fuck. Trust me.

Yeah, I agree they can't stop people mining, was more thinking about mining equipment sales and such... there's one Russian ASIC, isn't it?


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: Dalmar on January 27, 2014, 05:21:51 PM
Oligarchs didn't become Oligarchs by listening to the government.

In mother Russia, they are the government.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: MatTheCat on January 27, 2014, 05:21:59 PM
Not ban at all, it's even less than China did.

The biggest problem is that mining in Russia might be not legal now, as that's the only thing we could call currency emission here.

What.

It is prohibited to trade Bitcoin for goods, services, or other currency within the Russian Federation.

So if they find a Bitcoin wallet on your computer, you aint going to jail, but if you get caught trying to swap that Bitcoin for anything else (except another virutal currency), then Putin is going to nail you.

Sounds pretty dire to me.

Oligarchs didn't become Oligarchs by listening to the government.

In mother Russia, they are the government.

Are they fuck, not any more. Now they all tow Putin's line, the one who didn't either fled and had all their shit taken off them, or were thrown in jail, and had all their shit taken off them.

That is why the West has a problem with Russia all over again. The West could work with/control the oligarchs, they can't control Putin.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: seleme on January 27, 2014, 05:22:48 PM
But anyway, these "bans" are overrated as long as people are able to send money online and they'll always be able to do it. Yeah, it doesn't help if some countries would make buying Bitcoins harder but all in all, it's overrated. I clearly couldn't give a flying one what my Government would say about Bitcoin as long as there is one country where it isn't a problemand I can buy and sell them there.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: JCviggen on January 27, 2014, 05:26:08 PM
Is BTC-e registered in Russia or elsewhere?


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: seleme on January 27, 2014, 05:27:34 PM
Is BTC-e registered in Russia or elsewhere?

Bulgaria.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: magicmexican on January 27, 2014, 05:28:28 PM
Is BTC-e registered in Russia or elsewhere?

elsewhere

Metabank.ru tho was registered in Russia and got closed today.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: piramida on January 27, 2014, 05:33:04 PM
There are no big or medium bitcoin businesses in Russia. Move along, this does not mean anything. I agree that it is a validation of bitcoin as a means of value transfer that the governments are afraid of, i.e. bullish.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: JCviggen on January 27, 2014, 05:33:22 PM
Good, thanks. I knew BTC-e's bank was somewhere else but not sure where they were regged (Cyprus is always popular with Russians for example)



Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: Nemo1024 on January 27, 2014, 05:33:57 PM
Is BTC-e registered in Russia or elsewhere?

elsewhere

Metabank.ru tho was registered in Russia and got closed today.

Not permanently (yet), but until they clear up the situation. Better safe than sorry.

Additionally, the article mentions concerns that Bitcoin is anonymous. Someone needs to educate the general public that Bitcoin is in effect less anonymous than fiat. You never know where that bank note was before it ended up in your hands, yet most Bitcoin transactions can be traced back and, with sufficient data analysis, grouped to be attributed to persons or organisations. Governments should love them... or not?


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: MonadTran on January 27, 2014, 05:43:42 PM
it is a validation of bitcoin as a means of value transfer that the governments are afraid of, i.e. bullish.

Yes, I would say so. It is impossible to move gold out of Russia. Moving anything else out is a lot of hassle, and requires extensive paperwork. Ruble is dropping - looks like the Olympics and preparations for protests drained the finances significantly. There are some rumors they are looking to ban foreign currency accounts, and further restrict the usage of centralized virtual currencies. They are putting further restrictions on internet trade. Under these almost Argentina-like conditions, it makes sense to convert at least some savings to Bitcoin, and explore the options for a second passport. Bullish.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: porcupine87 on January 27, 2014, 05:45:33 PM
All these banana republics like Russia and China are ruining all the fun.

Bitcoin should have staid mainly a Western thing.

Russia and China copy, they not invent.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: piramida on January 27, 2014, 05:52:39 PM
it is a validation of bitcoin as a means of value transfer that the governments are afraid of, i.e. bullish.

Yes, I would say so. It is impossible to move gold out of Russia. Moving anything else out is a lot of hassle, and requires extensive paperwork. Ruble is dropping - looks like the Olympics and preparations for protests drained the finances significantly. There are some rumors they are looking to ban foreign currency accounts, and further restrict the usage of centralized virtual currencies. They are putting further restrictions on internet trade. Under these almost Argentina-like conditions, it makes sense to convert at least some savings to Bitcoin, and explore the options for a second passport. Bullish.

Yep, with the global financial ponzi crashing (where virtual debt trumps real existing assets by 6 zeroes) I think most countries would be eventually locking people's finances into bank accounts, to be confiscated or prorated. But first, they need to make sure everyone's cash is safely locked and no way to hide personal wealth exists.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: MikeH on January 27, 2014, 05:54:48 PM
Additionally, the article mentions concerns that Bitcoin is anonymous. Someone needs to educate the general public that Bitcoin is in effect less anonymous than fiat. You never know where that bank note was before it ended up in your hands, yet most Bitcoin transactions can be traced back and, with sufficient data analysis, grouped to be attributed to persons or organisations. Governments should love them... or not?

Governments would hate their own spending to be tracked.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: knightcoin on January 27, 2014, 05:58:42 PM
Additionally, the article mentions concerns that Bitcoin is anonymous. Someone needs to educate the general public that Bitcoin is in effect less anonymous than fiat. You never know where that bank note was before it ended up in your hands, yet most Bitcoin transactions can be traced back and, with sufficient data analysis, grouped to be attributed to persons or organisations. Governments should love them... or not?

Governments would hate their own spending to be tracked.

+1


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: Sonny on January 27, 2014, 06:05:59 PM
Additionally, the article mentions concerns that Bitcoin is anonymous. Someone needs to educate the general public that Bitcoin is in effect less anonymous than fiat.

Exactly.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: meanig on January 27, 2014, 06:48:25 PM
Bitcoin is a homosexual conspiracy. The blockchain turns Russian children into gay lords overnight. A ban was always going to happen.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: masterluc on January 27, 2014, 06:54:05 PM
In Russia any warnings from government are permanently treated as law. Nobody wants to play games with mr. Putin here.

For example, on government conference, Putin was dissatisfied with Mechel company suspected in some strange financial activity. He asked to bring him Mechel CEO right now for explanations. CEO said he feel not good and can't arrive right now. Then Putin said, all right,  we will send him a DOCTOR.

Mechel rates dropped 50% instantly ))

http://www.forbes.ru/kompanii/tyazhelaya-promyshlennost/247346-doktor-ne-prishel-pochemu-obvalilsya-mechel


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: knightcoin on January 27, 2014, 06:55:41 PM
Bitcoin is a homosexual conspiracy. The blockchain turns Russian children into gay lords overnight. A ban was always going to happen.

wow, such a vodka ;)


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: seleme on January 27, 2014, 06:58:34 PM
In Russia any warnings from government are permanently treated as law. Nobody wants to play games with mr. Putin here.

Well, "there's no fucking entry point in years" anyway, as you explicitly said around first China news in early December, so why would you care? :P

Maybe because you wouldn't give lot of fuck about Putin if it could be bought cheaper?  ;D


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: BitcoinAshley on January 27, 2014, 07:05:32 PM
In Russia any warnings from government are permanently treated as law. Nobody wants to play games with mr. Putin here.

Yes, this is why all homosexuals IMMEDIATELY stopped having buttsecks when Mr. Putin's government began warning about the dangers of homosexuality.

There is absolutely NO buttsecks in Russia right now, just like there is no bitcoins.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: seleme on January 27, 2014, 07:07:56 PM
In Russia any warnings from government are permanently treated as law. Nobody wants to play games with mr. Putin here.

Yes, this is why all homosexuals IMMEDIATELY stopped having buttsecks when Mr. Putin's government began warning about the dangers of homosexuality.

There is absolutely NO buttsecks in Russia right now, just like there is no bitcoins.

He is very good TA analyzer but boy he looks such a twat when he is in FUD spreading mode.

His "There is no fucking entry point in years" from early December  is probably most retarded sentence ever wrote on this forum.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: masterluc on January 27, 2014, 07:11:34 PM
Yes, this is why all homosexuals IMMEDIATELY stopped having buttsecks when Mr. Putin's government began warning about the dangers of homosexuality.

There is absolutely NO buttsecks in Russia right now, just like there is no bitcoins.
Oh. Again gays. Gays are not prohibited to fuck each other in ass here. But prohibited to spread this lifestyle. And of course,  no gay marriage. We have different culture here.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: MonadTran on January 27, 2014, 07:17:21 PM
In Russia any warnings from government are permanently treated as law. Nobody wants to play games with mr. Putin here.

Probably not this kind of public warning. It's more like you get a private call, and some nice people tell you your business needs to be shut down, or sold to a nice person at 10% the market price. As soon as your business grows large enough to be noticeable, you are likely to get this call anyway, warning or no warning.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: GigaCoin on January 27, 2014, 07:17:26 PM
World governments declaring war against bitcoin


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: ElectricMucus on January 27, 2014, 07:19:19 PM
Bitcoin is a homosexual conspiracy. The blockchain turns Russian children into gay lords overnight. A ban was always going to happen.

Finally, somebody gets it!


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: porcupine87 on January 27, 2014, 07:23:22 PM
Additionally, the article mentions concerns that Bitcoin is anonymous. Someone needs to educate the general public that Bitcoin is in effect less anonymous than fiat.

Exactly.


I would not say that. But you can give us your bank wire i or credit card informtions, like you give us your bitcoin address :)


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: masterluc on January 27, 2014, 07:35:11 PM
In Russia any warnings from government are permanently treated as law. Nobody wants to play games with mr. Putin here.
Another example. Large Russian exchange Metabank halted operations immediately

https://metabank.ru


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: masterluc on January 27, 2014, 07:44:51 PM
Waiting for webmoney reaction. However wmx issuer is not Russian resident, as well as webmoney itself.

But WMR issuer is a resident and a lot of webmoney liquidity circulated across Russian offline and online exchanges. So webmoney being non residential company is vulnerable to government pressure.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: meanig on January 27, 2014, 08:01:00 PM
How is Keiser going to report this news  :D


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: MatTheCat on January 27, 2014, 08:30:38 PM
How is Keiser going to report this news  :D

I hate that fkn wanker for telling his 'followers' to pile into $50 silver about as much as I hate fkers on here telling me to hold my $1100 Bitcoins (I sold).


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: solex on January 27, 2014, 08:37:01 PM
How is Keiser going to report this news  :D

This is a real test for Max. He either tears shreds off the Russian CB on RT, or he resigns and moves his show to another channel. Al Jazeera might be a better option now!


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: zharkt on January 27, 2014, 10:44:52 PM
what is really disturbing in this "warning" is IMHO the last paragraph

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The Bank of Russia has warned that Russian legal entities providing services for the exchange of "virtual currency " in rubles and foreign currency , as well as for goods (works , services ) will be considered as a potential involvement in the implementation of suspicious transactions in accordance with the legislation on counteraction to legalization (laundering ) proceeds of crime and financing of terrorism.

So if you are exchanging money or goods or services for bitcoins - you are labeled as "potentially involved in ... money laundering and financing of terrorism"

Immediately after this warning the only store on coinmap in my town, St. Petersburg - killfish.ru stopped to accept bitcoin
http://killfish.ru/news/736.html (http://killfish.ru/news/736.html)  >:(


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: sraosha on January 28, 2014, 12:35:16 AM
In short: Central Bank of Russia prohibits any (really any) usage of Bitcoin and will treat it as criminal activity and terrorism support.

Bank of Russia is just another Central Bank llluminati style like all the Rothchild Central Banks around the world - except in Iran, N-Korea, Syria, Libya, Iraq, … oops, cancel the last two.

No particular news here. Another head of the same beast.




Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: wobber on January 28, 2014, 12:38:21 AM
In short: Central Bank of Russia prohibits any (really any) usage of Bitcoin and will treat it as criminal activity and terrorism support.

Bank of Russia is just another Central Bank llluminati style like all the Rothchild Central Banks around the world - except in Iran, N-Korea, Syria, Libya, Iraq, … oops, cancel the last two.

No particular news here. Another head of the same beast.




How do we know Bitcoin is not an illuminati project, a wolf dressed as sheep?


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: chessnut on January 28, 2014, 12:40:23 AM
In short: Central Bank of Russia prohibits any (really any) usage of Bitcoin and will treat it as criminal activity and terrorism support.

Bank of Russia is just another Central Bank llluminati style like all the Rothchild Central Banks around the world - except in Iran, N-Korea, Syria, Libya, Iraq, … oops, cancel the last two.

No particular news here. Another head of the same beast.




How do we know Bitcoin is not an illuminati project, a wolf dressed as sheep?

does it matter? maths doesnt lie, nobody controls BTC, maybe the illuminati have some, if they in fact exist, I bet they have some gold and dollars and pounds too.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: sidhujag on January 28, 2014, 12:41:31 AM
THis means that Russia has joined China in accumulating bitcoins!... yea people dont buy any... let me buy them all up and then when I say you can use them!

Whatever these headlines say.. usually the hidden agenda is the OPPOSITE of what they mean literally.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: Dalmar on January 28, 2014, 12:44:50 AM
THis means that Russia has joined China in accumulating bitcoins!... yea people dont buy any... let me buy them all up and then when I say you can use them!

Whatever these headlines say.. usually the hidden agenda is the OPPOSITE of what they mean literally.

Why would China and Russia trust an Anglo-American NSA spy coin.. Who the fuck is Satoshi Nakamoto? Think about it..


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: sraosha on January 28, 2014, 12:45:57 AM
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How do we know Bitcoin is not an illuminati project, a wolf dressed as sheep?

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does it matter? maths doesnt lie, nobody controls BTC, maybe the illuminati have some, if they in fact exist, I bet they have some gold and dollars and pounds too.


It perhaps is - like the internet. But it might work against them in the end. Controlled opposition sometimes get out of hand - see e.g. Hitler.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: meanig on January 28, 2014, 01:00:04 AM
FYI there's a lot of shady shit going down in Russian banks at the moment. The gossip is that the deposit protection scheme for regular bank deposits is out of cash.

http://www.bdlive.co.za/world/europe/2014/01/10/russia-revokes-siberian-banks-licence
 (http://www.bdlive.co.za/world/europe/2014/01/10/russia-revokes-siberian-banks-licence)

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MOSCOW — Russian regulators have cancelled the licence of AKB Novokuznetsk Municipal Bank (NMB), saying that the Siberian lender made high-risk loans and allowed its owners to borrow from the company.

The Russian central bank said in a statement on its website on Thursday that NMB was running "a high-risk credit policy" and not adequately creating reserves for possible loan losses. The bank, which was among Russia’s top 300 lenders by assets as of last month, did not fulfil its obligations to creditors and depositors because of insufficient cash flow, the regulator said.

NMB said depositors with as much as 700,000 rubles ($21,000) are entitled to a full reimbursement from the Deposit Insurance Agency.

Payments would begin by January 23, the agency said on its website. NMB’s press office did not respond to calls seeking further comment.

The regulator has accelerated its crackdown since November 29 when it revoked the licence of Master Bank, Russia’s 41st largest lender by assets, for money-laundering violations. Midsize lenders Project Financing Bank and Smolensky Bank were also shuttered on December 13, and Investbank was closed after failing capital adequacy reviews.

The central bank has revoked about 30 banking licences since July 1 when Elvira Nabiullina succeeded Sergey Ignatiev as governor, compared with three in the first half of the year. She is striving to tighten regulation of banks and curtail net capital outflow, forecast at about $55bn last year.

NMB, which focused on the Kemerovo region of Siberia, was set up in 1994 and provides services to firms and individuals, according to its website.

An unidentified NMB director is being probed for allegedly transferring cash from the bank to other lenders in Russia to repay debts, according to a statement on Thursday by the Russian Investigative Committee. This had resulted in depriving the bank of sufficient reserves to cover its clients’ loans, according to the statement.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: RandyMagnum on January 28, 2014, 01:30:44 AM
You'd have to be pretty bullheaded to read this as being on the same level as China or India's warning.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: giantdragon on January 28, 2014, 01:37:04 AM
The biggest problem is that mining in Russia might be not legal now, as that's the only thing we could call currency emission here.
Most miners use pools located outside Russia, so this ban won't affect them.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: solex on January 28, 2014, 09:03:53 AM
THis means that Russia has joined China in accumulating bitcoins!... yea people dont buy any... let me buy them all up and then when I say you can use them!

Whatever these headlines say.. usually the hidden agenda is the OPPOSITE of what they mean literally.

Why would China and Russia trust an Anglo-American NSA spy coin.. Who the fuck is Satoshi Nakamoto? Think about it..

Mathematics and software transcend language and culture. The Chinese and Russians are perfectly capable of seeing that Bitcoin is a tour-de-force, theoretically capable of displacing their own fiat systems at a future date. Hence totalitarian regimes revert to type and lash out.

About 20 central banks have warned about Bitcoin, which is a huge vote of confidence in its strength.



Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: artplay81 on January 28, 2014, 09:20:17 AM
Central Bank is pretty conservative in Russia and this statement looks quite logical to me.

Potentially, they may allow operations in bitcoins after the majority of the world accepts it (1), and (2) after internal security agencies (NSA type) are OK with it.

They will not be in avangarde of BTC movement as little countries like Singapore, Denmark.. who else is there :)



Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: billyjoeallen on January 28, 2014, 10:35:48 AM
In short: Central Bank of Russia prohibits any (really any) usage of Bitcoin and will treat it as criminal activity and terrorism support.

Bank of Russia is just another Central Bank llluminati style like all the Rothchild Central Banks around the world - except in Iran, N-Korea, Syria, Libya, Iraq, … oops, cancel the last two.

No particular news here. Another head of the same beast.




How do we know Bitcoin is not an illuminati project, a wolf dressed as sheep?

Because it's open source. It doesn't matter who created it if the code and the economics are sound.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: oda.krell on January 28, 2014, 11:17:52 AM

Hahaha, I see... Masterluc is back in his I-want-to-rebuy-cheaper troll phase. Good luck :D


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: MikeH on January 28, 2014, 12:35:37 PM
Quote
Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
A Bank has got the power to ban something, is the Bank above the Law?

they control governments by controlling the money, so yes they're above the law - they probably even drafted a lot of them.

Amsel (Amschel) Bauer Mayer Rothschild, 1838:
 "Let me issue and control a Nation's money and I care not who makes its laws".


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: Miz4r on January 28, 2014, 01:10:43 PM
Quote
Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
A Bank has got the power to ban something, is the Bank above the Law?

They didn't ban Bitcoin, they just pointed out already existing laws against money laundering and issuing surrogate currency and tried to scare the public away from Bitcoin making some sort of threatening statement. Nothing new or special about it really, this is exactly the reaction everyone should expect from Central Banks all over the world, not just Russia.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: mestar on January 29, 2014, 02:02:41 PM
Quote
Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
A Bank has got the power to ban something, is the Bank above the Law?

All over the world, it certainly looks so.




Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: masterluc on February 04, 2014, 05:48:00 AM
Oh boy...

Police starts criminal development against btce and metabank.

http://volgoproc.ru/newversion/cgi-bin/run.pl?mod=news.mod&dirmod=mod&func=view&id=2331


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: PYaEe on February 04, 2014, 06:32:57 AM
Fake. "For the attention of mass media! Prosecutor's office site is hacked and information about investigation against internet sites posted here is contrary to fact".
But i'm transfering most of my btc remaining here to some other exchange, anyway


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: masterluc on February 04, 2014, 06:37:31 AM
Yes, already removed. Thanks to god this was fake ))


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: masterluc on February 06, 2014, 03:52:11 PM
And this is not fake.

General Prosecutor's Office meeting regarding virtual currencies.

http://www.genproc.gov.ru/smi/news/genproc/news-86432/

TL;DR: Following the meeting, outlining specific joint actions of the Bank of Russia and law enforcement to prevent possible violations in the sphere of money circulation in Russia, a number of specific solutions aimed at preventing violations of property rights of citizens and organizations associated with the use crypto currencies (yes! crypto!) . Taking into account international experience identified further areas of work on the legal regulation of this sector.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: esse83 on February 06, 2014, 04:10:51 PM
Sounds like good news :) Especially this part:

"Certain distribution received anonymous payment systems and kriptovalyuty, including the most famous of them - Bitcoin are money substitutes and can not be used by individuals and legal entities."

EDIT: http://kommersant.ru/doc/2401035

"..therefore, the money can not be used by citizens and organizations of the Russian Federation."


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: masterluc on February 09, 2014, 05:04:55 PM
"If any company that decides to accept Bitcoins as a means of payment against its leaders can initiate criminal proceedings under Art. 174 of the Criminal Code ("Legalization of money or other property acquired by other persons in a criminal way." - RBC daily) », - said the source. Will collect information FSB and the Interior Ministry.

http://rbcdaily.ru/finance/562949990487034


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: knightcoin on February 09, 2014, 05:08:06 PM
"If any company that decides to accept Bitcoins as a means of payment against its leaders can initiate criminal proceedings under Art. 174 of the Criminal Code ("Legalization of money or other property acquired by other persons in a criminal way." - RBC daily) », - said the source. Will collect information FSB and the Interior Ministry.

http://rbcdaily.ru/finance/562949990487034

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Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: masterluc on February 09, 2014, 05:20:26 PM
War has been started. Belarus and Kazakhstan and probably Ukraine will follow.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: billyjoeallen on February 09, 2014, 05:20:40 PM
It's amazing how the Rooskies keep trying to re-lose a cold war they already lost. Held up our Olympic team's yogurt at customs. Country run by a short bald guy who plays Karate and rides horses bare-chested. Their whole economy is based off of selling their natural resources to real industrialized economies. And that's the improved Russia!


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: oda.krell on February 10, 2014, 11:24:32 AM
It's amazing how the Rooskies keep trying to re-lose a cold war they already lost. Held up our Olympic team's yogurt at customs. Country run by a short bald guy who plays Karate and rides horses bare-chested. Their whole economy is based off of selling their natural resources to real industrialized economies. And that's the improved Russia!

Good thing then that there's the good ole U S of A that needs to buy those natural resources like a "real industrialized economy" in order to run that fleet of mobility scooters to move around their population of morbidly obese people inside Walmart, huh ^__^



Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: Nemo1024 on February 13, 2014, 02:37:43 PM
It's amazing how the Rooskies keep trying to re-lose a cold war they already lost. Held up our Olympic team's yogurt at customs. Country run by a short bald guy who plays Karate and rides horses bare-chested. Their whole economy is based off of selling their natural resources to real industrialized economies. And that's the improved Russia!

Cold war? The question of who truly lost it will be answered in a few hundred of years. As for now, Russia has managed to cut back its military spendings, while US bloats them; Russia is not invading anyone, while US is doing it non-stop, trying to ignite WW3 and maintaining its title of the Evil Empire.

Your comment is a manifestation of a certain type of a blindfolded and brainwashed Western/US mindset, which longs for the days of the cold war. Hopefully you are not in the majority.

You are sadly right that selling of natural resources had become the main source of income, mainly because of the politicians since Yeltsin's times, who sold their soul to the Western transnats, WTO and money cartels, as well as to a group of money-loving oligarchs who are as Russian as Obama is Irish.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: njcarlos on February 13, 2014, 02:39:27 PM
Good thing then that there's the good ole U S of A that needs to buy those natural resources like a "real industrialized economy" in order to run that fleet of mobility scooters to move around their population of morbidly obese people inside Walmart, huh ^__^
Damn, he must have hit a nerve eh?


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: Nemo1024 on February 13, 2014, 02:44:17 PM
"If any company that decides to accept Bitcoins as a means of payment against its leaders can initiate criminal proceedings under Art. 174 of the Criminal Code ("Legalization of money or other property acquired by other persons in a criminal way." - RBC daily) », - said the source. Will collect information FSB and the Interior Ministry.

http://rbcdaily.ru/finance/562949990487034

The keyword here is "can". The same, and under the same law, applies to payments in $, £, € or any other currency.

Though everybody does it, if you travel to, say, Sochi, and pay someone there in dollars for a used car, the recipient can come under scrutiny for money laundering.


Title: Re: Russia central bank bans Bitcoin
Post by: akujin on February 13, 2014, 03:35:37 PM
"If any company that decides to accept Bitcoins as a means of payment against its leaders can initiate criminal proceedings under Art. 174 of the Criminal Code ("Legalization of money or other property acquired by other persons in a criminal way." - RBC daily) », - said the source. Will collect information FSB and the Interior Ministry.

http://rbcdaily.ru/finance/562949990487034

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