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Title: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: DutchBrat on January 27, 2014, 04:43:23 PM
Wire: Associated Press (APW) Date: Jan 27 2014  11:41:21
2 Men Charged in NY 'Silk Road' Drug Prosecution


     New York (AP) -- Federal prosecutors say two men are
charged in New York with conspiring to commit money laundering
by selling over $1 million in bitcoins to users of the black
market website Silk Road that let users buy illegal drugs
anonymously.
     Authorities say Charlie Shrem was arrested Sunday at
Kennedy International Airport in New York while Robert Faiella
was arrested Monday at his Cape Coral, Fla., residence.
     Prosecutors say in a release that Faiella sold bitcoins to
users seeking to buy illegal drugs on the site through a
Manhattan office.
     They say Shrem personally bought drugs on Silk Road and
helped Faiella exchange more than $1 million in cash for
bitcoins so they could make illegal purchases.
     It wasn't immediately clear who would represent Faiella and
Shrem in court.

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Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: Pangia on January 27, 2014, 04:52:32 PM
There are uniformed people who are actually believing that the "Vice-President of Bitcoin" was arrested instead of the Vice-President of the Bitcoin Foundation.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: ChuckBuck on January 27, 2014, 04:54:02 PM
Yikes!  There goes the chart...


http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=bitstampUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=1&i=5-min&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0&


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: Carlton Banks on January 27, 2014, 04:56:07 PM
Quote
     They say Shrem personally bought drugs on Silk Road and
helped Faiella exchange more than $1 million in cash for
bitcoins so they could make illegal purchases.

Was Charlie Shrem really doing that? Seems a little hard to believe. Surely not!?


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: tacotime on January 27, 2014, 04:59:51 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/report-ceo-of-major-bitcoin-exchange-arrested-2014-1

Quote
Manhattan U.S. Attorney Announces Charges Against Bitcoin Exchangers, Including Ceo Of Bitcoin Exchange Company, For Scheme To Sell And Launder Over $1 Million In Bitcoins Related To Silk Road Drug Trafficking
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, January 27, 2014
Defendants Sold Bitcoins to be Used to Buy and Sell Illegal Drugs Anonymously on the Silk Road Drug Trafficking Website
Preet Bharara, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, James J. Hunt, the Acting Special-Agent-in-Charge of the New York Field Division of the Drug Enforcement Administration (“DEA”), and Toni Weirauch, the Special Agent-in-Charge of the New York Field Office of the Internal Revenue Service, Criminal Investigation (“IRS-CI”), announced the unsealing of criminal charges in Manhattan federal court against ROBERT M. FAIELLA, a/k/a “BTCKing,” an underground Bitcoin exchanger, and CHARLIE SHREM, the Chief Executive Officer and Compliance Officer of a Bitcoin exchange company, for engaging in a scheme to sell over $1 million in Bitcoins to users of “Silk Road,” the underground website that enabled its users to buy and sell illegal drugs anonymously and beyond the reach of law enforcement. Each defendant is charged with conspiring to commit money laundering, and operating an unlicensed money transmitting business. SHREM is also charged with willfully failing to file any suspicious activity report regarding FAIELLA’s illegal transactions through the Company, in violation of the Bank Secrecy Act. SCHREM was arrested yesterday at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York, and is expected to be presented in Manhattan federal court later today before U.S. Magistrate Judge Henry Pitman. FAIELLA was arrested today at his residence in Cape Coral, Florida, and is expected to be presented in federal court in the Middle District of Florida.

Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara said: “As alleged, Robert Faiella and Charlie Shrem schemed to sell over $1 million in Bitcoins to criminals bent on trafficking narcotics on the dark web drug site, Silk Road. Truly innovative business models don’t need to resort to old-fashioned law-breaking, and when Bitcoins, like any traditional currency, are laundered and used to fuel criminal activity, law enforcement has no choice but to act. We will aggressively pursue those who would coopt new forms of currency for illicit purposes.”

DEA Acting Special-Agent-in-Charge James J. Hunt said: “The charges announced today depict law enforcement's commitment to identifying those who promote the sale of illegal drugs throughout the world. Hiding behind their computers, both defendants are charged with knowingly contributing to and facilitating anonymous drug sales, earning substantial profits along the way. Drug law enforcement's job is to investigate and identify those who abet the illicit drug trade at all levels of production and distribution including those lining their own pockets by feigning ignorance of any wrong doing and turning a blind eye.”

IRS Special-Agent-in-Charge Toni Weirauch said: “The government has been successful in swiftly identifying those responsible for the design and operation of the ‘Silk Road’ website, as well as those who helped ‘Silk Road’ customers conduct their illegal transactions by facilitating the conversion of their dollars into Bitcoins. This is yet another example of the New York Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Strike Force’s proficiency in applying financial investigative resources to the fight against illegal drugs.”

According to the allegations contained in the Criminal Complaint unsealed today in Manhattan federal court:

From about December 2011 to October 2013, FAIELLA ran an underground Bitcoin exchange on the Silk Road website, a website that served as a sprawling and anonymous black market bazaar where illegal drugs of virtually every variety were bought and sold regularly by the site’s users. Operating under the username “BTCKing,” FAIELLA sold Bitcoins – the only form of payment accepted on Silk Road – to users seeking to buy illegal drugs on the site. Upon receiving orders for Bitcoins from Silk Road users, he filled the orders through a company based in New York, New York (the “Company”). The Company was designed to enable customers to exchange cash for Bitcoins anonymously, that is, without providing any personal identifying information, and it charged a fee for its service. FAIELLA obtained Bitcoins with the Company’s assistance, and then sold the Bitcoins to Silk Road users at a markup.

SHREM is the Chief Executive Officer of the Company, and from about August 2011 until about July 2013, when the Company ceased operating, he was also its Compliance Officer, in charge of ensuring the Company’s compliance with federal and other anti-money laundering (“AML”) laws. SHREM is also the Vice Chairman of a foundation dedicated to promoting the Bitcoin virtual currency system.

SHREM, who personally bought drugs on Silk Road, was fully aware that Silk Road was a drug-trafficking website, and through his communications with FAIELLA, SHREM also knew that FAIELLA was operating a Bitcoin exchange service for Silk Road users. Nevertheless, SHREM knowingly facilitated FAIELLA’s business with the Company in order to maintain FAIELLA’s business as a lucrative source of Company revenue. SHREM knowingly allowed FAIELLA to use the Company’s services to buy Bitcoins for his Silk Road customers; personally processed FAIELLA’s orders; gave FAIELLA discounts on his high-volume transactions; failed to file a single suspicious activity report with the United States Treasury Department about FAIELLA’s illicit activity, as he was otherwise required to do in his role as the Company’s Compliance Officer; and deliberately helped FAIELLA circumvent the Company’s AML restrictions, even though it was SHREM’s job to enforce them and even though the Company had registered with the Treasury Department as a money services business.

Working together, SHREM and FAIELLA exchanged over $1 million in cash for Bitcoins for the benefit of Silk Road users, so that the users could, in turn, make illegal purchases on Silk Road.

In late 2012, when the Company stopped accepting cash payments, FAIELLA ceased doing business with the Company and temporarily shut down his illegal Bitcoin exchange service on Silk Road. FAIELLA resumed operating on Silk Road in April 2013 without the Company’s assistance, and continued to exchange tens of thousands of dollars a week in Bitcoins until the Silk Road website was shut down by law enforcement in October 2013.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: justusranvier on January 27, 2014, 05:02:27 PM
Was Charlie Shrem really doing that? Seems a little hard to believe. Surely not!?
Are you implying that truth has anything whatsoever to do with the US criminal justice system?

Why would it? It is a criminal system, after all.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: Carlton Banks on January 27, 2014, 05:12:59 PM
Was Charlie Shrem really doing that? Seems a little hard to believe. Surely not!?
Are you implying that truth has anything whatsoever to do with the US criminal justice system?

Why would it? It is a criminal system, after all.

Totally agree, but it must be pretty difficult to fully fabricate the actual evidence that Charlie Shrem was using $1million to pay for narcotics. It can't just be "well, in practice, that's what happened", that would be like a full-on show trial in the 21st century.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: elux on January 27, 2014, 05:21:45 PM
Indictment here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/202555785/United-States-vs-Charles-Shrem-and-Robert-M-Faiella



Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: guybrushthreepwood on January 27, 2014, 05:25:38 PM
Quote
     They say Shrem personally bought drugs on Silk Road and
helped Faiella exchange more than $1 million in cash for
bitcoins so they could make illegal purchases.

Was Charlie Shrem really doing that? Seems a little hard to believe. Surely not!?

Vast amounts of money can corrupt anyone. Gonna read the indictment now for further details.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: TheIrishman on January 27, 2014, 05:30:34 PM
Bitcoin Foundation vice chair arrested for money laundering

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/27/bitcoin-foundation-vice-chair-arrested-money-laundering (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/27/bitcoin-foundation-vice-chair-arrested-money-laundering)

"Charlie Shrem stands accused of knowingly selling over $1m of bitcoins to users of the Silk Road online black-marketplace."


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: epetroel on January 27, 2014, 05:34:32 PM
Quote
     They say Shrem personally bought drugs on Silk Road and
helped Faiella exchange more than $1 million in cash for
bitcoins so they could make illegal purchases.

Was Charlie Shrem really doing that? Seems a little hard to believe. Surely not!?

Vast amounts of money can corrupt anyone. Gonna read the indictment now for further details.

Vast amounts of money?  The allegation says about $1 Million in bitcoins were purchased.  I'm not sure what BitInstant's commission was for cash purchases, but let's say it was 2% and he didn't give any discounts.  That's $20,000 in commissions.  Not exactly "vast amounts of money".


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: guybrushthreepwood on January 27, 2014, 05:38:29 PM
Quote
     They say Shrem personally bought drugs on Silk Road and
helped Faiella exchange more than $1 million in cash for
bitcoins so they could make illegal purchases.

Was Charlie Shrem really doing that? Seems a little hard to believe. Surely not!?

Vast amounts of money can corrupt anyone. Gonna read the indictment now for further details.

Vast amounts of money?  The allegation says about $1 Million in bitcoins were purchased.  I'm not sure what BitInstant's commission was for cash purchases, but let's say it was 2% and he didn't give any discounts.  That's $20,000 in commissions.  Not exactly "vast amounts of money".

It's not exactly peanuts either.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: jakedeez on January 27, 2014, 06:09:13 PM

It's not exactly peanuts either.

$20,000 is peanuts in Preet Bararaha's world.  For sure.  Less then peanuts.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: smoothie on January 27, 2014, 06:22:55 PM
http://www.vocativ.com/12-2013/night-bitcoin-millionaire-proud-stoner-charlie-shrem/


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: mindfulmojo on January 27, 2014, 06:28:01 PM

I like zerohedge's ending to the story:

And now, please join us in a moment of solemn silence as we fondly recall the memory of all the HSBC bankers who were thrown in prison for aiding, abetting and profiting from laundering money with known global terrorists...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-27/doj-finally-going-after-criminal-materminds-arrest-24-year-old-bitcoin-exchange-foun



Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: justusranvier on January 27, 2014, 06:36:21 PM
Don't forget the Wachovia bankers who were more than happy to support the cartels' civil war in Mexico that nobody likes to talk about.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: The-Real-Link on January 27, 2014, 06:56:43 PM
MSN's also mentioning the story on a subheadline.

I read it and was like, wait, THAT Shrem?  So much for hoping that BitInstant had remained a good business (even though I'm sure it had been mentioned before that they had issues).

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/two-men-arrested-selling-bitcoins-connection-defunct-silk-road-site-2D11999981


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: Grinder on January 27, 2014, 07:01:53 PM
And now, please join us in a moment of solemn silence as we fondly recall the memory of all the HSBC bankers who were thrown in prison for aiding, abetting and profiting from laundering money with known global terrorists...

There was just a very good comment about bankers in Financial Times, "Nothing can dent the divine right of bankers". It has been replicated a little down the page here: http://www.peterwarren.no/2014/01/med-svindel-som-odelsrett/

"The basic structure of the system – with its perverse incentives, too-big-to-fail institutions and too-powerful-to-jail executives – remains untouched."


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: mindfulmojo on January 27, 2014, 07:19:21 PM
What gets me in the average person just doesn't understand, they start taking sides and arguing about the imaginary two party system in the US,

and I want to throw my hands in the air. I get tired of trying to get them to understand the true masters of world...


"Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it’s laws."

 Mater Amschel Rothschild, founder of the Rothschild banking dynasty.




Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: Carlton Banks on January 27, 2014, 07:57:47 PM
Well, if the indictment is accurate, maybe there is a case to answer. Seems like a very risky move, making personal & private deals with someone to sell regular large volumes, and it certainly breaks AML guidelines. It's possible that the guy tricked Charlie, but it'd have to be a pretty convincing story ("large institutional investor, wants to remain anonymous"). And even then, getting caught up breaking the rules for a "good" reason is not smart, this guy could've been a DEA or IRS agent entrapping him.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: prophetx on January 27, 2014, 10:35:50 PM
is being in a state of psychosis from being constantly high as a kite a defense?


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: TheButterZone on January 28, 2014, 12:11:59 AM
More victimless "criminals" having the boot stamping on their face forever. Just a matter of time before every single localbitcoins seller is prosecuted for not harming anyone, because "economic liberty must be destroyed"!


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: j68r on January 28, 2014, 01:41:54 AM
The false wars on some drugs and its recent bastard offspring the false war some terror, fighting civil liberty on your behalf at your expense for over 100 years.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: Alphi on January 28, 2014, 04:44:04 AM
i hope they put Mr Shrek in a cell with the Dead Pirate Robert so they can teach each other how to store bitcoins properly LOL...

but in all seriousness pulling the criminal elements out of the Bitcoin ecosystem can only improve its value over the long run.

Firstly because it locks up a lot of BTC for a very long time.

Secondly because each time BTC criminals get busted it renews public confidence that the Bitcoin Ecosystem is evolving past the old perceptions of being a haven for scammers and criminals.

gone is the myth that Bitcoin is anonymous
gone is the myth that you can use it to buy drugs online safely.
gone is the myth that criminals and scammers wont get caught.


when the powers that Be throw this many resources at trying to disrupt a new technology you know that that technology IS working.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: TheButterZone on January 28, 2014, 05:56:46 AM
When they come for you Alphi, there will be no one left to speak out.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: Alphi on January 28, 2014, 06:46:11 AM
When they come for you Alphi, there will be no one left to speak out.

let them come....

those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear...


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: dave111223 on January 28, 2014, 06:49:19 AM
When they come for you Alphi, there will be no one left to speak out.

let them come....

those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear...

I look forward to the day I can buy jackboots with my bitcoins.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: TheButterZone on January 28, 2014, 08:09:12 AM
When they come for you Alphi, there will be no one left to speak out.

let them come....

those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear...

Famous last words.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: cbeast on January 28, 2014, 08:37:27 AM
When they come for you Alphi, there will be no one left to speak out.

let them come....

those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear...
Says the person using a pseudonym.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: sergio on January 28, 2014, 08:44:14 AM
I think this is a direct attack on Bitcoin, the purpose is to discredit Bitcoin.

I have not seen any evidence from the press other than official accusations without providing any evidence whatsoever .

Personally I do not think it is true, most likely what happened is that he sold though the exchange Bitcoins to someone that used it on silkroad. But that makes no sense it is like arresting the CEO of a bank because the dollars of a drug dealer where obtained from a Bank or an ATM machine for that purpose.
Or like a thief taking a taxi and arresting the taxi driver and not the thief.

Some of you with less experience may believe what you hear on the press, sometimes thing  are true other times they are not, it this case I believe the goal is to discredit Bitcoin since its popularity has been rising and quickly.

From a business point of view for an exchange it is impossible to know what you are going to do with Bitcoins, or for that matter any exchange with any currency.

So far out of the few exchanges in the USA, 2 have been attacked mtgox and bitinstant, I would not be surprised at all if other Bitcoin exchanges  start running into problems.

In the case of mtgox the law was applied retroactively before a time the government even acknowledged that Bitcoin existed, and before Bitcoin was a currency or commodity under the law.

The war has been declared against Bitcoin, I believe that in the end Bitcoin will win, however the war will create large volatility that will be used by the press to discredit Bitcoin like it has been happening,

My advice hold onto your Bitcoins, and do not believe everything you hear without seeing strong evidence from independent media.
  
Like most of you I have no way of knowing weather what the press claims it is true or false, however with the lack of evidence and all the facts, to me this looks more like an organized attack on Bitcoin.

Most likely Charlie will be presented with huge accusations or an option to play guilty for a much lesser charge, even if the declares himself guilty it means nothing if it is under threat, the only thing meaningful is to see evidence of which we will probably never see.
 
 


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: Taborresen on January 28, 2014, 08:50:39 AM
When they come for you Alphi, there will be no one left to speak out.

let them come....

those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear...
Says the person using a pseudonym.


lol. Spot on.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: Alphi on January 28, 2014, 08:52:53 AM
When they come for you Alphi, there will be no one left to speak out.

let them come....

those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear...
Says the person using a pseudonym.

says another guy with a pseudonym...

and what's your point exactly? I'm not hiding behind layers of TOR, proxies and VPN if that's what your getting at.
it wouldn't be hard for any law enforcement agency to track me down if they so wished... so.....



Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: Alphi on January 28, 2014, 08:59:20 AM

Like most of you I have no way of knowing weather what the press claims it is true or false, however with the lack of evidence and all the facts, to me this looks more like an organized attack on Bitcoin.


you can read the indictment and make up your own mind.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/202555785/United-States-vs-Charles-Shrem-and-Robert-M-Faiella


also you're quite welcome to watch the case unfold if you want, Mr Faiella is already up in court...


no doubt they will make a show trial of this... since Silk Road was a huge PR win for the FBI and they will want to milk it for that its worth.

Edit: I just read the indictment.. they Prosecutors have a solid case against Mr Shrek they even have his emails where he clearly states he knew the guy was operating on silk road AND he overruled his co founders concerns and continued to do business with him... WHAT A DOUCHE... his stupidity just sank his company and trashed the reputations of 12 of his employees... ouch.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: Sutters Mill on January 28, 2014, 09:04:38 AM
I just saw this. Good to hear that New York's state banking regulator, Benjamin Lawsky is 'almost' defending the Bitcoin economy by saying, "There are always going to be bad apples in any industry."

Detracts from all the other neysayers who would jump on this and accuse the anonymity of Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: Sydboy on January 28, 2014, 09:11:03 AM
Jeepers, What a shame.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: jakedeez on January 28, 2014, 01:46:34 PM
Anyone else want to start an alt coin called preet bararah coins, you know, just in case?


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on January 28, 2014, 02:12:24 PM
some videos about the topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6tS78PZERs

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101366511

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/bitcoin-s-shrem-charged-in-drug-trafficking-case-SUfBFVBZSOi21NUoQtb2sg.html


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: j68r on January 28, 2014, 03:01:25 PM
They just make stuff up that suits their agenda, the war on btc is starting in earnest. These people need a war on something, anything, to confiscate, justify and of course spend... their bloated budget and ultimately survive or they'll have to go and try getting a real job.

It's reminiscent of the kimdotcom fiasco, little more than autonomous, corporate sponsored gestapo criminality masquerading as law enforcement. The MSM act as accomplices to the crime.


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: subSTRATA on January 28, 2014, 03:30:01 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/report-ceo-of-major-bitcoin-exchange-arrested-2014-1

That many 3rd-party tracking and datamining craps are rarely seen, congratz!

https://i.imgur.com/oU8IsnV.png


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: TheIrishman on January 28, 2014, 11:06:31 PM
Bitcoin executive resigns amid money-laundering investigation

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/28/bitcoin-executive-resigns-money-laundering-silk-road-charlie-shrem (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/28/bitcoin-executive-resigns-money-laundering-silk-road-charlie-shrem)

"Charlie Shrem, Bitcoin Foundation vice-president, resigns. Shrem accused of helping to launder money for Silk Road."


Title: Re: Charlie Shrem & Robert Faiella arrested
Post by: sergio on March 31, 2014, 01:48:46 AM
Charlie Shrem is most likely innocent.

An error by the Bitcoin Foundation was to remove him from being vice president without waiting for the court ruling, based on the law he is innocent till proven guilty, but that is not the way he is being treated.

He is being charge with a crime, that does not make him a criminal unless if he is convicted for the crime of which he is being charged.

The Bitcoin Foundation should have backed him up and not have turned their backs on him, by doing so it does not discredit Charlie Shrem but it discredits the Bitcoin Foundation.

This is part of the dirty war that is taking place to discredit bitcoin and its supporters, sooner than later it will happen to another Bitcoin supporter is the Bitcoin Foundation going to turn their back on that person like they did with Charlie, it is something to think about.