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I'm seriously considering having a clear out of some Casascius coins. They are the following specification:

    - 25 x 1BTC, series 2 back, 2013 front
    - 20 x 0.5BTC, series 2 back, 2013 front

They are from the last batch Casascius ever made before shutting his website down. Each comes with a digital certificate of authenticity consisting of a PDF scan of the coins signed with the makers (Mike Caldwell's) Adobe key.

Each comes in an airtight capsule and has been sealed and untouched since receipt. They are basically in as mint condition as possible. Please click this link to access a page to download a zip file of photographs of each coin with signed pdf certificates (http://madmacs.datashell.co.uk/item/8a4956a5d47e4617acac380efcdb73f7) if you are interested, each is taken front and back, in good light, one photo with flash and one without.

I am a UK seller so would prefer a face to face sale.

At this point I am trying to gauge market interest, so serious offers only. BTC payment only.

EDIT: I am also selling a 5BTC casascius here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4360510.msg38949326#msg38949326).

Do you sale 1 coin or the hole LOT?
Raffle for a few coins could be something for me as well.

For conveniences sake I'd like to sell the lot in one go if possible. But understand that this may not be possible due to the value of the coins. Basically I'm testing the market atm to see what the options are.

Deal of the decade, right here. Sadly, I cannot afford.

Any idea what you would like for the entire lot?

I'm based in the UK.

Cheers

beautiful lot. If you don’t get any takers on this in the next week or so PM me I can work something out with you

Wasn't it all ready discussed on the fourm that it's better to peel the 25 BTC because of the low premium and high risk of selling it?

Perhaps so, but OP is selling 25 x 1 BTC, not 1 x 25 BTC.

Also btw, total FV is easily ~39.725 BTC worth, including just BCH which is easily redeemable.

**Cough** Group buy anyone? Unless OTOH or GP steps in first

this.....cmon op!!!! minerjones+groupbuy

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Collectors don’t really factor in hard forks. These aren’t being bought to be redeemed.

Depends which forks we're talking about. From BTG and smaller, I agree it's a lot of dust and it might not be practical. But BCH, which is pretty valuable, cannot be ignored. If coin can be peeled and BTC and BCH can both be very simply redeemed and converted to other crypto on pretty much every exchange, then the value of the coin cannot be any less than that. BCH pretty much *must* be factored, and it sets a price floor for any particular coin, doing otherwise is denying reality on own expense. Collector might not be buying to peel, but seller can do so if buyer won't offer satisfactionary premium over FV.

I am also selling a 5BTC casascius here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4360510.msg38949326#msg38949326).

keep watching。。。

watching

If there aren't any parties or group buys interested in the lot I could split, but would prefer a single sale if possible.

This.

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Would be nice if you could to break it up into 2x10 + 5 lots each.

I can't even afford a group buy but I like this idea.

Based on previous sales, the BTC price dip, their unusual mint condition, and digital certificates; I'm looking for around 47-52 BTC for the lot.

Good to know, thank you for answering my question.

Right. @everyone - if we want to arrange a Group Buy for these coins, I am more than happy to manage it, and to meet No_2 in person to complete the deal.

Lets see what the interest is like..

in for a cas .5 at least.

I am thinking around 45 BTC for the lot. But I am sure we can come to an agreement between us if I take the lot on behalf of myself and others :)

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Noted.

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Ticked - 1 x 0.5 BTC*
Anonymous (Person is legit but would prefer to remain anonymous) - 10 x 1 BTC*
Zepher - 3 x 1 BTC, 5 x 0.5 BTC.*
Lesbian Cow - 5 x 1 BTC, 5 x 0.5 BTC.*
minerjones - 5 x 0.5 BTC*

Remaining Coins Available:

7 x 1 BTC
4 x 0.5 BTC


* - These are all on the basis that we come to an agreement on price everyone is happy with.

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I will keep updating as interest rolls in. @ No_2 - please edit your title so people know what I am attempting here. Thanks :)

I have one peasant request. Once the transaction has been done in person. I want to see a picture of all the goods in a pile. Please.

Hahaha ^^ ;D

If this deal goes through, consider your wish granted.

At 45 BTC what premium would the 0.5's be commanding?

I've worked out face value to be around the 40 BTC mark incl shitcoins.

To be truthful, I cannot answer your question until a price has been agreed, but approx 0.625 BTC each* - *take that with a grain of salt for now.

i'm interested at all this coin inclusive of cas 5 btc ... please send me in PM one all inclusive offer. Thanks

I am not trying to be a dick here Maicol, but is there any chance you can prove you can actually pay for everything? I am only doing this because we are getting very close to being able to buy the coins ourselves.

2x 0.5 BTC here

There is just 10 x Casascius 1 BTC coins left, and I can start negotiations for the entire lot from No_2.

Everyone involved will be kept informed every step of the way.

C'mon people, 10 coins left out of 45 - we can do this! You won't get coins of this quality anywhere else.

Edit: Note that these are NOT your "regular" Casascius Brass 0.5 & 1 BTC Coin. These are mint, still in their tube (pretty much guaranteeing you MS67+ for the majority of the coins, should you choose to send them to ANACS for grading - which I 100% recommend in these specific circumstances), and they ALL come with PGP Certificates from Mike Caldwell/Casascius himself. You do not see these for sale with a Chain of Custody. Seriously, if you want something truly special, with paperwork from Casascius himself, this is very likely your ONLY opportunity to get one for a fair price. Think about it.

Zepher

Just wanted to clarify a few things.

The coins have all been taken out of the paper tube the came in have been put into coin capsules to protect them from the air. This was done immediately upon receipt. They were not touched by hand during this process, but obviously Mike Caldwell at Cascascius may have handled them when he made the coins up, though these are from the last batch ever made and he started wearing gloves to protect the coins for the later batches. Please see the photos for details of each coins condition. They are basically as mint as they can be.

The certificates of authenticity are not PGP (though Mike did offer these to some buyers in the early days). They are the later style of certificate, an PDF of a scan of the coins, whcih Mike made and then signed with his Adobe key which is registered to him. Please take a look at the certificates included in the pack I made available to download (http://madmacs.datashell.co.uk/item/8a4956a5d47e4617acac380efcdb73f7).

I've also updated the title of the thread.

Interested in a 0.5 Cas or are they all gone already?   :'(

If so and someone wants to unload one on me please let me know and thanks :D

Me too!
Seems like they were all snatched up early but would be happy to offload one from someone if there is availability after krogothmanhattan gets his.

Awesome. Thank you for the clarification there, No_2, and for the thread title change :) appreciate it. No matter what, if push comes to shove, I'll cover the others coins myself purely due to the condition yours are in/the way you have kept them/last batch/COA's etc.

I know exactly what you mean about the PDF style COA's, and imo are just as good as a PGP Chain of Custody. The whole point is you don't get all of this when you buy a Casascius coin anywhere else. These are special for those reasons.

I am sure this will fill soon, and then I will be in touch - and we can arrange a face to face. I'm based in Nottingham and can drive to wherever you are (don't care that I have doxed myself - QS has done it before anyway and I really don't give a shit :D ). We'll get this deal sorted bud.

Ill jump in on the .5 btc train reserve list and if that doesn’t work Out I’m interested in a 1 btc. But I have a lot of questions about shipping and that sort of thing...

Also, I looked at the zip and I can’t really figure out the adobe thing. How can you prove it was from Mike based off a pdf?

Ticked - 1 x 0.5 BTC*
Anonymous (Person is legit but would prefer to remain anonymous) - 10 19 x 1 BTC*
Zepher - 5 x 0.5 BTC.*
Lesbian Cow - 5 x 1 BTC, 5 x 0.5 BTC.*
minerjones - 5 x 0.5 BTC*
BitMiner713 - 2 x 0.5 BTC*
krogothmanhattan - 1 x 0.5 BTC*
AT101ET - 1 x 0.5 BTC*
phishhead - 1 x 1 BTC*

* - These are all on the basis that we come to an agreement on price everyone is happy with.

Remaining Coins Available:

0 x 1 BTC - "Anonymous" has agreed to take the final 10 coins*
0 x 0.5 BTC - ALL 20 HAVE BEEN RESERVED


I have been asked to add a reserve list for anyone who backs out of the 0.5 BTC coins:

1st position: phishhead @ 1 x 0.5 BTC Coin

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Right, this is potentially full. No_2, I will be getting in touch.

Looks like you may be out of luck here bud, as it appears all coins are taken.

I have just downloaded the ZIP and will look through it all now. The PDF's would have been signed with Mike's Adobe Key, which prove he made the COA's. I am more knowledgeable about PGP than Adobe, so I will let someone else answer that question for you.

Edit: Shipping: For all US buyers, I will ship them all to either minerjones or Lesbian Cow (depends who is available) and they will have to distribute within the US. I will do all EU shipments.

Ahh, darn :(

Well I guess just keep me on the .5 and 1 btc “reserve list” and just let me know if someone backs out. Would love to have one of these as my first cas coin :)

I will stick you on the reserve list for the 0.5 BTC, but "anonymous" has allowed you to have a 1 BTC if you want it.

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I am going to be fair and give 2 x 0.5 BTC coins to the first 2 people on the 0.5 BTC reservation list. They would be krogothmanhattan, and AT101ET. That reduces my coins to 5 x 0.5 BTC's.

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I have sent an opening offer to No_2, people involved will be kept informed of events.

Thanks,

Zepher

That is so cool of you Zepher! Thankyou very much :D

Hey, alright! \o/

Who says 'Anonymous' is dead?  Obviously 'they' are still out there gallantly looking out for the little guy, like myself :D

I have gone through roughly ~10 of the coins in the zip file No_2 uploaded, and every single coin is immaculate. You are more than welcome to download the zip yourself to view every single photo yourself.

Each coin has 6 photographs that each buyer will receive for each coin purchased!! Multiply that by 45 coins and I have 270 photo's here, all of which are such high resolution they are taking up half a GB of space on my hard drive :o Crikey. Will be deleting all the coins that are not mine once this is sorted...damn!

I am only uploading this picture for now, chosen at random, as an example of quality that you are guaranteed to receive:

https://i.imgur.com/0VilM6v.jpg

From The Casascius Uberbills Analyzer (https://casascius.uberbills.com/?address=13MkUQzFZSfnpQvZyB4GD9vvFqc8vvT72U) - for this specific coin. Click for all the info you need.

Coin was funded in the very last batch on January 8th 2014. This is the case on all ~10 coins I have checked. Some have received dust payments from addresses like 1Sochi (Sochi Olympics in 2014 I am assuming?) and others, but that does not harm the coin's value in any way whatsoever.

Balance on this specific Casascius 2013 Brass 1 BTC Coin: Exactly 1 Bitcoin - Full BTC Address for this Coin: 13MkUQzFZSfnpQvZyB4GD9vvFqc8vvT72U

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Ticked - 1 x 0.5 BTC*
Anonymous - 19 x 1 BTC*
Zepher - 5 x 0.5 BTC.*
Lesbian Cow - 5 x 1 BTC, 5 x 0.5 BTC.*
minerjones - 5 x 0.5 BTC*
BitMiner713 - 2 x 0.5 BTC*
krogothmanhattan - 1 x 0.5 BTC*
AT101ET - 1 x 0.5 BTC*
phishhead - 1 x 1 BTC*

* - These are all on the basis that we come to an agreement on price everyone is happy with.

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This is the final count for the coins, and amounts allocated to each person etc. I am unable to give you a price yet as negotiations are on-going, so please bare with me while I try secure these coins for us.

The moment I have news, you will all be informed. Please have sufficient BTC ready to send once/if a deal is confirmed, as I will want to meet No_2 to complete this within 48hrs (from deal agreed) if No_2 agrees with this too.

I will ask everyone to make payment to my usual address posted here, in my signature, and on my profile. That address is: 1ZephertJThxkHih7XcaUHBkMSnvkTt5u.


Signed message to verify this is actually Zepher:


The message verifies, but do NOT take my word for it - Verify Everything yourself.

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I'm pretty confident that a deal can be done here, especially with us combining funds - and this way, EVERYONE pays the same price as everyone else.

@No_2 - I am going to send you my phone number in a Privnote. Feel free to contact me anytime after 9am tomorrow morning.

Thanks all.

Zepher


"Anonymous" isn't whoever you think it is :D I guarantee you, you won't be able to tell who this person is! The main thing is that you are getting a coin :)

Just a note that currently I don't have any update for you, I am still waiting for No_2 to reply to my PM.

The moment I have anything to share, everyone involved will be the first to know.

Cheers,

Z

Thankyou Zeph for the efforts in doing this. ;)

Can not believe I missed out on this deal... I guess I better auction a few brass before all these flood the market  8)

Ok, so I've briefly looked up adobe key verifications and am still confused about somethings... mostly because they are referring to windows OS's and the fact that there seems to be a variety of ways of doing these sorts of things.

For one thing where do we get Mike's public key information through Adobe?  Secondly I'm on Linux, and when I look for attachments included in the PDF, it's grayed out and so I would assume either there are no attachments with his signature, or I might not have the right software for opening the attachments.

Then I don't know if the writing up in the top left is what you use to verify things as well... sometimes I've seen in tutorials that people actually sign things and include it in the pdf.  Soo... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

For those that didn't download the zip due to it's size, here's the pdf certificate for the 1 BTC coins (sorry for the really big picture):


I'm not questioning whether this is legit or not, I'm just curious to know how adobe signatures work and how I could be able to prove the signature to someone else if need be.

These are questions I personally cannot answer at this moment in time. I do know however that No_2 has been around a long time, and this sale is 100% legit. I am hoping someone else can explain how Adobe signatures work for us.


I am sure we will have answers to these questions very soon. Btw thank you for uploading that magnificent scan. :)

FWIW, I checked both of the PDF's and neither appear to have any digital signage - it looks like they were created with another app, and the date is like 5/22/2018..

Ofc, this doesn't mean anything, the info could have been lost on a copy paste depending what app was used. I'm assuming that No_2 has a Mac, or had one at some point...

Anyhow, I used two different computers / versions of Adobe acrobat and I don't see any sigs of any kinds on either. Then again, I'm no expert at this stuff, but I have used it before.

Mackerel-Chief (sorry, I mean phishead)!  ;D

Try this if you have linux? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41301138/how-to-check-if-a-pdf-has-any-kind-of-digital-signature

Owlcatz, thanks for your help here. I will personally check them to see if I can verify anything. In any case, if this lot is purchased, No_2 will obviously explain to me how it works.

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On that note, our initial offer has been declined (as of yesterday morning). I have sent a further "Final Offer" for the lot which should hopefully secure it, or sadly I will be pulling out of this sale - which I really don't want to do.

Prices offered and the accepted price (if it happens) will be revealed to the people involved ONLY once I have had another response from No_2.

Thanks,

Z

So from what I understand of the Adobe keys; they are issued by Adobe and can only be verified on Adobe PDF readers. If you use a 3rd party PDF reader then it will not read the signature and just show you the scan.

Different versions of acrobat show the signature in different ways. Some times you'll have to check via a menu option, other times it slaps a dialog box over the top of the image of the PDF.

The PDFs in the .zip have been edited so have lost the signature info. If serious buyers want to send me their email address in a PM then I can send them copies of the signed PDFs.

Mike Caldwell's key he used to sign it was from his swipe clock business [EDIT: the early PDFs were signed with his swipe clock Adobe Key, later versions of the certificates, and the ones for these coins, were signed with a casascius key he purchased specially for the coins], and also shows his name. Each key has to be purchased from Adobe with proof of ID etc and is only valid for a year at a time, so an expensive and arguably secure process.

I also asked Noah at Lealana to do the same for his coins, I understand he offered scanned signed PDF's a few buyers aside of myself in his first year of opperation.

Hey I forgot to thank you earlier for the link... tried it and still got no where with it.  I'm assuming this has to do with this fact:


So if Zepher and you (No_2) do end up reaching a deal, I'm assuming you would be willing to give everyone in the group the actual signed PDFs?  And even so, will it not even matter if Mike hasn't kept up with his yearly dues?

Yes, absolutely, the buyer gets a copy of the PDF with the signature. They'll need this to prove authenticity down the line.

Thanks for all your help here, No_2, with how Adobe Keys work.

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To everyone involved - we have reached our upper limit for this lot, and have been privately outbid. PM me for further details (buyers ONLY - any other PM's will be ignored).

I apologise, but at this time, it appears that we are going to have to pull out from this deal. :( *

Regards,

Zepher

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* I will update this if anything changes, as far as I am concerned, our top bid is still valid (But below another users bid), and something may change.

Thanks

Ahh, all good. Appreciate that you gave it a try Zepher :)

Yes Zeph...thanks for the attempt

No_2, can I get an express denial of my final offer* please.

*Only buyers aware.

So I have a firm offer for a larger amount from a contact I have dealt with before, so I'm going ahead with that. It has all been agreed, just sorting collection times etc.

If it falls through I will post back to this forum and re-open discussions.

Many thanks everyone for your interest.

Thank you :)