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Block 19100 is the start of the The Namecoin Security Test.

This gives everyone about 10 days to work it out. I would love nothing more than to see the Namecoin leadership successfully thwart this.
I would suggest some rapid client updating the difficulty, fixing the time stamp exploits and potential license mining.

The only way now you will defeat this with hash power is to get BTC, Deepbit or another pool to rescue you.

The purpose of this is information and research only. The "Skynet" Test pool will go online hopefully by tomorrow. We are generating certificates for secure access while building the pool. Currently we are at nearly 1 Tera Hash in committed miners. I am absolutely shocked at what started out as a solo project has grown into this mass effort.

In the end this will benefit Bitcoin.

Currently we are at nearly 1 Tera Hash in committed miners.

Because it isn't bullshit, we've demonstrated it.
Troll, an over used adjective that translates into anyone making a statement that someone disagrees with.
Do you think DoubleC or Ruxum are are run by people that don't know what they are doing?

Can you explain the 20,000 block generation in 73 minutes on Geist Geld, I think not, but I can. It wasn't my creation, it was ArtForz, we simply ran with it.

Block 19102 will be the point truth now won't it?

The fact these "hackers" are allowed to post here even though some of them have already caused monetary loss to others is surprising. By helping facilitate people known to have done such things the forum owners themselves could be liable for damages. And I'd advise anyone affected to date by such things to look into it.

... says CoinHunter?  I'd recommend posting thoughts of this nature under a new name... heh

Coinhunter (like him or not) has been pretty consistent with his personality/results from the start.

I have backed up the Namecoin block chain and have shut down my namecoind.

If this attack succeeds, I assume that it can be reversed by patching namecoind to reject this new chain.

This attack would be a non-issue if we were already doing merged mining.

I have backed up the Namecoin block chain and have shut down my namecoind.

If this attack succeeds, I assume that it can be reversed by patching namecoind to reject this new chain.

This attack would be a non-issue if we were already doing merged mining.

can this or similar countermeasure be automatically deployed in case of attack ?

Because of the nature of the attack I think this has to be a manual effort. I could be wrong.

Because it isn't bullshit, we've demonstrated it.
Troll, an over used adjective that translates into anyone making a statement that someone disagrees with.
Do you think DoubleC or Ruxum are are run by people that don't know what they are doing?

Can you explain the 20,000 block generation in 73 minutes on Geist Geld, I think not, but I can. It wasn't my creation, it was ArtForz, we simply ran with it.

Block 19102 will be the point truth now won't it?

Let me put it this way: You're saying that you have more hashing power than every pool other than Deepbit, btcguild, and Slush. Additionally, that's without having even advertised your rouge pool on this forum.

Please tell me how you actually expect us to believe that.

He says he works at Apple, and if that's the case, especially if he works in a HW lab, he has access to a TON of equipment.  Can you corroborate his IP with that of Apple Inc?  It would be a shame if he were wasting valuable corporate resources and/or time on either coordinating an attack or browsing these forums on company time.

Anybody down for a social attack on BitcoinEXpress, just for the lulz?  I mean, it'd be for his own good anyway so he can better protect himself in the future. :D

I'm down. What city did he say he worked in? I know it was one outside the United States.

Maybe because he is lying and pulling a war of the worlds style attack on the cryptocurrency community?  Can he do it?  I have no doubt that he can, does he have a legitimate Terrahash to throw at it? Doubtful unless he has some of those pools backing him.  The one thing I think he has proved is how fickle and two faced the community is, I mean when Artforz attacked Solidcoin he is treated like some champion saint, but when BTCExpress mentions he is going to attack Namecoin you are all up in arms...  maybe I'm dumb but it doesn't make sense to me?...

You all really need to get your heads on straight and learn to have some integrity and principles.  There is really no difference in this case vs. what Artforz did, now the next half dozen posts will probably try to argue otherwise but I guarantee they will be based off the same false logic.

Both would be malicious attacks on a valid production cryptocurrency - scope does not matter, delusions of what constitutes a valid co-currency are also a non-issue.
Both could have been performed in isolated test networks but both would have been done "to prove a point" or worse in Artforz's case out of vengeance - In neither case did anyone have to harm the integrity of a live system hurting unknown numbers of innocent bystanders to "prove their points"
In both cases the malicious offenders don't really understand what they are doing - Artforz didn't realize he would crash people's nodes, BTCExpress has no clue what side ramifications this will have if he really does pull it off.

At best BTCExpress is trying to save namecoin by getting a bunch of miners who wouldn't have otherwise mined namecoin to help them out of charity to get to the point where merged mining will kick in, and for that I think he is probably doing a SPECTACULAR job.  At worst he is getting a chuckle out of the War of the Worlds scare he has brought onto the whole community.

Am I going to say he won't do it?  Well no that would be dumb, people need to protect their selves... am I suggesting that it likely won't happen, in my opinion that is correct.

@Mr Wizard

I think the creator of GeistGeld can readily verify that I have 68 GH/s of my own.

As far as believing, we have proven it to the right people. Gavin and others are aware of this exploit but have kept quiet about it.

Glad you like it, he also claims he can do it with as little as 25% of the power.... would seem to me doing it to Bitcoin itself in not that far outside his reach with all the support you all have for these "testers", will that be the next great test, he does need to know the limits after all.  Am I right people?  Ya BTCExpress, just go straight for Bitcoin, that after all is the MOST realistic test, a lot of people here would love to see your data.

This attack is only really possible at over 90% power (which he seems to have), unless he actually found a exploit in the code itself. Personally, I think that he just thinks he found a "design flaw", but we'll see. He'll be able to do this attack with this much power, anyway.

it is a design flaw Maged  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=43692.msg521772#msg521772

Yesterday I dropped the difficulty of Geist Geld to 0.6 and held it there for 73 minutes while I mined 20,000 blocks without a single orphan. The same flaw exist in NMC and I absoultely will never attack Bitcoin. I have too many put away for that.

Cheers BitXpress.

I think this is great. Though I kinda feel bad for the NMC miners, I think a live test like this is needed sometime down the road - why not now?

If GE or Apple or someone (or the Fed, whoever) drop a couple of million on hardware to try this on Bitcoin before it gets fixed, there is a bigger issue than an alt chain being experimented on.

Right, umm ya this is very useful! Fixes for this could never happen if you don't maliciously attack a live network people have vested time, effort and money into.  Well said Johnj!  I feel as retarded as you are now!  It feels great!

It's ready!

I pay just under 20% more than what deepbit will pay help save Namecoins!

Just click PPS check box beside your worker and BOOM you are getting paid btc I keep the NMC however you can get proportional namecoins if you like.

Your shares are updated once a NMC block is found so the more blocks we find the faster you BTC end up in your wallet.

You do realize the only reason BitcoinEXpress and ArtForz are attacking other chains is to cause panic and lower the BTC price on the market. They both have substantial BTC saved up and every time they can get the price lower, they make bank on the upswing when the dust settles. They can say it is to strengthen the Bitcoin network, but I know otherwise. If that was their true goal then test networks would be involved instead of live chains.

Well, from personal experience ArtForz  is a very civilized and helpful individual who will gladly help out in tightening stuff up and patching  vulnerabilities in Bitcoin.

Fixed it for you :)

This place has really gone down hill since IXcoin. It's accelerating to a kind of singularity but one where the man on the street is going the way of the dodo.

I think the next alternate block chain project is going to require licensed mining.

Whats the biggest bet you are willing to accept?

Whats the biggest bet you are willing to accept?

If that was their true goal then test networks would be involved instead of live chains.

Whats the biggest bet you are willing to accept?

It wasn't an idle threat, I've lethally demonstrated it twice, Once on Geist Geld and Once on the SC testnet for CH on his ver 1.10 hence his rapid shutdown. Withdrawing the attack due to a negotiated settlement.