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Title: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: srw on June 09, 2018, 03:32:46 AM
Hi everyone,

We just published an article showing how real world arbitrage in crypto is more difficult that what many people claim. The article is available here (https://blog.coinfabrik.com/what-i-have-learned-from-my-arbitrage-experiences-with-cryptoassets/) and is the starting point of a series of articles in this topic.

Hope it helps.
srw


Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: Wind_FURY on June 09, 2018, 05:29:10 AM
From your blog.

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Most of the arbitrage opportunities disappear after considering exchange fees and transaction commissions.

Most of the arbitrage opportunities appear between exchanges where wallets are on maintenance, which makes deposits and withdrawals impossible.

Transaction times between exchanges cause arbitrage to become a lottery due to market volatility.

Arbitrage is better used when you have another user working with you on the other exchange. In arbitrage trading, transactions should be done within seconds. Moving Bitcoins from one exchange to another would be inefficient and a waste of time.

In the financial markets, a broker in an exchange from one country take advantage of arbitrage opportunities by working with other brokers in exchanges of other countries.

#WorkTogether


Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: davis196 on June 09, 2018, 06:08:13 AM
From your blog.

Quote
Most of the arbitrage opportunities disappear after considering exchange fees and transaction commissions.

Most of the arbitrage opportunities appear between exchanges where wallets are on maintenance, which makes deposits and withdrawals impossible.

Transaction times between exchanges cause arbitrage to become a lottery due to market volatility.

Arbitrage is better used when you have another user working with you on the other exchange. In arbitrage trading, transactions should be done within seconds. Moving Bitcoins from one exchange to another would be inefficient and a waste of time.

In the financial markets, a broker in an exchange from one country take advantage of arbitrage opportunities by working with other brokers in exchanges of other countries.

#WorkTogether

You are right,but having a partner increases the risk of being scammed by that partner.
That`s why people are developing arbitrage trading bots.I can`t say wether they work or not,but it`s better to rely on a bunch or software,inistead of another human.Sad but true.


Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: butka on June 09, 2018, 06:58:41 AM
Very interesting article. I know of people who lost money trying to implement similar strategies with different exchanges.
Thanks for sharing the python code. I'm gonna try your code myself, not for arbitrage trading, which as you explain doesn't work so well,
but to learn how to use the ccxt library.


Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: Tankdestroyer on June 09, 2018, 08:00:17 AM
That`s why people are developing arbitrage trading bots.I can`t say wether they work or not,but it`s better to rely on a bunch or software.
I think using arbitrage bots are riskier than working together with a human. Given that you know the other people well and trusts him, it would be better to just work with him to do arbitrage trading because bots can steal your money faster than a human. You can sue them for scamming you though if it is human(because you will know their identity) but a bot's developer is anonymous, making them face lawsuit harder.


Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: Tytanowy Janusz on June 09, 2018, 10:32:07 AM
Why a partner? Why dont just create account on every exchange, sell on one and buy on other? Why is partner nessasary for it?
You can also lanch YT tutorial video and code your own trading bot. Its the safest and the fastest way to arbitrage.


Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: dunfida on June 09, 2018, 11:06:52 AM
From your blog.

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Most of the arbitrage opportunities disappear after considering exchange fees and transaction commissions.

Most of the arbitrage opportunities appear between exchanges where wallets are on maintenance, which makes deposits and withdrawals impossible.

Transaction times between exchanges cause arbitrage to become a lottery due to market volatility.

Arbitrage is better used when you have another user working with you on the other exchange. In arbitrage trading, transactions should be done within seconds. Moving Bitcoins from one exchange to another would be inefficient and a waste of time.

In the financial markets, a broker in an exchange from one country take advantage of arbitrage opportunities by working with other brokers in exchanges of other countries.

#WorkTogether

You are right,but having a partner increases the risk of being scammed by that partner.
That`s why people are developing arbitrage trading bots.I can`t say wether they work or not,but it`s better to rely on a bunch or software,inistead of another human.Sad but true.
Abritrage bots do exist because of such problem on where people online cant really be easily trusted but somehow having another human partner into other exchange would really be more effective rather than on bots.Time is crucial when it comes to this kind of trading.If you are late then you will suffice your fee which would really be annoying. It is really hard indeed but if you do have the things needed then its possible for easy money but we do all know these chances are slim or rare to happen between exchangers.


Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: buwaytress on June 09, 2018, 01:14:04 PM
Am I the only one who can't find the link?

It's always funny to see how articles and people need to justify what should be common sense. Arbitrage in ANY market exists, but is more difficult to take advantage of in reality. Outside of exclusive arbitrade and insider trading that we all know goes on with these centralised platforms (yes, Coinbase/GDAX, I'm looking at you), the arbitrage opportunities you and I can see are difficult to manage and still require trusting the intermediary in the other country.

Would I love to take advantage of arbitrage right now going on in Zimbabwe, Venezuela and Iran, where Bitcoin is in demand? Sure. Do I want to trust some guy over there to help me take advantage of prices? Sure. Do I want to badly? Not badly enough.


Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: Nisharawal on June 09, 2018, 02:56:46 PM
Hi everyone,

We just published an article showing how real world arbitrage in crypto is more difficult that what many people claim. The article is available here (https://blog.coinfabrik.com/what-i-have-learned-from-my-arbitrage-experiences-with-cryptoassets/) and is the starting point of a series of articles in this topic.

Hope it helps.
srw

Arbitrage trading is a very good concept of trading and you can do it profitably and in best way if you do the transactions within few minutes. It all depends on how fast you buy the cryptocoins from one exchange and then sell it to another exchange within few minutes of time.There are few software and process available in the market which can help you earning good profits by arbitrage trading. But the process to find the good software has to done by us and it will take some tons of time and research. I am doing arbitrage trading quite successfully with the help of CRYPTOSUITE software for more information you can inbox me anytime.


Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: srw on June 09, 2018, 06:57:55 PM
Am I the only one who can't find the link?

There is a link in the "here" but copying the URL for convenience: https://blog.coinfabrik.com/what-i-have-learned-from-my-arbitrage-experiences-with-cryptoassets/



Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: Wind_FURY on June 10, 2018, 05:56:17 AM
From your blog.

Quote
Most of the arbitrage opportunities disappear after considering exchange fees and transaction commissions.

Most of the arbitrage opportunities appear between exchanges where wallets are on maintenance, which makes deposits and withdrawals impossible.

Transaction times between exchanges cause arbitrage to become a lottery due to market volatility.

Arbitrage is better used when you have another user working with you on the other exchange. In arbitrage trading, transactions should be done within seconds. Moving Bitcoins from one exchange to another would be inefficient and a waste of time.

In the financial markets, a broker in an exchange from one country take advantage of arbitrage opportunities by working with other brokers in exchanges of other countries.

#WorkTogether

You are right,but having a partner increases the risk of being scammed by that partner.
That`s why people are developing arbitrage trading bots.I can`t say wether they work or not,but it`s better to rely on a bunch or software,inistead of another human.Sad but true.

But your partner does not have to be some stranger on the internet. It can be a trusted friend who has Bitcoins and access to another exchange that you don't.

Many of the "traders" of Bitcoin are not well funded professionals.


Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: Altcoins enthusiast on June 10, 2018, 06:43:48 AM
Hi everyone,

We just published an article showing how real world arbitrage in crypto is more difficult that what many people claim. The article is available here (https://blog.coinfabrik.com/what-i-have-learned-from-my-arbitrage-experiences-with-cryptoassets/) and is the starting point of a series of articles in this topic.

Hope it helps.
srw
Thank you for pointing this out for us and I think this is reality.  Many arbitrage bots sellers has deceived many traders by giving fake reviews how they bot is performing and at the end when you buy them you will regretting.  I read most of the article you will be writing on this.


Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: riaruhs09 on June 10, 2018, 07:43:07 AM
Interestingly enough, arbitration usually becomes a springboard when we begin to get tired of the continuing losses and often arbitrage gives us a huge advantage if we do it thoroughly. but it must be remembered that all things must have risks.


Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: colkcolk on June 10, 2018, 09:07:51 AM
All things have the risk, it is including arbitrage. The risk in arbitrage trading is delay of transfer the cryptocurrency we own into other wallet address while the price is always moving. If the movement is inline with our opening price, it can increase our profit but if the price move in reverse direction that our opening transaction then we will have a risk for loss.


Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: nniicckk on June 10, 2018, 09:32:10 AM
I use a simple inside-the-counter free bot yobit. Looking for currencies that can be bought for BTC and sell for USD with a profit. And vice versa. Automatically buys and sells.
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Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: dadanpradana on August 10, 2018, 06:01:14 AM
depending on you see the token network, wallet deposit and transaction costs.

network token: eg Ethereum network, OMNI network, NEO network

wallet deposit: usually some Exchange closes the Deposit wallet for network repairs, if you force transfer the token, your token will be suspended.

transaction costs: see the costs for shipping, if the cost is greater than the profit then there is no need to abit.


Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: Cacao2017 on August 10, 2018, 07:05:06 AM
With so many different combinations of cryptoassets, they can easily be confused with some of the basic concepts I know of. The Platform Token is a unique cryptoasset for a particular platform and the token The utility is that they work with a specific application instead of the entire platform that is the most basic knowledge about cryptoassets that I have collected.


Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: omonuyak on August 10, 2018, 07:33:27 AM
Arbitrage trade is not easy and it is not as profitable as you think.  I have tried to arbitrage trade and i have also lose money.  I think we can only succeed in trade if we know the rest involved and learn how to trade professionally before you can makes money from it.


Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: Binugon on August 10, 2018, 07:51:55 AM
Hi everyone,

We just published an article showing how real world arbitrage in crypto is more difficult that what many people claim. The article is available here (https://blog.coinfabrik.com/what-i-have-learned-from-my-arbitrage-experiences-with-cryptoassets/) and is the starting point of a series of articles in this topic.

Hope it helps.
srw

Although Bitcoin is a digital currency, arbitration treats every Bitcoin no more than an investment asset at a different market price. See arbitrage opportunities as simple as finding different Bitcoin exchanges where there is a material difference in the market price of Bitcoin. Performing arbitrage that actually follows methods such as using fiat currency for Bitcoin at the first exchange, then transferring Bitcoin to the second exchange where there is a profit then selling Bitcoin on the second exchange and finally withdrawing the currency from the second exchange.


Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: alex3.alex03 on August 10, 2018, 08:06:01 AM
Interestingly enough, arbitration usually becomes a springboard when we begin to get tired of the continuing losses and often arbitrage gives us a huge advantage if we do it thoroughly. but it must be remembered that all things must have risks.
Yes, there are risks everywhere and they need to be taken into account, however, arbitrage transactions are considered one of the least risky operations in the crypto currency market.


Title: Re: What I have learned from my arbitrage experiences with cryptoassets
Post by: Damn3d on August 10, 2018, 06:02:03 PM
Hi everyone,

We just published an article showing how real world arbitrage in crypto is more difficult that what many people claim. The article is available here (https://blog.coinfabrik.com/what-i-have-learned-from-my-arbitrage-experiences-with-cryptoassets/) and is the starting point of a series of articles in this topic.

Hope it helps.
srw
Thanks for sharing that because many of guys were taking some advantage and some success are not willing to share with others because they think that they will give birth to a many competitors by sharing their example.