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Here on bitcointalk we should strive to be a place of integrity and high morals.  If we trade in our morals for the allure of money we are essentially scumbags.

A lot of young users will get drawn in by these evil sites like fortunejack, bitdice, etc.  We should  protect these newcomers and not expose them to gambling websites.  

I will be starting a petition to ban all gambling advertising, gambling boards, and gambling discussion to be completely removed on bitcointalk.

Let's make this a safe place for new users and people with low IQ that don't understand odds and how the house will always win in the end.

Casinos are predatory by nature and are their sole mission is to extract as much money as they can from customers.

Who is "we" in this sentence? You just joined! I'm still waiting for your evidence on Sex for merit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4457400.msg39902362#msg39902362).

Soon they'll also discover porn sites! Let's close the internet.
Seriously, it's up to parents to teach the dangers of the internet to their children. Adjusting one website doesn't change anything.

What makes you think Bitcointalk is a democracy? Theymos values freedom of speech, which means you're free to suggest this, but don't expect it to be implemented.

I love your spelling on this :D

The dream of any company. Even Disneyland!

The sex for merit issue was resolved.  I'm relatively new to this forum but I have had a hand in cryptocurrency and the darkweb for many years.  There are a lot of users  merit trading on the dark web, to them its just another cryptocurrency to trade.   I'm sure most of you know the cyber sex and such that goes on in the dark web.

Firstly, if fortuneJack still have their stupid campaign rule of 75% of posts being in the gambling section, then I'd be against that as ever since I first looked at it I thought it would encourage a lot of spam in that section.

Gambing is something we shouldn't try to controle, most sites are provably fair and people should know that the house always wins it's up to the conscience of the gambler to stop when they want and if they lose control, to try to find help for it.


I can think of a lot of stuff you're probably alluding to however I'm not sure what part(s) you're suggesting there?

This has been argued over countless pages and countless threads. Take a look back through Meta and give yourself a read through the longer ones, but personally I don't think any more discussion (especially discussion that's starting from square one like this thread) will help much.

That's like saying the contents of a garbage dump should strive to be a fine dining experience.

Sounds like someone has a gambling problem and now thinks everyone should stop gambling.  People are generally smart enough to make their own decisions, thank you.  Bitcointalk doesn't need to be their moral nanny--not that it could be anyway.  

Getting rid of sig campaigns is a good idea for many, better, reasons but what OP has laid down isn't one of them.  I don't gamble, but everyone is free to make their own choices.  Back in the day there was a big argument that music, movies, and other media were responsible for kids getting into satanism, drugs, and all that other stuff.  It's just not true.  Ted Bundy blamed pornography for his own serial killing--it's a nice way to deflect blame, but it's not reality.

Hey OP

We were all waiting for an update on this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4457400.msg39902362#msg39902362
What happened? I was hoping to see a good drama in. Where is the proof and the explanation about this "sex favor"

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Better to start a petition to ban all users under 18 or 21

What makes gambling unmoral? People aren't trading in their morals for the allure of cash. Gambling can be somewhat fun in moderation. They aren't stealing your money, and you aren't funding some lab that researches on animals. I don't get it why people say gambling is unethical. It might be stupid, and a quick way to lose your hard earned cash, but that's your fault really for not having self control.

Sites aren't directly stealing your money it might seem that way as the odds are indeed stacked against you, but you know this before going in. I guess we have to ban all people investing in Bitcoin too right? Isn't that a sort of gamble?

Really? It's not that surprising that they would want people to be active in the gambling section, because they are targeting a specific audience. I don't personally have a problem if some gambling company wants most of their advertisements in the gambling section, however it would be best that they select participates on their history, and only enroll those who are active in the gambling section beforehand to prevent unnecessary posts.  

I'm not sure if they do this, but if they select those who are already active in the gambling section then let them be. After all they can specify what they want, and it's probably better to see gambling related signatures in the gambling section rather than Meta.

The forum has nothing to do with your IQ's. You want the forum to adjust and level with your stock knowledge? If you don't understand how gambling system works, including those basic gambling terms, then stay away, simple as that.

We all have precious working brain that resides in our head..

Come on, please used it.

Yes I wasn't entirely sure on that but I used to look at a thread like freebitco.in and it used to just have loads of FJ sig posters on it and not much else inbetween (the odd newbie with an issue maybe). Sure, if they screen their users beforehand then find but if we're going to section off parts of the forum for certain posters who are fearful of losing their signature spaces by switching things up and posting in a different board then IMO that is where the spammy parts might start to come in. I mean, until recently FJ were the highest paying signature so it made sense they had rules like that...

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Also if we say that gambling should go, lending and trading could be considered similar in nature to gambling (especially pump-dump coins like doge) are we going to see them be cut next?
So what does that leave: Serious Discussion, Ivory Tower, Local Boards, Bitcoin Technical Support, Bitcoin Discussion, Beginners & Help and Meta.

Get rid of ICOs also, they're more likely to scam and they don't really do much either anyway other than allowing for their bad developers to rake in a bit of extra money...

There's nothing immoral about gambling. I'd say it's more immoral to try and become a nanny state and enforce on others what you think is best based on 'morals'.

Pretty sure op is just an alt troll account anyhow.

Nah, Hhampuz changed that, it is 5 posts in gambling section.

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OP, everyone knows that casino has advantage over players, that's why it is called gambling in first place. Besides, EV is stated in every casino on each game. It doesn't have anything to do with moral or IQ, people like to gamble and to try their luck, that's it.

Tell me, don't you think biggest problem on this forum are scam ICO's which are lurking naive investors? Ponzi scams?

You are basically bashing few gambling site for reasons known only to you and you are blind to see hundreds scam ICO's stealing money from people.

Yeah, I'm probably going on the assumption that it's being moderated properly, and they are enrolling users who post in the gambling section anyway. I don't really mind people altering their posting habits either as long as it's constructive the thing is this is rarely the case. Fortune Jack rings a bell to me, however I can't really remember much about their campaign, and how well managed it is. 

someone who's familiar with darkweb, porn, fraud, drugs and etc there but against gambling ::)
so you're ok with many of negative things in darkweb (I heard it's full of illegal activities) but you despise gambling
you go extra mile to protect people from falling to those 'evil sites' (gambling websites) but on the other hand you support everything else on darkweb
umm... have you just lost big on a gambling site? :D ;D :P

See, that's the thing I like about the gambling industry. At least it's not pretending to be anything else but. And some of the longest running crypto casinos out there have shown more respect to their players than some of the "investment opportunities" to their "investors".


To be more on topic, I'm fine with gambling advertisements on Bitcointalk. People who want to gamble, will find a way to gamble. And most crypto casinos seem to be at least more social in nature than most of the "traditional" online casinos out there.

There is something called "traditional" online casinos? But yeah crypto ones seem much better, only their way of handling things sucks a bit.

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OP, provide the proof on the sex for merit theory, come on man. You gotta do it!

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And banning gambling would lead the forum to break its own policies. Also have you ever read this:

They are probably not called "traditional" online casinos, but your typical non-crypto gambling website is usually very different from your typical crypto gambling website.

Crypto casinos very rarely offer sports betting and non-crypto casinos usually have a strong focus on slots. I've never seen dice games outside of crypto. Unlike crypto casinos, non-crypto casinos seem to rarely focus on community building / group chats. Oh, and then there's of course that whole "provable fair" thing. I don't think we're ever going to see that outside of crypto, especially since the house edge of non-crypto casinos seems to be much higher than one would like to publicly advertise (ignoring games such as Roulette, obviously, as here the house edge is pretty much the same).

I guess that's mostly because non-crypto casinos usually target players that go into meatspace casinos / sportbet bars as well, while crypto casinos target, well, crypto-enthusiasts.

Seriously? Ban everything what is related to gambling, but same time allow to advertise scams (cloud mining, hyips and similar stuff). And maybe we should also have to ban ICO's on Bitcointalk. It's risky investment "and new users and people with low IQ" often lose money by investing in ICO's. And Bitcoin is also risky investment - maybe we should close forum to protect newbies from risky investments? Where I can sign a petition.
OP, I don't get, it's serious suggestion or you are just trolling?

I honestly don't know how these gambling sites work or hell how to even play in a casino. I will learn one day surely though.

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Hey,He is NOT DIGARAN. Therefore, he is not trolling. He just is a gambling addict who also had sex with some one for 100 merits. >:(

Gambling does definitely not violate human morality.
Everyone are equals in terms of their rights to choose joining gambling sites or not. No one can force them to do this.

No thanks.

BTT has always been a safe place if users have enough experiences, be smart, be patient. No one, including Theymos can protect them from potential threads, only they can do this.

It is curious because bitcoin started to become more popular and adopted thanks to gambling, and also to the drug market on the deep web.

Those who want to ban bitcoin use the same reasoning: bitcoin can lead to drug trafficking and other crimes, so, ban bitcoin.

Gambling has a dark side because some people end up having problems but this guy is clearly a troll.

Banning websites, forums, which have spread information of bitcoin and advestiments on gambling using bitcoin, like BTT forum.  ::)

Banning improper advertising and campaigns might be sounding ethically correct but you also need to be practical. The admin has denied advertising slots in suspicious cases , so he is already doing everything possible.

Now coming back to gambling related projects, if the site is genuine it should not be a problem. I mean if the website starts cheating the players, then it is something worth removing. The campaigns you mentioned are running for years here without any such major complaints.

Let people gamble. They are not doing any harm to anyone, maybe harming themselves.

You think you are "protecting people from themselves", but you are causing a greater damage than what you want to combat.

Well, I don't think millionaires who hang out in Macau and Vegas would agree with your theory about "low IQ" being one of the reasons for gambling.

Hey buddy your a piece of trash.  Your promoting a gambling site for what reason?  So you can line your pockets with a few pennies, you make me sick.

FTFY

I had evidence of someone that was exchanging sex for merit, the issue has already been resolved by the way.

On the other hand, theymos don't allow to advertise ICO's, NSFW websites, various kind of investment websites on forum ad slots, so he can reject ads of gambling websites if he would want, but as you see he don't think that's something wrong to promote gambling websites. And forum users can advertise whatever they want in their signatures. You even can advertise thing which aren't even absolutely legal.

When and where? You never showed the proof!

in this im with but howcan we fight the guys who sex for merit ??? are cia going to close this site ? what if a kid got raped cuz his legendary account ? oh shit im leaving

I came to an agreement with the guilty party so the proof will not be shown.  I'll leave it at that.

Agreement? What kind of agreement?
Sex for the proof or merit for the proof? Lol

Yeah no. You ain't a lawyer or a judge to do that. Now come on, admit it that someone slept with you for merit and then never called you back. :-\

I think that there is no sense to prohibit it on bitcointalk. Everyone has their own head on their shoulders. You can't learn from someone else's experience. I apologize for my English.

At the end of the day we are talking about something which is highly subjective, and applying any kind of moderation to highly subjective issues never really works. If you don't think gambling is moral then don't visit that section. If you find the advertisements annoying then that's a personal issue. 

"evil sites like fortunejack", "people with low IQ", OMG what are you talking about! There are many people who are thankful to such sites as fortunejack and so on. Yes, the house always win and it is like logical thing, that's why gambling business is blossoming over the world. I am not agree that the forum should be cleared up from gambling signature campaigns, if a person has really low IQ he will be scammed in any case and the whole forum is dangerous to him in this case.

The person that gave you 1 merit point advertises a gambling signature

You do realize that gambling is part and parcel of human nature right? Even if there is no money involved, we find ways to gamble our time, belongings and ideas. In fact, gambling is almost as old as human civilization, and a rudimentary form of stake based gambling is found in almost all mammals.

Let's be honest, this is a niche forum, there are very few children on this website, and certainly even fewer are unaware of the risks of gambling. Yes, these people have a chance to lose a lot of money, but that's their choice. They also stand a chance at winning a significant amount of money if they gamble carefully at the most opportune moment.

70% of staff and other trusted members are either involved directly with casinos or indirectly are supporting them, you are suggesting to cut down their income. good luck on that.

Judging by the post quality recently I think the age demographic has significantly decreased. I'm not necessarily saying this is a bad thing, although certain users aren't exactly showing they are mature, and experienced.