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Title: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: MelMan2002 on September 21, 2011, 02:05:53 AM Is it possible to track down the thief who stole my 90 bitcoins? It was taken in 2 transactions, both to the same destination address:
http://pi.uk.com/bitcoin/address/1FfoAXmHk14vSPzkSrDyYBjbGYujMX8JQj I've been sending more bitcoins to that address (through dailybitcoins.org/) to try and get more IPs associated with the address but as far as I can tell they seem to be behind a proxy. I emailed MtGox and TradeHill to see if any of the addresses are familiar to them and they are not. Is there anyway to track this guy down?? Edit: new link for the address since it looks like pi.uk.com no longer does this: https://blockchain.info/address/1FfoAXmHk14vSPzkSrDyYBjbGYujMX8JQj Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: nmat on September 21, 2011, 03:23:51 AM How were they stolen?
Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: MelMan2002 on September 21, 2011, 01:19:53 PM I was stupid and listed them on eBay. For some reason I thought that that extra layer would make it ok to sell through PayPal but I was obviously wrong as PayPal put the dispute in the thief's favor...
Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: Alex Fenner on September 21, 2011, 02:00:19 PM that sucks man.
Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: MelMan2002 on September 21, 2011, 03:56:46 PM So no other ways to track this guy down? There must be something that I haven't thought of!
Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: ineededausername on September 21, 2011, 04:30:06 PM The untraceability of bitcoins is one of their biggest features. allinvain spent months looking for his 25k btc... it's impossible to recover. Sorry man.
Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: indio007 on September 21, 2011, 04:46:16 PM The untraceability of bitcoins is one of their biggest features. allinvain spent months looking for his 25k btc... it's impossible to recover. Sorry man. Allinvain didn't lose any bitcoins. I'm about sick of people saying he did. He didn't even mention the alleged fact on his own blog AT ALL. There is no evidence it happened in bitexplorer. He's a liar. http://alansmoneyblog.com/2011/06/ Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: Ayo_4_Yayo on September 21, 2011, 05:35:40 PM Whos Theif?
Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: MelMan2002 on September 21, 2011, 06:51:29 PM Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: Callius on September 21, 2011, 09:47:09 PM What are you going to do if you do track them down, get the police to arrest them?
Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: MelMan2002 on September 21, 2011, 09:54:48 PM What are you going to do if you do track them down, get the police to arrest them? I would probably first attempt to find a way to recover my bitcoins. Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: Callius on September 21, 2011, 09:59:16 PM What asking him kindly?
He's got them now, if a bitcoin exchnage can't get a user to give back 511BTC that was accidently sent to them I doubt you'll have much luck. Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: MelMan2002 on September 21, 2011, 10:09:43 PM What asking him kindly? He's got them now, if a bitcoin exchnage can't get a user to give back 511BTC that was accidently sent to them I doubt you'll have much luck. There are many ways that I could possibly recover my bitcoins but the fact is that I need to track down the thief first anyway so there really is no point to going into detail about it here. Please, if you don't have anything to contribute to my original question then don't post in this thread. Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: bulanula on September 21, 2011, 10:10:19 PM If ya called the bitcoin police you probably would know.
Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: Ayo_4_Yayo on September 22, 2011, 06:07:46 AM If ya called the bitcoin police you probably would know. Maybe the internet police works better since this is pretty internetsy stuff ya know.Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: Bitcoin Swami on September 22, 2011, 07:19:07 AM What asking him kindly? He's got them now, if a bitcoin exchnage can't get a user to give back 511BTC that was accidently sent to them I doubt you'll have much luck. There are many ways that I could possibly recover my bitcoins but the fact is that I need to track down the thief first anyway so there really is no point to going into detail about it here. Please, if you don't have anything to contribute to my original question then don't post in this thread. Did you get his name and email from paypal? Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: joeyjoe on September 22, 2011, 10:19:16 AM Whats their paypal account and ebay. I could sort something out for you.
Its so easy to steal btc these days. Theres so many problems with the exchanges, online btc game accounts etc. People put way too much faith into the security of simple systems. Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: MelMan2002 on September 22, 2011, 01:34:50 PM Here is his eBay/PayPal info - I'm not sure if he is the theif or if his account just got used by the theif (which is why I didn't post it in the first post). But I'm becoming more and more convinced that he is the theif, although I can't seem to prove it. I can't seem to find much googling his info:
eBay ID: skoobysnacks11 PayPal Email: b17specr@hotmail.com Shipping Address: Dominik Coderre 830 boul Cité des jeunes apt. 5 Gatineau QC J8Z 2E5 Canada Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: MelMan2002 on September 22, 2011, 01:35:46 PM BTW - he has never responded to any of my emails.
Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: joeyjoe on September 22, 2011, 01:50:54 PM definalty not canadian, hes spanish
Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: Richard Rahl on September 22, 2011, 01:56:11 PM I think the only sensible solution here is to mount an all-out offensive against Canada.
http://playerpianosara.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/blame-canada.jpg?w=324&h=279&h=185 Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: Chucksta on September 22, 2011, 02:26:32 PM I think the only sensible solution here is to mount an all-out offensive against Canada. http://playerpianosara.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/blame-canada.jpg?w=324&h=279&h=185 LOLOL <fart> Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: MelMan2002 on September 22, 2011, 08:44:36 PM So no more ideas then?
Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: Callius on September 26, 2011, 06:34:25 PM What asking him kindly? He's got them now, if a bitcoin exchnage can't get a user to give back 511BTC that was accidently sent to them I doubt you'll have much luck. There are many ways that I could possibly recover my bitcoins but the fact is that I need to track down the thief first anyway so there really is no point to going into detail about it here. Please, if you don't have anything to contribute to my original question then don't post in this thread. I am contributing to the original question tracking him down is useless if you can't do anything afterwards. The police won't be able to help you and paypal and ebay won't help because you're trying to sell a digital good with no proof of transfer and acting against their TOS's Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: DeathAndTaxes on September 26, 2011, 07:15:47 PM So no more ideas then? No. Bitcoin was designed to be irreversible and anonymous. You traded irreversible and anonymous funds for funds which were both reversible and very public. There is nothing you or anyone else can do about it at this point. The thousands of bitcoins stolen/scammed from mybitcoin have (and never will be) recovered. Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: zer0 on September 27, 2011, 10:38:15 PM didn't read the multiple warnings everywhere about using PayPal or ebay.
you got ripped off live and learn also that's probably not even his account. you can buy ebay and paypal accounts for $5/ea with thousands of funds in them to go fraud away with Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: Valalvax on September 28, 2011, 04:20:58 PM There is the option of taking Paypal to small claims court
But before you do that you need to contact them and ask them to give you your money back/do everything they say Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: hmongotaku on September 30, 2011, 11:12:17 PM what is the transaction ID on your bitcoin program & is it located on bitexplorer?
Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: zer0 on October 01, 2011, 12:21:49 AM if you're going to sell on ebay, ship the buyers registered mail or at least a flat letter with tracking. put a pin# in there so they can claim the coins off a different site you build. now you're selling a coupon/voucher not direct currency exchanging.. and it will satisfy 95% of the chargebacks you will get, especially if you only ship to verified addresses. Because you are selling a Game Card or w/e you scheme up, this doesn't violate the paypal TOS for currency trading. Read the TOS and get creative. you will win chargebacks almost everytime
LR/WMZ exchangers that gamble with paypal typically make disposable paypal accounts that are linked to an anonymous ATM card they can use to withdraw immediately to avoid fraud problems and don't do anything over $200. They also hold for 5-7 days to allow the system to claw back money if there was blatant fraud. They will wait until cash is in hand at the ATM before doing anything. This ebook will tell you everything you need to know about making dozens of non linked paypal accounts http://www.auctionstealth.com/ they also have a forum where they sell new accounts, and ebay accounts already w/feedback then you go on the talkgold forums and other sites to find people selling VBA + Atm (virtual bank account) these are cheap, can usually take out $500/day without even needing to submit ID to the bank or just xfer to your regular account once you get the funds. lot's of banks in Italy or Panama sell USD mastercards to anybody you can withdraw from any ATM in the world with for tolerable fees (add them into your price for paypal payment.. risk must = reward). this is the only safe way to sell via paypal or else they'll freeze your account and you're fucked i haven't looked into SMS code selling apparently it covers the same tracking requirement so you may get away with that instead (buywmz.com does this) Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: hmongotaku on October 03, 2011, 11:42:27 AM provide proof like this?
http://blockexplorer.com/block/00000000000006efceb03a51a7c57ac8e30fbd81c9019125d23303a1deea5986 Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: MelMan2002 on March 11, 2014, 11:24:52 PM Ok - so I looked through the leaked mtgox data and I have found a wallet associated with the account (which makes me really irritated because I contacted mtgox directly about this before and they said that the address was not associated with them >:( ). Anyway, here is the data that I found for this wallet:
Quote Wallet,Entry,Date,Operation,Amount a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,fdf28c9a-745d-4d3c-8f50-45e19611d8ff,"2011-08-27 20:13:01",deposit,19.99 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,90700c4b-979e-4fa3-bbee-41bf3a516f2e,"2011-08-27 23:21:00",deposit,1.24 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,bf2a6901-6796-4e5e-bab6-7c837785d258,"2011-08-30 09:43:01",deposit,2.99 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,f04644dd-8728-4739-97a0-84aed2ba9661,"2011-08-30 23:09:00",deposit,3.98 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,ef67ec14-21b1-4038-8cb6-bdb6754a29eb,"2011-08-30 23:26:01",deposit,7.96 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,ce1b6453-1a48-4ed8-8154-4ba3d215dded,"2011-08-31 20:41:00",deposit,5 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,a5dbdc42-93fc-47c4-a0a4-ae0027a12c97,"2011-08-31 20:44:00",deposit,12 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,524db8a4-c778-4ffb-89a6-f43e1074f1ef,"2011-08-31 23:43:00",deposit,3 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,ce07c5fe-fcb4-4170-97f0-5ea4a65101eb,"2011-09-02 23:15:00",deposit,1 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,16582cb1-ca2d-46c9-af91-6fce89e28c05,"2011-09-03 10:08:12",deposit,7 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,40aa9c03-23d4-467b-aa77-2dbca754401d,"2011-09-03 15:00:00",deposit,2 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,ba7603cf-2ceb-4d43-a499-1d3ae2816ad7,"2011-09-03 19:10:09",deposit,2 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,d4a54d9f-60b6-4b8e-91c0-fd0050fcd755,"2011-09-04 01:09:03",deposit,2 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,ccd75799-f765-47b1-beee-d15f1943e9bd,"2011-09-05 20:57:44",deposit,7 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,8c05cb1a-4899-4e24-bf46-edcdc792339c,"2011-09-06 19:55:00",deposit,1 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,fd37acaa-b681-4bec-b455-d49a25459157,"2011-09-06 20:24:00",deposit,2 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,a5a75b7e-ca05-4909-b74b-25aa3146b75b,"2011-09-07 16:24:02",deposit,30 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,dfd65139-04ea-4e3f-a10f-3d82dfc960ca,"2011-09-07 17:03:03",deposit,60 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,ace8681a-82d4-4d08-a01a-99572bff0baf,"2011-09-08 06:31:00",deposit,0.5 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,f694b4c6-7e4a-4b06-994b-66c94083b804,"2011-09-10 00:37:00",deposit,0.0005 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,677ba76f-91a3-4b6a-8dd9-11dbad9e70d2,"2011-09-10 03:29:00",deposit,0.01 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,e0daeea3-8c9d-46b4-bfad-3985857394c3,"2011-09-10 17:26:00",deposit,0.01 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,527a6b61-9939-481b-be0b-ef6912526f20,"2011-09-12 15:21:00",deposit,0.0005 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,0de8240b-0a3c-45fc-8204-52a1f7befe7f,"2011-09-14 12:10:00",deposit,0.0005 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,01b81f32-7c01-4bfc-81c2-e65e982d2f0b,"2011-09-16 13:18:00",deposit,0.0025 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,15f576e6-38ce-4ae0-bc35-b733e31d7844,"2011-09-16 15:13:00",deposit,3 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,f38d507d-2d1b-4724-978f-a820140cfde1,"2011-09-17 14:06:00",deposit,2 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,8b9b12a5-f60a-4a0d-931c-b26e9bb749e6,"2011-09-18 01:39:00",deposit,0.0005 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,ceee8358-45f8-498a-bff8-a3d9d1488525,"2011-09-18 01:39:00",deposit,0.0005 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,9430097b-033d-4ced-9049-ad26f47d3b3f,"2012-01-11 14:38:00",deposit,55 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,1c41bc0e-e054-430c-b90e-90199f3fb116,"2012-01-12 14:09:00",deposit,52.44 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,ab439e9e-6cfb-4661-b174-ae6f1ef469cd,"2012-01-12 18:10:00",deposit,1 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,5aba2848-82f9-42c8-8fa4-713741326fab,"2012-01-13 00:41:00",deposit,14 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,77401382-b825-4728-aae6-80941cd4450b,"2012-01-14 21:30:55",deposit,2.3 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,c873b660-2b75-429a-882b-4ca580669227,"2012-01-16 19:20:00",deposit,30 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,ac5b6279-707f-495e-b968-b284622ed37e,"2012-01-16 19:22:00",deposit,5 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,efe53ee0-2a0e-4427-b531-a599c8009802,"2012-01-16 20:03:00",deposit,60 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,3029d990-032c-4cba-a8d2-eda15ad9822e,"2012-01-16 20:47:16",deposit,20 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,0b05f0b5-d3fb-419e-ac1f-03c2cb0b3031,"2012-01-16 20:47:26",deposit,20 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,87127d14-83e3-47b4-8662-36f323ff0214,"2012-01-17 02:54:22",deposit,20 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,43359987-6f12-438b-9367-e702cb22cc91,"2012-01-18 20:29:01",deposit,1 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,61c823d8-4a50-4212-9fbc-fd2464cadd25,"2012-01-18 21:58:02",deposit,1 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,c86dbb95-7ebd-45cb-b82f-da80d1809f29,"2012-01-18 21:58:02",deposit,1 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,858a988b-b4e3-403a-bce2-e1e4753ad259,"2012-01-18 21:59:00",deposit,1 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,38b78033-8684-42ef-8ef4-f278b4314638,"2012-01-18 22:36:00",deposit,10 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,67cd2961-a72b-4e88-9f34-bc461bd16a48,"2012-01-19 03:15:01",deposit,0.05 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,35f1d936-c45e-4db6-a5b2-b6fe7e6f5736,"2012-01-19 03:16:00",deposit,1 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,b45a0c83-0289-4a54-b53f-70cbe13eb865,"2012-01-19 06:47:01",deposit,0.98 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,449b0184-123f-424a-817f-f62520fca6d8,"2012-01-20 16:58:00",deposit,1 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,a7519456-83c3-49df-88b2-1385255ae2af,"2012-01-20 19:23:00",deposit,1 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,a8cad929-fef0-4b58-b9d2-1aa66dfafe6f,"2012-01-20 21:22:00",deposit,4 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,4afe03f3-6725-4f57-b94d-d7184d4a6d4b,"2012-01-24 15:23:47",deposit,20 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,0105f8e8-66cc-461e-875a-c0980f6cdb0a,"2012-01-26 20:34:46",deposit,50 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,de3cf860-5e64-4798-b9b0-71f5f9602724,"2012-01-27 06:37:01",deposit,5 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,65ded8a8-217f-44f7-8df1-bc1b00848a17,"2012-01-27 18:11:02",deposit,5 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,6aec7242-78f4-4994-a23b-e15a31abd7d5,"2012-01-12 17:23:16",withdraw,-30 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,5de8d2dd-24c0-4da2-9e6f-ef63d53ea6ea,"2012-01-20 16:16:54",withdraw,-100 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,c9908c8a-b20f-465b-b91f-19e2a1d34831,"2012-01-27 16:16:19",withdraw,-100 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,c73e3488-53f2-4095-9c0a-216972e37cc2,"2012-02-06 13:28:06",withdraw,-59 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,9bb94af1-4512-40ee-bcc2-5c86bd8994e4,"2011-08-19 01:01:06",deposit,1.4 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,1fdc3473-9300-4884-8899-76ef1f59f08a,"2011-08-21 22:52:00",deposit,11 a3f401b5-24c2-4fbd-97f1-33bf0b27d100,9991c382-b460-4a19-b028-887e2507fe1d,"2011-08-22 10:00:08",deposit,1.99 Now - how can we identify the owner of this wallet? Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: MelMan2002 on September 25, 2014, 12:23:40 PM Alright, I managed to do some searching in the blockchain and matched up some of the transactions with addresses:
Code: Wallet,Entry,Date,Operation,Amount,destination address I did manage to get the withdrawal addresses but as far as I can tell they are another exchange (or something). I couldn't identify them as deposits into another mtgox wallet. I might be at a dead-end here unless someone has a good way to trace out things from these addresses. Anybody? Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: MelMan2002 on September 25, 2014, 12:34:45 PM Also if anyone has leaked docs that tie the name to the wallet id on gox then I guess that would work too.
Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: cryptofan5 on September 26, 2014, 03:56:18 AM If the bitcoins were stolen through Mt.gox, how would this information help? Mt.gox has apparently lost all the bitcoins anyway.
Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: MelMan2002 on September 26, 2014, 04:00:38 AM If the bitcoins were stolen through Mt.gox, how would this information help? Mt.gox has apparently lost all the bitcoins anyway. They withdrew almost all of the coins that they had in gox. Title: Re: Help - 90 BTC stolen - Possible to track down theif? Post by: MelMan2002 on November 29, 2017, 05:12:48 PM I still haven't had any closure from this. Anyone have any fresh ideas?
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