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Title: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 12:54:35 AM Vod has negative repped me not once but twice. the first time i did the same to him and he deleted his bad rep on me so i did the same. hes now done it a second time so i have done the same again. i have better things to be doing with my time than bickering with some immature member for no apparent reason other than hes obviously taken a disliking to me because i am new and i dont take kindly to being accused of being a potential scammer purely because i am new. any actual evidence in my very short time being here thus far has been good as i bought 0.12BTC off of Foysal and paid him with paypal to which hes done whatever with the money as i have not scammed him. feel free to contact him and verify that..
furthermore Vod has followed me into 2 threads making defamatory comments and telling people to beware and whatnot which allthough does not directly accuse me of being a scammer sure as hell paints a pretty picture of it though. here is my first instance of interacting with him where he basically accuses me of being a scammer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=446932.msg4941036#msg4941036 and here is what he has negative repped me for, not once but twice! seriously? wtf? (this is the first thread he followed me into) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=358172.msg4940053#msg4940053 not happy with the arguement in that thread he then follows me (for a second time) to a for sale thread of mine where he paints me as a potential scammer yet again: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=449416.0 seriously.. sort it out. im not interested in bickering with him i just want to be left alone and let any transactions i do on here speak for me rather than some random guy with a bee in his bonnet for newbies. ::) Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please Post by: grue on February 05, 2014, 01:41:33 AM trust system ratings are not moderated.
Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 01:43:45 AM i know but if i have not scammed someone then he should not be able to negative rep me saying that i have, am or will.
could you please tell him to delete that. i left him a neg also but as i did the first time i will remove mine as well as my signature once he has removed his stupid childish rep. or if it is unmoderated and he wants to play games im sure i could start piling the negatives up on him one after another, after another, after another, after another and so on. honestly the principle of things sticks with me so id have no issue wasting like 4 hours burying him in negative rep just for being an asshole. Vod, i hope your reading this.. you fucked with the wrong dude, delete it or the gloves are off. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 08:58:42 AM i am sorry for my behavior last night here and im sure it doest paint a nice picture but what else can i do besides shutting up and taking it? i have removed all but my initial negative rep stating that he is making false accusations because he has not removed his negative rep which is a blatant lie/defamation of character and downright slanderous and i refuse to simply bend over and take it purely because i am new and he is not.. i gave him benefit of the doubt the first time he left me bad rep and then removed it, this time he has not removed it so he deserves everything he gets.
as for mods not being able to do anything.. i dont believe that for a second.. maybe they cant remove it themselves but they sure as hell can instruct him to remove it. also looking through other rep he has got it appears he is claiming people are scammers to make himself look good on the forum as there has been loads of others getting the same treatment before me. now if that is not a troll then i dont know what is.. i was only being immature because thats the way he has behaved and i saw no other immediate way to convince him to put right what he has done wrong. what else was i suposed to do if mods will do nothing? just accept a bad rep that will mean no one will trade with me from some internet troll that doesnt know me from adam and makes false accusations against me? i think i may seriously look up the legalities of this as i know in real life someone could be taken up for defamation of character or making slanderous accusations with no evidence to back it up. i have no problem filing legal action or reporting him to whoever i can if mods will not assist me here. i registered purely out of a newly discovered interest in bitcoins, why should i be forced to have to put up with or accept accusations which are not true? quite simply i do not so until he stops being an asshole and removes his bad rep on me i will not let this go.. you DO NOT accuse people of things when they have not done anything wrong or when you have no evidence to back up your claims. @jimmyjames, i PMed him the first time he did it. before he did it the second time he blocked PM's from me so i cant just PM him hence bringing the issue into the public eye here until he learns he can not make blind accusations. just because he is hiding behind a keyboard does not mean i must therefor accept whatever he wished to do that has a direct impact on me and any potential business of mine as a member here. EDIT: also if i cannot take legal action against him then i shall take action against the site/forum for standing idly by and allowing this to happen and then doing nothing about it when i bring it to your attention as i will lose potential revenue because of his defamtory accusations. i will cease and decist any action i am looking into or start to take once the situation has been rectified, until such times i am now looking into legal action against him and/or te site/forum operators. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 09:38:00 AM it would appear that under UK law i have a case for libel here against Vod which may also include the forum operator/s. i will look up/enquire about laws internationally as well, however, under UK law and as i am already knee deep in another court case against a major government organisation (the western health and social care trust) at present which is progressing its way up to the high court and if needs be the european court of human rights i can simply inquire about a libel case against Vod/the forum operators at my next solicitors appointment and will do so unless the defamatory accusations against me are removed. im sure a little libel case will be a walk in the park compared to challenging a governmental organisation of malpractice, incompetence, discrimination and a host of other things.
Quote Libel and Slander If the publication is in a permanent form (for example in a book, magazine or film), then the defamation is libel. It is slander if the publication is in a transient form (speech). Signs, gestures, photographs, pictures, statues, cartoons etc. can also give rise to a claim for defamation, but the most obvious types of defamatory statements are written or spoken words. The principal practical difference between claims for libel and claims for slander is what a claimant must prove to succeed in his or her claim. In libel claims, the claimant does not have to prove that he or she has suffered loss or damage as a result of the publication. In contrast, in claims for slander, the claimant must prove actual damage. There are however several exceptions to the rule that actual damage must be proved in claims for slander. For example, if the spoken words accuse the claimant of committing a crime; of having a contagious disease; of being unfit for his or her office, business or profession; or if the communication is an attack of the credit of trades people; or an accusation of being unchaste or adulterous against a woman or girl. In these cases damage is presumed and need not be proved. Meaning of Defamation There is no single comprehensive definition of what is defamatory. Various suggestions have been made before the courts, including any material which: *Is to a person’s discredit. *Tends to lower him or her in the estimation of others. *Causes him or her to be shunned or avoided. *Causes him or her to be exposed to hatred, ridicule or contempt. all of the four meanings of defamation above apply to me here, furthermore: Quote Under Article 10(2) of the Convention, the protection of the reputation of others is a legitimate ground for restricting the right to freedom of expression. Libel and slander are legal claims that protect an individual’s reputation against defamation. An individual is defamed when a person publishes to a third party words or matter containing an untrue imputation against his or her reputation. regarding my momentary acts of written abuse to Vod (which i have since removed): Quote A statement that amounts to an insult or is mere vulgar abuse is not defamatory. This is because the words do not convey a defamatory meaning to those who heard them (simple abuse is unlikely to cause real damage to a reputation). furthermore by some of his accusations in the 3 threads in the original post above i may have grounds for both true and false innuendo against him: Quote False Innuendo: An alternative meaning which the ordinary, reasonable person who can read between the lines would infer from the words is known as the ‘false innuendo’ meaning. True Innuendo: True innuendo arises when words that appear to be innocent to some people appear as defamatory to others because they possess special knowledge or extra information (for example, reading about someone getting married wouldn’t seem damaging to their reputation - unless you knew that they were already married!). i also have grounds to for him for publication, also publication covers the forum operators due to connection by allowing this to happen: Quote Publication The words complained of must have been published by the person sued to a third party. Publication includes any means of communication even if only to one other person. Due to the breadth of the term publication, many individuals with only a slight connection to the work can find themselves ensnared in defamation proceedings. furthermore with regards to the forum operators not handling this: Quote The High Court has held for the purposes of the Defamation Act 1996 that an Internet Service Provider (ISP) which transmits a posting from its news server to subscribers who want to use it, is not the publisher of the posting, although at common law it would be considered to be. However, the court held that because the ISP had not removed the offending material as soon as it was notified of its existence, it had not acted reasonably and the defence under the Defamation Act 1996 was not available. this thread is my notification of this defamatory comment from Vod so from here forth the forum operators are also held rpartly responsible if nothing is done now. mods/admin/vod himself need to sort this out NOW as i am not playing around here. all i want is to be left alone and allowed use the forum without being dafamed/slandered and to be able to gain or lose trust through any transactions i partake in on the forum which is completely fair.. if i scam someone then by all means shout it from the rooftops but as i have not and as the only rep i have had thus far is positive there are no grounds for his accusations against me. EDIT: furthermore, i have saved a copy of all of Vods comments to me in threads as well as the negative rep. i have also saved a copy of this thread should forum operators decide to magicaly make it disappear. THE ONLY WAY OUT IS TO REMOVE VODS DEFAMATORY MISINFORMATION AND ENSURE IT DOES NOT HAPPEN AGAIN. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 10:32:39 AM Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 11:14:20 AM and to forum admin/owners/forum members (Vod) not in the UK.
Quote The Communications Decency Act Of 1996 The Communications Decency Act of 1996 (CDA) was actually established to try and deal with the publication of pornography and other adult content freely and widely available on the Internet. However, it was also created in a bid to combat any indecent and defamatory content found on websites and other online publications. Section 230 of the CDA is the section that is perhaps most relevant to online defamation. It attempts to deal with the question of an ISP's liability to content that is stored on their servers. Although it does not specifically outline all instances, it does contend that an ISP is not responsible for the information published by their users unless and until they are informed of any infringement; at this point, the ISP should act to remove the content or face legal action themselves. The Communications Decency Act of 1996 can be viewed in full at the FCC website - http://www.fcc.gov/Reports/tcom1996.txt there it is in black and white in US law as well. ignoring this thread will not save you, you must act now and rectify this as i already have proof of forum admin/owners/mods being made aware of the defamatory actions from user Vod. i have now PMed this to theymos as moderators have taken no action. should my account be mysteriously banned i will look into legal action regarding that as well because the chain of events would then be: defamatory comments from other user, moderators/admin made aware, nothing done, i am banned as an attempt at an easy out which is all wrong. i dont want to make life difficult for people here i just want what is fair and to be left to use the forum like any other member without having false accusations and defamatory comments directed at me. i dont mind people stating i may be a scammer in threads purely because i am a newbie, i think that is perfectly fair given the amount of scammers and the fact that i have next to no positive feedback yet. where i draw the line is when someone follows me into other threads making defamatory comments and accusations as well as leaving me bad rep with no factual evidence which then harms my reputation and prevents me from being able to trade with other members. i am saving revised/duplicate copies of this thread as and when i make additional replies/comments. i am also now saving all PM's made to forum moderators and administrators to further prove my effort to make contact and have the situation rectified prior to seeking legal advice if necessary. you guys need to fix this ASAP. i dont know how many of his accusations against other newbies are true or not but im sure if any of them are still using the forum they will chime in when made aware of this thread and my potential legal action so you may have a snowball on your hands if you dont sort it out and put a muzzle on Vod. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: hilariousandco on February 05, 2014, 11:42:02 AM I'd just try work it out with Vod. I sympathise with you if your intentions were fair, but unfortunately with the way PP works it makes most newbs immediately look like scammers or at the very least it arouses suspicion. Maybe if you stick around long enough and wait until the timelimit for a PP chargeback has expired Vod might then remove his rating.
Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 12:21:17 PM at first i was looking to buy BTC and pay via PP but no luck as its an easy scam so no one will accept it, least of all from a newbie. i then set about ooking for a loan instead as i only need/needed BTC to cover me until my virwox account reaches the next user level and my deposit limit goes up, which, i think from now is like 1-2 days away.. i need to check that actually. so was basically looking for a loan after failing to find someone to sell me BTC to cover me until my virwox limit is lifted which should in turn cover me until i get the activation code my bank sent out via post so i can activate my mobile phone with my online banking so i can add payees and but BTC easily/with no hassle from any of the larger businesses/trustworthy website that sell BTC. at this point im so close to my virwox account limit lifting i dont even care about buying BTC or getting loan anymore as i have missed the initial price crash on roll out of new TOS at cex.io and prices have been since so i think they should still be sufficiently low in a day or twos time when i can use virwox again.
and i cant contact him directly because he blocked me from PMing him so i have had to air the dirty laundry in public. following the public airing (here) mods inform me they supposedly have no control over the trust system, which, if true leave them and the site operators vulnerable to legal action due to them not taking action to rectify the situation once notified. i honestly dont want to go on a whole legal crusade here but i have a severe will to fight things purely for the sake of the principle alone so as such until i am back in fair standings i will be completely willing to take legal actions against Vod and the site operators for allowing this to happen and then doing nothing about it. if they cant actually remove the rep themselves they can certainly threaten to ban him if he does not remove it himself. im sure thats a much easier option than having to potentially face legal action. its also a massive design flaw in the trust system and forum if mods cant edit/amend trust feedback in instances like this. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: KWH on February 05, 2014, 12:38:44 PM Stop your crying already, it's wearing thin. You left far worse about him as well as the nasty posts you left. Go ahead, sue, you will be prosecuted as well. Thin skinned internet crybaby. ::)
Anyone doing business with you gets what they deserve. You are definitely on my never trade with list. http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h428/keithh409/crying_kid_zpseef989de.jpg (http://s1109.photobucket.com/user/keithh409/media/crying_kid_zpseef989de.jpg.html) Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 12:50:16 PM i cant be prosecuted for name calling..
im not crying, im simply requesting that unfair defamatory feedback that will harm my potential to trade here be removed as i am willing to take it further if necessary. and like i said i will cease and decist once my rep is back in its previous standings so if its wearing you thin then i suggest convincing Vod to remove his accusation from my trust profile or simply dont read this thread or any posts relating to Vod being an ass. i dont really care if you want to trade with me or not.. its your loss. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: Kuttingcorners on February 05, 2014, 12:52:32 PM watch out kWh or he will sue you as well . Judging from his airtight legal case vod is really fucked!!!
Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: KWH on February 05, 2014, 12:53:27 PM i cant be prosecuted for name calling.. im not crying, im simply requesting that unfair defamatory feedback that will harm my potential to trade here be removed as i am willing to take it further if necessary. i dont really care if you want to trade with me or not.. its your loss. Oh? Look under hate crimes or are you selectively choosing what laws will work for you? My loss?? LOL Sure it is, sure it is. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 12:59:11 PM i said nothing about airtight, however, under UK and US law and probably most other countries as well you can be prosecuted for defamation (lidel particularly online). my grounds are as mentioned here plus that my username is the same on many other sites/forums so anyone searching my name will then find bad information about me when previously there was none which could have knock on impacts on me and my business elsewhere. and BTW my ex gf of 5 years had a law degree so i have some idea of what im talking about regarding UK law at the very least nevermind already having a solicitor and barrister representing myself and my current gf against the western health and social care trust so i can easily get advice from them as well.
@KWH, fair enough but where is the evidence of any name calling? i have every interaction with Vod saved so if he removes or edits anything to try and cover his ass i have the originals. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: KWH on February 05, 2014, 01:05:17 PM i said nothing about airtight, however, under UK and US law and probably most other countries as well you can be prosecuted for defamation (lidel particularly online). my grounds are as mentioned here plus that my username is the same on many other sites/forums so anyone searching my name will then find bad information about me when previously there was none which could have knock on impacts on me and my business elsewhere. and BTW my ex gf of 5 years had a law degree so i have some idea of what im talking about regarding UK law at the very least nevermind already having a solicitor and barrister representing myself and my current gf against the western health and social care trust so i can easily get advice from them as well. @KWH, fair enough but where is the evidence of any name calling? i have every interaction with Vod saved so if he removes or edits anything to try and cover his ass i have the originals. Selective memory? That'll work out well in court. You aren't the only one that saves things, best you keep that in mind. Erase all you want but there are still records available. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 01:19:00 PM yes i know that it can be dredged up from forum server/backups or whatever but all comments were directly because of his actions. also claiming someone is basically a thief is a bit worse than a few fat jokes..
im not wanting to argue with you or other members as that would only serve to further damage a reputation i was previously trying to build. put yourself in my shoes.. your new here and someone decides to say you will scam people with no factual evidence, not even anything suggesting you might scam someone.. they just blatantly say you are going to scam people and you are a scammer. would you sit there and take it? i had thought about simply not using this account and making a new one to start from scratch but then if anyone found out then i would automatically be labelled a scammer so i must either: A - get the problem rectified B - resign myself to probably never being able to trade here C - leave and find another similar forum though his rep could follow me unless i use a different name i dont see why i should have to go running away with my tail between my legs when i have done nothing wrong apart from some name calling which i openly admitted was stupid of me after the fact. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: KWH on February 05, 2014, 01:39:23 PM yes i know that it can be dredged up from forum server/backups or whatever but all comments were directly because of his actions. also claiming someone is basically a thief is a bit worse than a few fat jokes.. im not wanting to argue with you or other members as that would only serve to further damage a reputation i was previously trying to build. put yourself in my shoes.. your new here and someone decides to say you will scam people with no factual evidence, not even anything suggesting you might scam someone.. they just blatantly say you are going to scam people and you are a scammer. would you sit there and take it? i had thought about simply not using this account and making a new one to start from scratch but then if anyone found out then i would automatically be labelled a scammer so i must either: A - get the problem rectified B - resign myself to probably never being able to trade here C - leave and find another similar forum though his rep could follow me unless i use a different name i dont see why i should have to go running away with my tail between my legs when i have done nothing wrong apart from some name calling which i openly admitted was stupid of me after the fact. Please sue him, I want to see this outcome. You trolling other threads calling vod a douche isn't helping your "case" one bit. It appears you are the one instigating now. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 01:47:04 PM hardly.. he is a douche for what he has done.
Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: Sonny on February 05, 2014, 01:58:28 PM Why don't you just register a new account? ???
Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: yatsey87 on February 05, 2014, 02:30:18 PM Why don't you just register a new account? ??? This will probably be your best bet as your account isn't even a week old, but hopefully you can get things sorted with vod. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: Tomatocage on February 05, 2014, 03:06:12 PM pirateat40 stole over $50 MILLION (US dollars) worth of Bitcoins. We know his name, SSN, address, everything... and only two things happened to him, and one is jack. What makes you think that you'll have any luck bringing Vod to "justice" over a cautionary rep rating on a free forum account you created with 2 mouse clicks?
Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 03:45:51 PM i never said i would have any luck, however, where in the TOS upon registration did it say that all new members are guilty and to be ridiculed and labelled scammers until proven innocent? surely you wait until someone has actually done something wrong before branding them a thief?
and no, one single bad rep isnt the end of the world to him but for a newbie that basically means not a single person will trade with you and even then if you do get some people to trade with you it will take months/years to become borderline trustworthy in peoples eyes and even after that there will still be a lovely little negative there claiming your a scammer. im not even looking to buy or get a loan of BTC anymore because its been a couple days already and my virwox account will have its limits lifted by the weekend so i can just wait.. my reason for wanting to either buy or get a loan of BTC was so i could carry on buying GHS on cex.io until my virwox limit was lifted as i was using virwox as a crutch to get me by until i have my bank account set up so i can buy from a market such as bittylicious and in just about every thread or reply of mine regarding potentially buying BTC or getting a loan of BTC i have stated this. regarding loans i have offered/been willing to give collateral of some form as well, hardly tactics of a scammer.. and big whoop someone stole 50 million.. if the people lending/selling to him werent complete idiots that wouldnt have happened. im a newbie but do you see me getting scammed? no because im not stupid and i can see how many other newbies are either being scammed or are scamming people themselves. by all means label scammers as scammers, ill even help but you cant say someone is a scammer because they havent scammed anyone but you think they are going to. thats like putting someone in jail because they might go out and murder someone next week.. you cant do that shit.. why i dont register a new account is because: A - this is a username i use elsewhere so negative rep here may have knock on effects elsewhere when people google me if this is not rectified B - if i did create another account that would make me look like a scammer if anyone found out Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please Post by: joschua011 on February 05, 2014, 04:02:08 PM Quote Under Article 10(2) of the Convention, the protection of the reputation of others is a legitimate ground for restricting the right to freedom of expression. Libel and slander are legal claims that protect an individual’s reputation against defamation. An individual is defamed when a person publishes to a third party words or matter containing an untrue imputation against his or her reputation. Does that even count on forums like this? no one really knows who you are. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 04:14:38 PM it probably wouldnt if you had an obscure usename however mine are my initials and are used on various other sites and forums either exactly as it is here or with a car model suffix after them so negative comments and such here can potentially follow me around the net. this is also another reason why i wouldnt be scamming people..
anyway this whole thing was about paypal and paypal is shit for BTC related purchases as no one will trust it. i was only looking originally to hopefully buy a little BTC but as anyone whos been here more than like a week knows, no one in their right mind is going to deal with paypal. initially i did not know the paypal scamming was as bad as it seems to be judging by what people have been saying about it. once i realised i havent a hope in hell of buying BTC that way i then looked for a loan to do me until my virwox limit was lifted (approx 2 days time from now) as i have been using virwox to buy BTC for a week while i await a pin code from my bank to allow me to activate my phone as an authentication method for adding payees to my online banking so i can buy BTC from markets like bittylicious which probably would also get me more BTC for my money as virwox charge lots of fees on transactions as does paypal so say 50gbp going into virwox from paypal would come out in BTC equivalent of maybe 46-48gbp whereas if i buy on a market its safe and there are no middle men like paypal and virwox to tap you for fees on all the transactions between putting paypal money in and getting BTC out the other end. i also just learned what escrow is and how it works, seems like a worthwhile thing to get onboard with as if a trusted middle man is holding both parties stuff then neither party can scam the other which would make life soooo much easier. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: joschua011 on February 05, 2014, 04:23:09 PM it probably wouldnt if you had an obscure usename however mine are my initials and are used on various other sites and forums either exactly as it is here or with a car model suffix after them so negative comments and such here can potentially follow me around the net. this is also another reason why i wouldnt be scamming people.. but you saying that these are your initials does not proof that these are really your initials, maybe you just want to blame something on someone with these initials. everyone could have registered with that nickname. proof that you are you. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 04:29:36 PM why do i need to prove that i am me? i have done nothing wrong.. on the loan threads where i asked about a loan i offered to provide screenshots or anything the lender wanted to see, again hardly characteristics of a scammer. if i were trying to scam id have some dodgy photoshopped screenshot of like 1 thing and only mention providing a screenshot of whatever that was.. by saying i can provide whatever they want it means they can choose and i dont know what they will choose so if i was a scammer i would have to either be super quick or id have had to steal multiple accounts from a single person all across the net.
Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: SaltySpitoon on February 05, 2014, 05:19:30 PM Well first, the trust system is unmoderated. The Admins wont help you, they wont even remove negative feedback from themselves. Second, Slander/Defamation is an incredibly tough subject to sue over. I dont think there is a possible situation where the owners of a forum could get sued over a comment one of its users makes. There are a lot of "controversial" forums that have very unpopular opinions, and they are protected by freedom of speech. There was a site I remember playing around on where their goal was to get sued by PEZ, so they had their members make offensive videos. The winner was a video submission about how Hitler invented PEZ and they were originally colorful cyanide tablets used as extermination tools. The site got a letter by PEZ asking them to take it down, of which they didn't and that was the end of that.
Also, think about what would happen when a similar situation happens on Ebay. Ebay is actually a financial institution and they have no liability over what people leave for feedback. They just ban your account if you cause issues to them. Technically, if there was any real liability in having your account open here, the admins would just ban you and the entire thing would be over. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: hilariousandco on February 05, 2014, 05:37:03 PM Well first, the trust system is unmoderated. The Admins wont help you, they wont even remove negative feedback from themselves. Second, Slander/Defamation is an incredibly tough subject to sue over. I dont think there is a possible situation where the owners of a forum could get sued over a comment one of its users makes. There are a lot of "controversial" forums that have very unpopular opinions, and they are protected by freedom of speech. There was a site I remember playing around on where their goal was to get sued by PEZ, so they had their members make offensive videos. The winner was a video submission about how Hitler invented PEZ and they were originally colorful cyanide tablets used as extermination tools. The site got a letter by PEZ asking them to take it down, of which they didn't and that was the end of that. That is hilarious. The internet is a tricky ground when it comes to libel laws. There must be a way a website or forum could get sued from refusing to remove libellous or slanderous content though? I know forum owners are not responsible for the content of their users, but maybe repeated refusal to remove something could cause them trouble. Usually when companies or individuals send out legal threats or cease and desists orders though it's just hot air attempting to scare you into submission, but surely if somebodies reputation had been severely damaged by comments there could be a legal case in that? Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 05:41:15 PM but banning the victim is not right.. does no one have a conscience anymore or what?
defamation can be a grey area, however, libel is another matter and covers written statements which can be viewed by 3rd parties that affect you. why have a trust system if the whole system is completely fucked? @hilariousandco, that is what im getting at, i run a small business and my username is known elsewhere. this accusation can be potentially damaging to me outside of these forums. this is why i am considering legal action. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 05:48:01 PM Quote Defamation and the internet Given its background as a forum for free speech and the dissemination of ideas it is not surprising that, now e-mail is in the commercial mainstream, its transfer to that forum has produced certain problems. The problem centres on the fact that when sending Emails, many users feel free to express opinions they would not commit to paper when writing a business letter or talking to a group of colleagues. As a result of this, users often make imprudent statements. The problem with the net is that once the button is pressed to send a message, or the information or view in question is uploaded onto a website, it is “published.” In defamation it is at this stage that an offence occurs. The accepted legal definition of defamation is “the publication of a statement which tends to lower a person in the estimation of right-thinking members of society generally.” The “statement” can be words, visual images or some other method of signifying meaning. Defamation takes two forms, libel and slander. Libel involves (amongst other things) writing or printing a defamatory statement. Slander is speech or gestures of a defamatory nature. A person who is defamed may feel understandably aggrieved and may decide to take action to prevent circulation of the statement. Normally, the person would approach the publisher or the author. The problem with the WWW is that the identity of this entity is often far from obvious. So who does the aggrieved person approach, and ultimately sue particularly if the person who made the statement is untraceable or financially, not worth suing? In a number of notable recent cases, ISP’s have been sued for defamatory content on the basis that they as hosts of, or are the “publishers” of the defamation. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: SaltySpitoon on February 05, 2014, 06:15:48 PM but banning the victim is not right.. does no one have a conscience anymore or what? defamation can be a grey area, however, libel is another matter and covers written statements which can be viewed by 3rd parties that affect you. why have a trust system if the whole system is completely fucked? @hilariousandco, that is what im getting at, i run a small business and my username is known elsewhere. this accusation can be potentially damaging to me outside of these forums. this is why i am considering legal action. Its a feedback system, people are free to post whatever they want on it. If I give you negative trust because you are an 18 foot dinosaur that stole brownies from an old woman, I'm allowed to do that, however that would hurt my own credibility which is the deterrent. If Vod gives untrue or invalid feedback, people will stop trusting his feedback, and it will have no effect on you anyway. If his claims are valid, then people will trust his feedback. I can 100% guarentee you, we hear people wanting us to remove stuff left and right for libel. If someone posts something mean words about you on the internet, nothing is going to happen (barring extreme circumstances like death/bomb threats). If I make a blog, and say that Apple is a fascist organization who's products will electrocute you and kill you, nothing will happen. Freedom of Speech + Internet Opinions make the individual essentially untouchable. Libel has to be the 100% known truth misrepresented. If Vod thinks you are an alien and you are intent on taking over the world, as long as he has reason to believe you are, its not libel, its an opinion. Journalists and Organizations are held to a slightly different standard, but that has to do with product competition and responsible jouralism agreements. Slander/Defamation/Libel etc are incredibly hard to claim for individuals. Perhaps the only time I've ever heard of libel charges standing, is when it was between two competing businesses. If you smear another's product for self gain, Slander/Defamation/Libel claims get a bit of legitimacy. Like I said, check the feedback of the admins and moderators here. If we removed any feedback at all, I'd assume it would be against ourselves. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: Kenshin on February 05, 2014, 06:23:33 PM This forum is in Panama. US and UK laws doesn't apply!!
It is Republic of Panama, not the Panama in USA!! This is located in Central America not North America!! Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 06:25:00 PM so basically im stuck with it purely because this guys a douchebag and loves to rip on newbies unless i decide to try my luck the legal route and potentially waste money and get nowhere?
one thing that is in my favour is he mentions paypal and i do not intend on using paypal (not that anyone would accept it anyway). maybe instead of chasing it up legally and potentially hitting a wall i would probably be better to simply pay people a small amount of BTC to put a nice message pertaining to him and his attitude towards all new members in their signatures and just keep doing things like that until i wear him down and he removes it. honestly, i will not stop until he removes it. if i were going to give up on it id have done so by now.. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: SaltySpitoon on February 05, 2014, 06:29:19 PM This forum is in Panama. US and UK laws doesn't apply!! It is Republic of Panama, not the Panama in USA!! This is located in Central America not North America!! No its not, what are you talking about? so basically im stuck with it purely because this guys a douchebag and loves to rip on newbies unless i decide to try my luck the legal route and potentially waste money and get nowhere? one thing that is in my favour is he mentions paypal and i do not intend on using paypal (not that anyone would accept it anyway). maybe instead of chasing it up legally and potentially hitting a wall i would probably be better to simply pay people a small amount of BTC to put a nice message pertaining to him and his attitude towards all new members in their signatures and just keep doing things like that until i wear him down and he removes it. honestly, i will not stop until he removes it. if i were going to give up on it id have done so by now.. I think your best bet, is to just roll with the punches, and prove that you are an honest trader. Statistically speaking, the majority of new users are indeed scammers. People make accounts and go straight to the lending/market section either attempting to scam, or just not knowing the history, and are almost immediately labeled scammers by one person or another. The only thing you can do is just prove that you aren't a scammer yourself by brushing it off and sticking with your account. Vod may remove his feedback in time. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: Kenshin on February 05, 2014, 06:30:26 PM so basically im stuck with it purely because this guys a douchebag and loves to rip on newbies unless i decide to try my luck the legal route and potentially waste money and get nowhere? one thing that is in my favour is he mentions paypal and i do not intend on using paypal (not that anyone would accept it anyway). maybe instead of chasing it up legally and potentially hitting a wall i would probably be better to simply pay people a small amount of BTC to put a nice message pertaining to him and his attitude towards all new members in their signatures and just keep doing things like that until i wear him down and he removes it. honestly, i will not stop until he removes it. if i were going to give up on it id have done so by now.. Am I blind? I can't see any trust rating on your profile. Has it already been removed? Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: Kenshin on February 05, 2014, 06:31:59 PM This forum is in Panama. US and UK laws doesn't apply!! It is Republic of Panama, not the Panama in USA!! This is located in Central America not North America!! No its not, what are you talking about? All yes we are in Panama, Code: Domain Name:BITCOINTALK.ORG Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: SaltySpitoon on February 05, 2014, 06:33:53 PM This forum is in Panama. US and UK laws doesn't apply!! It is Republic of Panama, not the Panama in USA!! This is located in Central America not North America!! No its not, what are you talking about? All yes we are in Panama, Code: Domain Name:BITCOINTALK.ORG Bitcointalk is hosted in either the U.S or UK, where the domain was registered doesn't matter. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: hilariousandco on February 05, 2014, 06:36:28 PM so basically im stuck with it purely because this guys a douchebag and loves to rip on newbies unless i decide to try my luck the legal route and potentially waste money and get nowhere? one thing that is in my favour is he mentions paypal and i do not intend on using paypal (not that anyone would accept it anyway). maybe instead of chasing it up legally and potentially hitting a wall i would probably be better to simply pay people a small amount of BTC to put a nice message pertaining to him and his attitude towards all new members in their signatures and just keep doing things like that until i wear him down and he removes it. honestly, i will not stop until he removes it. if i were going to give up on it id have done so by now.. Am I blind? I can't see any trust rating on your profile. Has it already been removed? It's still there. Trust ratings don't show up publicly on this subforum, but if you click on the users profile it's there, unless you don't trust Vod then I don't think it will show. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: RodeoX on February 05, 2014, 06:39:43 PM For what it's worth. Many of us pay no attention to the trust system anyway. There are a million unavoidable ways to game that system, so it has to be taken with a grain of salt.
Your case is going to cost tens of thousands of pounds and is very unlikely to produce anything but lawyer bills. And even if you win. What have you really accomplished? Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: Kenshin on February 05, 2014, 06:40:24 PM so basically im stuck with it purely because this guys a douchebag and loves to rip on newbies unless i decide to try my luck the legal route and potentially waste money and get nowhere? one thing that is in my favour is he mentions paypal and i do not intend on using paypal (not that anyone would accept it anyway). maybe instead of chasing it up legally and potentially hitting a wall i would probably be better to simply pay people a small amount of BTC to put a nice message pertaining to him and his attitude towards all new members in their signatures and just keep doing things like that until i wear him down and he removes it. honestly, i will not stop until he removes it. if i were going to give up on it id have done so by now.. Am I blind? I can't see any trust rating on your profile. Has it already been removed? It's still there. Trust ratings don't show up publicly on this subforum, but if you click on the users profile it's there, unless you don't trust Vod then I don't think it will show. Oh yes, I see it now. If I am him. I will just create a new username, or buy one. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 06:45:11 PM but this is the username i use on many forums, plus creating another username would look more suspicious. also whats to say he wont do the same thing to that account as well?
rather than blow more money on legal stuff i think i have come up with a better and even more annoying way to wear him down.. ill do what the casino/signature buyer dudes do and pay for people to give me their signature space. i will stop doing it when he either removes his bad rep or i feel it has gone on long enough to sufficiently damage his reputation as he has done to mine. working on the thread right now in another tab.. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: Kenshin on February 05, 2014, 06:46:46 PM but this is the username i use on many forums, plus creating another username would look more suspicious. also whats to say he wont do the same thing to that account as well? rather than blow more money on legal stuff i think i have come up with a better and even more annoying way to wear him down.. ill do what the casino/signature buyer dudes do and pay for people to give me their signature space. i will stop doing it when he either removes his bad rep or i feel it has gone on long enough to sufficiently damage his reputation as he has done to mine. working on the thread right now in another tab.. Why will he know that new username is you? Unless you start a fight with him again, and then he will know. I like your idea. Freedom of speech mixed with capitalism. 8) Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: hilariousandco on February 05, 2014, 07:04:31 PM but this is the username i use on many forums, plus creating another username would look more suspicious. also whats to say he wont do the same thing to that account as well? rather than blow more money on legal stuff i think i have come up with a better and even more annoying way to wear him down.. ill do what the casino/signature buyer dudes do and pay for people to give me their signature space. i will stop doing it when he either removes his bad rep or i feel it has gone on long enough to sufficiently damage his reputation as he has done to mine. working on the thread right now in another tab.. I really don't think that's a good idea, and I'm sure it'll probably have a counter-productive effect. More people will probably just leave you negative feedback if you do that. This is really not the way to solve this. I understand it's a shit situation to be in but hopefully you can get this sorted another way. I think if Vod was reasonable he should give you a second chance, but you're really just gonna make this worse for yourself here and I very much doubt he will cave in to pressure this way. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 07:13:50 PM honestly.. i dont give a flying fuck anymore tbh. plus any trades i do on here will be in such a way that both parties are safe, maybe something like john k's escrow or something so it wont matter if i have a million negative rep.. plus if i get a rediculous amount of bad rep it will get to the stage where its blatantly obvious the rep is because of something else, hell i may even start asking everyone to negative rep me. im going to take this and run with it and have a little fun at his (and other members who behave similarly) expense.
i accidentally started the sig space thread already.. i meant to click preview and clicked post instead and cannot delete it so i had to quickly throw something up with a note saying its not done yet.. i think it could catch on because it pokes fun at these saddo's. check it out, i might make the N.L.A. title out of different shades of green like its camo lol maybe with a bit of luck the name i came up for him and the others that behave like him will stick and become the new term for members like him. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=450559.0 Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: Kenshin on February 05, 2014, 07:14:09 PM but this is the username i use on many forums, plus creating another username would look more suspicious. also whats to say he wont do the same thing to that account as well? rather than blow more money on legal stuff i think i have come up with a better and even more annoying way to wear him down.. ill do what the casino/signature buyer dudes do and pay for people to give me their signature space. i will stop doing it when he either removes his bad rep or i feel it has gone on long enough to sufficiently damage his reputation as he has done to mine. working on the thread right now in another tab.. I really don't think that's a good idea, and I'm sure it'll probably have a counter-productive effect. More people will probably just leave you negative feedback if you do that. This is really not the way to solve this. I understand it's a shit situation to be in but hopefully you can get this sorted another way. I think if Vod was reasonable he should give you a second chance, but you're really just gonna make this worse for yourself here and I very much doubt he will cave in to pressure this way. People might give you poor feedback if you don't pay them. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 07:17:17 PM ah but i will pay them.. why? because im honest and not a scammer. the price is left blank at present as like i said i accidentally posted it before i meant to and i havent worked out what price i can afford to pay and how many people i can pay it to, etc.
Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: hilariousandco on February 05, 2014, 07:19:09 PM honestly.. i dont give a flying fuck anymore tbh. plus any trades i do on here will be in such a way that both parties are safe, maybe something like john k's escrow or something so it wont matter if i have a million negative rep.. plus if i get a rediculous amount of bad rep it will get to the stage where its blatantly obvious the rep is because of something else, hell i may even start asking everyone to negative rep me. im going to take this and run with it and have a little fun at his (and other members who behave similarly) expense. i accidentally started the sig space thread already.. i meant to click preview and clicked post instead and cannot delete it so i had to quickly throw something up with a note saying its not done yet.. i think it could catch on because it pokes fun at these saddo's. check it out, i might make the N.L.A. title out of different shades of green like its camo lol maybe with a bit of luck the name i came up for him and the others that behave like him will stick and become the new term for members like him. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=450559.0 Well if you stick around and do deals successfully I'm sure he will remove the feedback, but probably not if you act like this. Just edit or lock/delete the thread. Oh, and don't use John K as an escrow as he's currently MIA. haha. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: Kenshin on February 05, 2014, 07:26:13 PM ah but i will pay them.. why? because im honest and not a scammer. the price is left blank at present as like i said i accidentally posted it before i meant to and i havent worked out what price i can afford to pay and how many people i can pay it to, etc. That is exactly my point. You will not get any bad feedback, actually you might get good feedback for paying so many people. :) You can also give a condition that they must leave you feedback after you pay them. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 07:43:17 PM yea i just thought of of something along those lines (i have edited it in but not set a price yet).
i may as well pay for feedback and have as much fun with this whole thing as i can. this should also make me better known on the forums and potentially get more people to get to know me and perhaps further down the line begin to trust me.. though i cant see me partaking in any trades where it would boil down to trust alone, id probably use an escrow service or something else that is safe. keep getting a 502 bad gateway at the minute so its taking aaages to get anything done :( Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 05, 2014, 09:49:26 PM lmao the Noob Liberation Army is officially in action.. watch out evil Infamous Trust Nazi's, were coming for you!
just need to work out how much BTC i can afford to pay people for sig space/feedback and comments and were rockin, sometimes i amaze even myself ;D just missing the ability to have an avatar on my account or id have one made up by now lol Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: hilariousandco on February 05, 2014, 09:55:45 PM lmao the Noob Liberation Army is officially in action.. watch out evil Infamous Trust Nazi's, were coming for you! just need to work out how much BTC i can afford to pay people for sig space/feedback and comments and were rockin, sometimes i amaze even myself ;D just missing the ability to have an avatar on my account or id have one made up by now lol I'm sure U1TRA_L0RD (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=168841) will take you up on your offer. Don't forget to put the money you'll pay out in escrow though, because people will think you're trying to scam them ;). There have been quite a few scammers not paying out on sig deals. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 06, 2014, 05:52:55 PM seriously? escrow for peanuts? i dont think so.. besides its not like if i were to scam people they would be losing anything apart from sig space for a week/month or whatever, plus if they run the sig line for whatever the duration and i pay them then i may get genuine good feedback as well. i dont want to simply buy good feedback to appear trustworthy, i want to prove i am trustworthy. this is why any positive feedbacks i pay for will have something relating to the Noob Liberation Army so that people can clearly see when they look at my trust feedback that those bought positives are just for fun/not relating to transactions. sure i could ask people to leave me good feedback about imaginary transactions and pay them for that but thats not how i roll.. i am legit and i want to earn my feedback the same way.
my reasoning for buying feedback with NLA comments, besides what i mentioned already, is also to knock out Vods stupid negative. or i could offer to pay people to give him negative rep? that could be interesting.. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: KWH on February 06, 2014, 07:07:00 PM seriously? escrow for peanuts? i dont think so.. besides its not like if i were to scam people they would be losing anything apart from sig space for a week/month or whatever, plus if they run the sig line for whatever the duration and i pay them then i may get genuine good feedback as well. i dont want to simply buy good feedback to appear trustworthy, i want to prove i am trustworthy. this is why any positive feedbacks i pay for will have something relating to the Noob Liberation Army so that people can clearly see when they look at my trust feedback that those bought positives are just for fun/not relating to transactions. sure i could ask people to leave me good feedback about imaginary transactions and pay them for that but thats not how i roll.. i am legit and i want to earn my feedback the same way. my reasoning for buying feedback with NLA comments, besides what i mentioned already, is also to knock out Vods stupid negative. or i could offer to pay people to give him negative rep? that could be interesting.. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 06, 2014, 07:16:14 PM wow you figured out how to use the quote feature..
Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: KWH on February 06, 2014, 07:19:19 PM wow you figured out how to use the quote feature.. Quoting for the record on how you plan to purchase feedback. ::) Yep, very trustworthy. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 06, 2014, 08:12:05 PM yes, i plan to purchase feedback for fun and to make fun of people like you and Vod who have nothing better to do than to harass new members because you think every newbie is a scammer. also to get the point across to people that the feedback system here is completely fucked and not worth a damn.
also notice how i said all feedback i would buy will have NLA references so obviously it will be easy for even the most inbred dumbfuck to see that they are not genuine positives from transactions. the point of this is to counteract Vod (and now your) negative ratings seeing as i have done nothing wrong and have not scammed a single person yet you and Vod feel it appropriate to label me a scammer for things i have not even done? conspiracy theory much? fucking hell you people need to get out more.. not every person on the planet besides you and people you know are scammers/fraudsters/theives/murderers/etc, people need to give other people the benefit of the doubt and when it comes to doing transactions keep your ass covered regardless of if someone appears genuine or not. the only time i would do a transaction on trust alone is if i knew the person very well or had previous dealings with them and that is how everyone else should operate here. its not my fault people come on here and are stupid enough to let themselves be scammed and as a result of that mass paranoia is created that every newbie is a scammer.. well im a newbie and i havent scammd anyone.. i also havent been scammed by anyonee either simply because i dont blindly trust people, however, there is a HUGE difference between not blindly trusting people and being paranoid to the point you think everyone is a scammer like so many here seem to think. i couldnt care if i deal with a legit member or someone who may be a scammer because any dealings i do will be via a safe medium that im happy with, if im not happy with how the deal goes down i dont deal, end of.. if everyone used a bit of common sense all this mass scammer paranoia would be a non issue as people simply wouldnt allow themselves to be had by scammers.. honestly, i dont really care who trusts me and who does not, if i remain here long enough people will begin to trust me though i doubt i would trust anyone here myself bar a select few with traceable historic honest transactions and even then id be looking for a safe method of doing the transaction such as john's escrow. im actually trawling google at the mmoment looking for reputable escrow services that will handle small and medium sized transactions though im looking at that as im thinking of adding escrow as a payment method on my ebay listings since paypal seem to have a boner for fucking people over who buy/sell anything related to bitcoins so im thinking anything coin related i can list with escrow payment method and remove the paypal option so my long standing paypal account is not at risk of being frozen or deleted/banned due to my newfound interest in bitcoins. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: Vod on February 06, 2014, 10:05:31 PM Just make up more fake accounts and leave me negative feedback saying I stole coins from you. ::)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=239043 Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: BawsyBoss on February 06, 2014, 10:06:46 PM yes, i plan to purchase feedback for fun and to make fun of people like you and Vod who have nothing better to do than to harass new members because you think every newbie is a scammer. also to get the point across to people that the feedback system here is completely fucked and not worth a damn. Does that mean I need to neg-rep you?also notice how i said all feedback i would buy will have NLA references so obviously it will be easy for even the most inbred dumbfuck to see that they are not genuine positives from transactions. the point of this is to counteract Vod (and now your) negative ratings seeing as i have done nothing wrong and have not scammed a single person yet you and Vod feel it appropriate to label me a scammer for things i have not even done? conspiracy theory much? fucking hell you people need to get out more.. not every person on the planet besides you and people you know are scammers/fraudsters/theives/murderers/etc, people need to give other people the benefit of the doubt and when it comes to doing transactions keep your ass covered regardless of if someone appears genuine or not. the only time i would do a transaction on trust alone is if i knew the person very well or had previous dealings with them and that is how everyone else should operate here. its not my fault people come on here and are stupid enough to let themselves be scammed and as a result of that mass paranoia is created that every newbie is a scammer.. well im a newbie and i havent scammd anyone.. i also havent been scammed by anyonee either simply because i dont blindly trust people, however, there is a HUGE difference between not blindly trusting people and being paranoid to the point you think everyone is a scammer like so many here seem to think. i couldnt care if i deal with a legit member or someone who may be a scammer because any dealings i do will be via a safe medium that im happy with, if im not happy with how the deal goes down i dont deal, end of.. if everyone used a bit of common sense all this mass scammer paranoia would be a non issue as people simply wouldnt allow themselves to be had by scammers.. honestly, i dont really care who trusts me and who does not, if i remain here long enough people will begin to trust me though i doubt i would trust anyone here myself bar a select few with traceable historic honest transactions and even then id be looking for a safe method of doing the transaction such as john's escrow. im actually trawling google at the mmoment looking for reputable escrow services that will handle small and medium sized transactions though im looking at that as im thinking of adding escrow as a payment method on my ebay listings since paypal seem to have a boner for fucking people over who buy/sell anything related to bitcoins so im thinking anything coin related i can list with escrow payment method and remove the paypal option so my long standing paypal account is not at risk of being frozen or deleted/banned due to my newfound interest in bitcoins. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 06, 2014, 10:13:58 PM Just make up more fake accounts and leave me negative feedback saying I stole coins from you. ::) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=239043 nothing to do with me.. maybe someone else you have negged just to try and make yourself look better? looking through the untrusted feedback you seem to have a bad habit of neg repping newbies. also why do you lick your own boob? its way more fun licking womens boobs, you should try it sometime ;) @ bawsyboss, yea go ahead.. i think that will actually be the new game plan. forget positives, ill start paying for negatives. the principle of calling someone a scammer when they are not annoys me but as for the actual negative feedback i could care less as any transactions i do on here will be through a safe medium so it wont matter anyway. oh and FYI check my untrusted feedback, note the 2 users that positive repped me as i requested. now why dont you go and ask them if i paid them after they repped me? i think you may find i paid as promised, definately traits of a true scammer there lol Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: Vod on February 06, 2014, 10:25:06 PM Just make up more fake accounts and leave me negative feedback saying I stole coins from you. ::) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=239043 nothing to do with me.. maybe someone else you have negged just to try and make yourself look better? Of course it is you. It appeared in the exact same hour you threw your temper tantrum and left me a dozen negative feedbacks. The point is, you are not trustworthy. :( Enjoy your game. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 06, 2014, 10:28:46 PM no..
the point is you make false accusations on whether someone can or cannot be trusted. you have yet to provide any evidence of any scamming or anything untoward apart from some retaliation feedback which you greatly deserve. furthermore you will never be able to provide such proof because i am not, and never will be a scammer. regardless of what your personal views/opinions are and this will be proven in time. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: KWH on February 06, 2014, 11:51:57 PM no.. the point is you make false accusations on whether someone can or cannot be trusted. you have yet to provide any evidence of any scamming or anything untoward apart from some retaliation feedback which you greatly deserve. furthermore you will never be able to provide such proof because i am not, and never will be a scammer. regardless of what your personal views/opinions are and this will be proven in time. You brought this on yourself. By your very actions and posts along with buying feedback, you are untrustworthy and have been marked as such. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 07, 2014, 12:29:30 AM bullshit..
i joined the forum having done one transaction with a member and both parties getting what they intended to get with no scams or funny business. i then (stupidly) ask about potentially buying some BTC with the only form of payment i can muster at the moment because i knew cex.io GHS prices were going to crash so i was hoping id be able to get some BTC with my fiat currency before the crash so as to be ready to snap up GHS at stupidly low prices. failing any chance of buying BTC i then look for a loan as i only need it for a few days. meanwhile the accusations start and have continued since and up to this point. at this point i dont give a flying fuck because my virwox deposit limit has lifted this evening allowing me to buy 92gbp worth of BTC and pegging my level 1 daily deposit limit for the day which i have done and buying the GHS i had hoped to be able to buy a couple days ago at a rock bottom price. its back to business as usual now that i have finally got some BTC back into cex.io to trade and try to increase my BTC as well as being able to "park" my BTC as GHS overnight and until i return from work for mining shares while i cant be on trading. tomorrow once my daily cap resets ill be able to buy the remaining 42gbp's worth of BTC and throw that into GHS as well unless i end up buying something on ebay ftonight because its been burning a hole in my pocket for days lol so in a nutshell, established members try to turn their BTC into more BTC and its all cool, a newbie registers having had to stop doing the same and hoping for a means to bridge the gap until he can buy some more through the only system he can at the moment and he is the labelled a scammer? i dont give a shit about feedback now because as i said my virwox limit has lifted and i can buy some BTC that way which should tide me over until i can buy from a market with my bank account and avoid the rediculous virwox fees associated with depositing paypal into virwox and then converting GBP into linden dollars then ultimately into BTC. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 07, 2014, 12:42:51 AM and like i have said all along about pegging my level 0 account limit on virwox.. notice the dates i underlined in red.. the 2nd is when i maxed the level 0 account limit and today is when my account turned 10 days old and as a result my account level raised to level 1 which lifted my limit allowing me to deposit more and buy more. its the gap between the 2nd and the 6th today that i was hoping to avoid by either buying or getting a loan of BTC.
http://imageshack.com/a/img35/8571/imy5.jpg shall i take screenshots of the BTC from virwox being transferred into my cex.io account also? if i was going to make up some story about why i was needing to get some BTC in order to pull off a scam or scams would i not make up something more convincing than a long convoluted story about paypal, virwox and cex.io? i could have just said something like my computers PSU packed up from running a mining rig and i cant get to my wallet until i fix it, blah, blah, blah.. you know the saying truth is stranger than fiction.. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 07, 2014, 12:58:48 AM and to further back up everything i have said about why i was needing BTC heres the deposits into cex.io from virwox. note the correspponding dates. also notice the 0.12BTC voucher in the middle of the second screenshot, that was the 0.12 i bought off Foysal who can vouche that he still has the money i sent him for the BTC.
http://imageshack.com/a/img801/7471/iye7.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img819/6238/j0uw.jpg and last but not least to hammer the nail in and further confirm what i said about why i needed the BTC to tide me over until today when my virwox account leveled up and my limits increased. look at all the voucher codes i have generated (sold) for noobs wanting to get in on the mining/cex GHS game, also note the most two largest voucher withdrawals and the dates of them. this is when the party stopped due to hitting my virwox level 0 monthly limit which was what i was hoping to avoid as no BTC in = no vouchers out = no more fiat coming in and thus the rinse and repeat cycle is temporarily halted. once i hit the wall and sold that 8GHS you can clearly see that left me with hardly anything and at the rate it was flying out before that the remaining 1GHS odds could have gone in the next hour or day or it could have lasted till now (but it didnt as you see another withdrawal on the 5th). what you cant see is as i couldnt get more BTC i had to pull the bigger sales listings for 1, 2 and 5 GHS to prevent someone purchasing while i hadnt the GHS to give them as i prefer to operate in good standings and keep a clean conscience rather than make up excuses why i cant give someone something they bought when i am supposed to. id rather pull sales listings than have to stall someone for days while i scramble to try and get them what they now own and potentially risk my reputation. (mtgox anyone??) http://imageshack.com/a/img199/1936/sgim.jpg now put that in your pipe and smoke it.. yea i was definately being dishonest and trying to scam people ::) Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: whiskers75 on February 08, 2014, 07:06:09 AM Yes, you probably were. Screenshots prove NOTHING - you're probably familiar with the art of editing HTML :P
Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 09, 2014, 06:15:22 PM Yes, you probably were. Screenshots prove NOTHING - you're probably familiar with the art of editing HTML :P right ok.. so you would probably also believe its raining even when someone opens the blinds to show you the ground is dry, the sun is out and there isnt a cloud in the sky because maybe, just maybe, someone has come along while you werent looking and stuck a sunny day picture on your window.. lmao seriously, theres being smart/careful and then theres being over paranoid. anyway its not like i could give a flying fuck, i setup a new bank account on friday and have been able to start using it to buy BTC from bittylicious or anywhere else i deem safe-ish (definately not mtgox haha). btw i have since bought some more BTC from foysal via the "dont ever use THAT because everyone who uses it is a scammer" method of payment aka paypal. mind you i wont have to now that i can buy BTC via bank transfers. why dont you remove your tinfoil hat and ask him have i scammed him? i think you will find the answer is no. @gweedo, no sure i manufactured that screenshot just like the ones i posted above.. pmsl ::) here would you guys like to search my wallet address on blockchain? 16scXkohgaqg1AwnVp1hkZN98RKkGHvh6x im sure you can follow the most recent transactions back to bittylicious as well as follow any outgoing BTC payments to cex.io. or are you going to say i have somehow managed to hack into the blockchain and add fake stuff to that too? you people... seriously.. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please Post by: SaltySpitoon on February 09, 2014, 10:55:08 PM yes they are! its just theymos is the only one who does it. he adds and removes people from default trust all the time. Changing who is on the default trust list just puts people's feedback in different sections, from Untrusted to Trusted. What is actually said about a person isn't moderated. Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: dmcl on February 09, 2014, 11:17:10 PM well can i possibly get some moderation love then? cause i havent scammed a single person..
Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: desertfox470 on March 03, 2014, 07:31:36 PM I have now removed my feedback for him, since I have read recent reviews about him scaming. Thanks You
Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: Onews1990 on April 03, 2014, 02:17:05 AM I too have removed my feedback, his activity/posts are at least of suspicious person.
Title: Re: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) Post by: Vod on April 03, 2014, 02:55:19 AM This account stopped logging in months ago.
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