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Hello,

If you bought a B3 miner, you know what we are talking about.

The facts :

• BITMAIN and BYTOM made a partnership.
• BITMAIN made a premine with the new created BTM chain.
• BITMAIN released an ASIC in partnership with BYTOM.
• They communicated about 2 batches of 5 000 pieces each.
• When Mainnet launched, BITMAIN sold first batch.
• BEFORE the end of the first batch sending, BITMAIN sold the second batch (some of the first batch buyers received their ASIC after some second batch buyers.
• BITMAIN refund a very little amount of the first batch buyers, even if customers didn t asked anything (they knew something were not good).
• When the first B3 reached the network, we discovered that many more miners were here (about 10K when the first batch wasn t already completed).
• The GPUs can hash really more than the ASIC miners, a poor 5x 1050 MINING RIG can have more hashrate than our ASICS.

So that are the fact, knowing that we can tell that BITMAIN knew the situation, partialy refund, and sold their batch 2 really fast to avoid having a stock of impossible to sell miners.
They KNEW that GPUs miners were able to perf higher than our golden paid B3s.

BYTOM team, didn t made anything, they are happy of the situation, all the buyers loosed a ton of Money, but Bitmain won many millions US$, and BYTOM team have high hashrate on their chain, not carring about the poor customers.

We can act, we can take a lawyer and make a class action against BITMAIN and make the light about what happened.

First step : Make you know here, then we ll contact BITMAIN and BYTOM team.
If nothing happend, we can go to all BYTOM meeting giving informations to people and explain what happend.
Then next step if they don t do anything, we find a lawyer and make class action to get our money back.

Bitmain can give back premine to B3 customers, and Bytom team can make airdrop to B3 customers too, instead of giving BTM to useless twitter campains!

We created a DISCORD CHAN, Feel free to join us :
https://discord.gg/qcQXFcj


Thanks.

A class action lawsuit against a chinese company, good luck with that.

https://gettingthedealthrough.com/area/82/jurisdiction/27/class-actions-china/

You can try to contact the above company to have some information but be ready to cash out some money just for consulting and they might tell you that there is no point launching it. So not only you will have lost money with bitmain but also on lawyers fee.

its a hard load..... ;) ;) ;)

ya, you have no chance. just being honest
China wont prosecute their companies like that i find :(
plus, bitmain does this as a BUSINESS model, and i fear a lawyer would tell you:  "noone put a gun to your head and made you "scam" yourself"

*btw, im most countries its not a scam if you RECEIVED a product, or did they say it would be different then what you got? i dont think they did, i think everyone just doggypiled like they always do BMT machines, then threaten to sue after they realize their own greed screwed them, seen this 100x...

quite simple: dont support them, if you guys just stopped being so greedy and ordering anything they drop, this wouldnt be happening, no? :(

Sorry for your loss

exactly. well said. Stop supporting them. It is simple as that.

You, and every single Asic owner gave money and power to bitmain
Now all you guys have to face the consequences

Exactly. If you want for this not to happen again , don't buy their products and start supporting decentralisation by mining coins which are ASIC resistant like Monero V7. The developers of Monero immediately took action by forking to V7 when they saw all those Cryptonight ASIC miners around.

Doing a premier and then selling mining hardware for same altcoins is fraudulent. Bitmain should know better,the should worry about their reputation too.

ppl never learn tho , bitmain is lauging at yall loo

You are feeling buyers remorse.

Bitmain did nothing wrong.

They built hardware, they sold hardware.

You bought it.

They made no representations or guarantees, and if you look at their website it specifically says they are not to be held responsible to the coins ecosystem.

You are the fool that bought a miner that could only mine one random altcoin with no proven track record. Its your screw up, not theirs.

Guys,

Ok some of you says that we can t get back anything, so just don t subscribe.

But if you want to be part of the non happy customer who wants to claim a solution, to get our money back, you are welcome.

Again, they knew the bad situation, but instead of saying the truth to customers, they sold miners really fast before we discover the situation.

Personnaly i m gonna act, feel free to do it or not, but if you won t, don t come here saying you won t, it s useless, we just need to know who wanna complain with us.

Thanks.

whats interesting with the B3 however is the fact gpu mining is more powerful..this has never been the case with bitmains other asics..bitmains cost on the B3 very well may of been only $300-400 range..a gtx1070 can get close to the 1000h/s of the B3..i would feel ripped off also if i bought one..perhaps going direction of a lawsuit isnt what to do but if enough people complain to get bitmain to do a partial refund to all the people that bought one..

Exactly, if all customers complains together Bitmain ll listen to us, at least médias ll do it :)

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/101/771/1879f18e_e542_e1c6.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-26VMhVLuHc

Maybe if Bitmain was an American company then, yes, it would have a shot at a class action suit.

However things are different in China. The laws that apply in USA usually don't apply in China.

If you want a good example, look at all the cars that Chinese automakers copy like BMW or Bentley, they get sued and they lose in court because they say "They look nothing alike".

http://www.autospies.com/images/users/omarrana/bmw_chinese_ceo_suv_news_image_.jpg

Pardon my french, but anyone who bought one of these things is a fucking idiot.  A brand new mainnet without any other mining software.  You couldn't tell if what you were buying produced a good hashrate or not.  Admit it, you were greedy and while you could have made a lot of money, you rolled the dice and lost

It won't matter even if this company was American. You got what they advertised, they always have a disclaimer saying crypto market is very volatile and new technological advances can make the hardware obsolete, buy at your own risk.

Also a single 1070 makes more then this asic.

Uh not that I'm depending Shitmain but, while the current events suggest that this might be true, there isn't any strong evidence that supports this claim.

I'm sure you will waste your time on filing a case against a Chinese company where almost all knock-offs came from and can get away with "They aren't the same".
B3s however, was advertised as it is and you got the actual product, nothing seems to be wrong unless all of the evidences are strong.

I'll just leave it here  ;):

How ironic, now tell that to other GPU miners how ASIC's that made their ROI harder.

hahaha,fuck shitman

I think the deception is that Bitman's engineers knew that b3 is weak. If their price was 1070, I would not worry.
This is their main deception, that is, he knew that they are creating a weak device. Also on the site there is no information about which chips they made.
If it is confirmed that it is 28 nm, then this is an additional reason for the charge of deception.

If I leave the chip size out and sell it there is zero deception.

If I say chip is 16 and it is 28 I lied.

If they never spec a chip size it is perfectly legal.

My question is why does this asic suck

according wikipedia BM1680 was maid 28nm.
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/bitmain/sophon/bm1680 (https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/bitmain/sophon/bm1680)
B3 have 4 chips each hash boards,total 12 chips
about 2TFlops speeds of one chip,total 24TFlops. ;)

Today, bminer can make 1300H with 1080ti,its 11.3TFlops,so about 120H per 1TFlops.
If B3 can make same rate, it can make 2800H per units.
But i think it can not be,too weak for hash DDR4

B3 is a shit same de X3 and the Z9 go to !
ALL last BITMAIN ASIC is a shit!!

Everyone keeps giving these asshole's money than realize they got screwed or the hashrate of the coin is so high difficulty sky rocketed now can't roi but what happens they release a new miner for different algo and everyone again gives them their money than bitches I got screwed nobody screwed you but you deal with it

I won't be buying any more antminers or asics no matter how good they appear at time of sale after my batch 2 A3 and B3. Should've built a GPU rig in the first place damnit but now I know better. Anyone got a decent GPU rig they want to trade for an A3 and B3? lol

We start organisation, the target is to find all the B3 buyers.

We got an international discord chan, feel free to join :

https://discord.gg/qcQXFcj

I bought one of these and it was the biggest waste of money I have ever spent. It is so sad how these guys scammed us. :(

Let me get this right, The OP bought an asic from Bitmain and is now crying because he/she lost their rearend in the deal as far as mining payout.  Is that about it?

Bitmain warrantied the equipment.  They made no guarantees as to how much the ASIC would earn as far as the value of the coins it mined and how fast difficulty went up along with the amount of other asics on the network no matter who made them.

You played the game, you lost, move on.  Make better money decisions next time.

Serious ? And what we GPU miners should do when ASIC come over us ? I am mining Bytom now with my whole GPU farm , and it's feeling good that my 1070ti / 1080ti can do more then 1 ASIC !!!

Yey congrats to Shitmain... They managed to even turn miners against each other.


Just turn your whole GPU farm to mine bytom, just because you are angry at Bitmain... no matter that it is more profitable to mine Ether, not even considering the other altcoins out there.  ???

FUCK BITMAIN! >:(
FUCK BYTOM! >:(

Is there even an exchange I can use in the USA for mainnet bytom coins yet? I haven't been able to sell any of mine