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Title: And who is buying now?
Post by: zby on February 07, 2014, 08:07:33 AM
Hodlers hodl - they are irrelevant, but who sold at 900 and now is buying back? For me it looks like at least a temporary bottom.


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: chesthing on February 07, 2014, 08:11:40 AM
Me, if it hits $600. Hope it does soon so I can go to bed.


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: koryu on February 07, 2014, 08:15:59 AM
sold at 900$ did some daytrades at 800$ and now i am buying back in on the way down. :D

long term bullish so i expect it to go up again sooner or later


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: 1Pakis on February 07, 2014, 10:36:55 AM
Trading actually
Code:
7835875	BTCUSD	Exchange limit	-0.8051	-0.8051	$675.0000	$675.0000		about 2 hours ago	Executed @ 675.0(-0.81)
7833176 BTCUSD Exchange limit 0.735 0.735 $621.0000 $621.0000 about 2 hours ago Executed @ 621.0(0.73)
7812876 BTCUSD Exchange limit 0.7133 0.7133 $668.0000 $668.0000 about 2 hours ago Executed @ 668.0(0.53): was partially filled @ 668.0(0.18)


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: calian on February 07, 2014, 10:42:35 AM
Had done some spending. Today was a good time to replenish.  8)


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: TERA on February 07, 2014, 10:45:24 AM
I got burned bad by attempting to trade the downtrend in June. I swore I'd never attempt to daytrade during a downtrend like that again. I think I'll wait for a 4 hour macd cross or something.


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: Mythul on February 07, 2014, 10:46:26 AM
I got burned bad by attempting to trade the downtrend in June. I swore I'd never attempt to daytrade during a downtrend like that again. I think I'll wait for a 4 hour macd cross or something.

Same for me last december.


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: keatonatron on February 07, 2014, 10:48:06 AM
It'd be silly not to buy now. Nothing has happened that spells doom for bitcoin, why lose faith?


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: TERA on February 07, 2014, 10:49:37 AM
I got burned bad by attempting to trade the downtrend in June. I swore I'd never attempt to daytrade during a downtrend like that again. I think I'll wait for a 4 hour macd cross or something.

Same for me last december.
December was actually a good time to trade though. All the weekly and most of the daily technicals were still pointing skyward. That means there would still a massive amount of upward pressure to create huge rebounds after every drop and save your ass (or make huge profits). Now all of the technicals are pointing DOWN so there is no general upward force anymore - very bad for trading.


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: 1Pakis on February 07, 2014, 10:50:08 AM
The trades are in reverse. Top trade executed last.
I also did arbitrage trading between btc-e and bitfinex about 30$ profit for 1 BTC


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: Kramerc on February 07, 2014, 11:10:24 AM
I got burned bad by attempting to trade the downtrend in June. I swore I'd never attempt to daytrade during a downtrend like that again. I think I'll wait for a 4 hour macd cross or something.

Same for me last december.
December was actually a good time to trade though. All the weekly and most of the daily technicals were still pointing skyward. That means there would still a massive amount of upward pressure to create huge rebounds after every drop and save your ass (or make huge profits). Now all of the technicals are pointing DOWN so there is no general upward force anymore - very bad for trading.

I know that you only trade with a fraction of your BTC position, but assuming that you're not full fiat now, would you buy on the way down, or do you expect a medium time-frame macd crossover for an entry point?


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: Rampion on February 07, 2014, 11:14:11 AM
I am.


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: TERA on February 07, 2014, 11:15:49 AM
I got burned bad by attempting to trade the downtrend in June. I swore I'd never attempt to daytrade during a downtrend like that again. I think I'll wait for a 4 hour macd cross or something.

Same for me last december.
December was actually a good time to trade though. All the weekly and most of the daily technicals were still pointing skyward. That means there would still a massive amount of upward pressure to create huge rebounds after every drop and save your ass (or make huge profits). Now all of the technicals are pointing DOWN so there is no general upward force anymore - very bad for trading.

I know that you only trade with a fraction of your BTC position, but assuming that you're not full fiat now, would you buy on the way down, or do you expect a medium time-frame macd crossover for an entry point?
I don't know where you heard this about me. This is the strategy of many on this forum but I myself have been for the most part 75% fiat ever since $900. 25% I don't touch and keep in cold storage and on cryptsy to trade altcoins.  I have been rebuying to 40% on 1 hour crossovers and rebuying to 55% on 4 hour crossovers, and selling accordingly.

I have to admit today using a 1 hour crossover strategy has royally sucked because it looks like $80 of profit on stamp is already gone (a whopping 12% profit). It's so much I don't even feel comfortable making the trade anymore.


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: djarot on February 07, 2014, 11:20:59 AM
 i always waiting this moment, maybe tomorrow I'll start buying BTC

:)


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: TERA on February 07, 2014, 11:24:22 AM
I also do that cowboy style trading where I try to catch the very bottoms and buy and sell all the waves, fan out incremental orders, etc.  I did it an April and did it in November+December. But not now when all the longer technicals are upside down like this - then it becomes too risky, like I explained earlier.


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: Kramerc on February 07, 2014, 11:28:13 AM
I also do that cowboy style trading where I try to catch the very bottoms and buy and sell all the waves, fan out incremental orders, etc.  I did it an April and did it in November+December. But not now when all the longer technicals are upside down like this - then it becomes too risky, like I explained earlier.

But would it not work to do the other way around this time? Sell at resistance levels and then buy with discount at support? And if support fails, even better? Or do you consider the  choo choo taking off for the moon being too much of a risk?


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: 1Pakis on February 07, 2014, 11:33:07 AM
I also do that cowboy style trading where I try to catch the very bottoms and buy and sell all the waves, fan out incremental orders, etc.  I did it an April and did it in November+December. But not now when all the longer technicals are upside down like this - then it becomes too risky, like I explained earlier.
I do this https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/YPB2TpLr7QvmoD6Wh with about 10% of my worth in BTC.
I also do arbitrage & ALL IN BTC when we break the last ATH.


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: seleme on February 07, 2014, 11:41:26 AM
I bought 7 BTC on 630$, 25k$ more waiting to see if bears are just idiots or full idiots  ;D


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: Kluge on February 07, 2014, 11:50:14 AM
Unless you were really bearish before and think the drop was a correction, this is a pretty clear overcorrection, so I'm buying a little. Everyone knew a Gox implosion has been imminent for about a year.


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: TERA on February 07, 2014, 11:51:45 AM
I also do that cowboy style trading where I try to catch the very bottoms and buy and sell all the waves, fan out incremental orders, etc.  I did it an April and did it in November+December. But not now when all the longer technicals are upside down like this - then it becomes too risky, like I explained earlier.

But would it not work to do the other way around this time? Sell at resistance levels and then buy with discount at support? And if support fails, even better? Or do you consider the  choo choo taking off for the moon being too much of a risk?
It's too difficult to identify these "resistance" and "support" levels during a serious downtrend. I thought support today was going to be 750 or 720 but it was 619 and now I have no idea where "resistance" is going to be. The levels are always likely to be lower than I expect or descend too fast for me to respond to and then I make a failed trade, losing fiat value. During a downtrend it is important to preserve fiat value rather than coin value and it will ultimately end up buying me more coins - as long as I reverse this strategy once the uptrend starts.


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: Richard Branson on February 07, 2014, 11:55:35 AM
I bought 7 BTC on 630$, 25k$ more waiting to see if bears are just idiots or full idiots  ;D

Not bears. Panic bulls. Bears allready bought back a few %. Thanks for the cheap coins pigs.


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: teukon on February 07, 2014, 12:49:07 PM
The Russians are buying now.  Their government has just declared it awesome (i.e. they've banned it) and the news is sweeping the country!


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: HairyMaclairy on February 07, 2014, 12:52:39 PM
All these waves and fans are too complicated for me.

I just had a good chunk of my limit orders filled and reset to resell closer to 800.  Let's see how we go.


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: Kluge on February 07, 2014, 12:53:56 PM
The Russians are buying now.  Their government has just declared it awesome (i.e. they've banned it) and the news is sweeping the country!
Everyone knows Russians only accumulated bitcoins through malware and ponzi scams, anyway. :D


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: teukon on February 07, 2014, 01:41:13 PM
The Russians are buying now.  Their government has just declared it awesome (i.e. they've banned it) and the news is sweeping the country!
Everyone knows Russians only accumulated bitcoins through malware and ponzi scams, anyway. :D

Touché!

I guess the global market values Russian scams more than Russian rubles.


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: c0ldfusi0nz on February 07, 2014, 01:49:37 PM
As if by providence I was awoken from my slumber at 2 AM local time and snagged some of those sweet, sweet sub-$700 coins.


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: MatTheCat on February 07, 2014, 01:55:32 PM
Hodlers hodl - they are irrelevant, but who sold at 900 and now is buying back? For me it looks like at least a temporary bottom.

After my spidey senses haven woken me from my sleep just as Bitcoin hit $666.66666666 after a ~1700 single sell order hit, I placed a sub $500 buy-in. Now are at $720, charts are looking horrible although past experience and 'common sense' tells me that this still should be a good time to buy as we are likely to reach up towards new resistance level ($765) over next few days.

However, I have absolutely no faith that some whale isn't sitting watching and even encouraging buy-in support building up, with 5000 BTC ready to dump on the market. This slide, consisted of some ridiculously 'well timed' humongous sell orders that came right out of blue. Are these just a big bunch of 'panicky whales' who happened to have impeccably bad timing, or is this all deliberate?

It's too difficult to identify these "resistance" and "support" levels during a serious downtrend. I thought support today was going to be 750 or 720 but it was 619 and now I have no idea where "resistance" is going to be. The levels are always likely to be lower than I expect or descend too fast for me to respond to and then I make a failed trade, losing fiat value. During a downtrend it is important to preserve fiat value rather than coin value and it will ultimately end up buying me more coins - as long as I reverse this strategy once the uptrend starts.

The major episodes of slippage were caused by whales coming along and dumping 1500+ BTC all at once. A swing trader simply cannot legislate for that and how can anyone have any faith that the same thing isn't away to happen in 10 minutes or whatever. Only reason I think it won't is cos a 1500 BTC sale would knock the BID wall back $100 USD at the moment. It won't happen again until reasonable support builds up,....I wouldnt have thought.. :-\

http://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/2332321.jpg



Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: MatTheCat on February 07, 2014, 02:01:59 PM
Doppelpost


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: Torque on February 07, 2014, 02:33:24 PM
MattTheCat, I agree that the dump by a couple of whales seemed to be coordinated and well timed at the end, taking advantage of the FUD factor.  The only plausible explanation. 

Could they do it again?  Probably, sure, but I'm wondering if it was really only one time thing.  Especially if it had been planned for some time.  But hindsight is always 20/20, and in a month or two we could possibly be looking back at this moment in the charts as the final capitulation.


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: seldon on February 07, 2014, 02:38:42 PM
All these waves and fans are too complicated for me.

I just had a good chunk of my limit orders filled and reset to resell closer to 800.  Let's see how we go.

pretty good idea imho!


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: Miz4r on February 07, 2014, 02:40:38 PM
Unless you were really bearish before and think the drop was a correction, this is a pretty clear overcorrection, so I'm buying a little. Everyone knew a Gox implosion has been imminent for about a year.

I really doubt Gox is actually going down in flames this time, it will rise back up when the BTC withdrawal issue gets fixed. Fiat withdrawals however are another story, but it has been like that forever so people are used to that. It's good to let this final bearish steam out though, that way we will soon all be fresh and ready for another big rally like in October-November 2013. :)


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: MatTheCat on February 07, 2014, 03:16:27 PM
MattTheCat, I agree that the dump by a couple of whales seemed to be coordinated and well timed at the end, taking advantage of the FUD factor.  The only plausible explanation. 

Could they do it again?  Probably, sure, but I'm wondering if it was really only one time thing.  Especially if it had been planned for some time.  But hindsight is always 20/20, and in a month or two we could possibly be looking back at this moment in the charts as the final capitulation.

and the dump volume was heavily focused on Bitstamp, the main cashing out exchange.....

.....I suppose that could mean lots of things.....'Chinese Bitcoins being turned to fiat with fake numbers coming out of Chinese exchange perhaps'


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: zby on February 07, 2014, 04:15:58 PM
MattTheCat, I agree that the dump by a couple of whales seemed to be coordinated and well timed at the end, taking advantage of the FUD factor.  The only plausible explanation. 

Could they do it again?  Probably, sure, but I'm wondering if it was really only one time thing.  Especially if it had been planned for some time.  But hindsight is always 20/20, and in a month or two we could possibly be looking back at this moment in the charts as the final capitulation.

and the dump volume was heavily focused on Bitstamp, the main cashing out exchange.....

.....I suppose that could mean lots of things.....'Chinese Bitcoins being turned to fiat with fake numbers coming out of Chinese exchange perhaps'

The final beat of the dump was margin calls on bitfinex.


Title: Re: And who is buying now?
Post by: Bobsurplus on February 07, 2014, 04:17:15 PM
I've been buying.. there's never a better time then the moment to increase my holdings.