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I have $15,000 worth of BTC i want to invest it ALL AT ONCE into one or two coins, please put your suggestions here. It has to be a coin that is not overpriced, as in there is still room for like 10x-30x growth within the next 2 weeks, NOT WITHIN THE NEXT 1 year.

Thanks !

Electric coin [VOLT] ;D

So, you wonna invest $15,000 and make 10x-30x growth within the next 2 weeks?

$15,000 x 10 = $150,000
$15,000 x 30 = $450,000
in 2 weeks

Not bad  ;D

Do your own research, you can't just trust anyone here.

There isn't really a coin where people can certainly say about that in the next 2 weeks will be worth 10 times more.


But I do expect that these coins can pretty much only go up because they are really low now:
Ron Paul Coin RPC
Leafcoin  LEAF
Dogecoin DOGE (might take quite long for some good profit though)
Reddcoin RDD
Kittehcoin MEOW

cgb, diamond, dgc

all great coins


gambles with very good chances

doge

Klondikecoin (KDC) might be getting ready to pop, just got listed on coinwarz and is (last I checked) consistently listed near the top in terms of mining profitability.  Invest at your own risk though.

You missed the VTC train by a few days mate.

But really, you can't take anyone's word here. You should do your own research in wich coins would be good.

And btw, you won't just find a coin with 10x-30x guaranteed. If that waas the case we'd all be millionaires.

There is room in almost every coin for that kind of growth, but most won't see it. Asking people their advice like this is asking for bad advice. People will say whichever coin they're invested in.

Instead, like the rest of us, you should read up on each of the new coins and decide for yourself which has the potential to accrue value. I'm mining Vertcoin right now as I think it has good potential for strong early community, and consequently, later utility. I may be absolutely wrong. I debated mining Dogecoin when it launched, and, if I had done so, I'd now be considerably better off. Is my advice still valid? Decide for yourself.

CGB has done v poorly, i bought alot few months ago and it just keeps going down. the devs also abandoned the promised marketing campaign. i sold all and bought vertcoin and made profit instead.

i already rode vertcoin wave after selling my CGB, i covered my losses with CGB and made good profit from vert, now i sold vert.

I want new coin to invest :)

Cryptogenic bullion Is your safest bet, and it's cheap right now. There are block chain projects going to be released soon

OK KLONDLIKE sounds interesting, but didnt the price already go up compared to few weeks ago or is it cheaper now?

I'd be buying the cheap VTC again if i were you, no 20x return but a really high chance of a quick 2-5x return

66 is really cheapest now,u can buy it for cheap price before cryptsy added in 5-10 days... big investment the 66 is the next big train  ;)

Probably the only currency that is an Alt that is worth that size of an investment might be DOGE sadly. The DOGE blockchain is ready to halve its rewards which is convincing many to invest heavily now, additionally the fact that its one of the only of the few Alt currencies with an actual community of people. Additionally the Winter Olympics are going on with world wide broadcasts, any mentions of DOGE during the events they funded could reach many many more people than it normally would have.

It can easily go the exact opposite direction, but the people that are learning about, sharing and "discovering doge" are like regarding it as the next best thing. Little do they realize DOGE is a complete RIP off coin with no advancements over any other Blockchains.

10x gain probably not, I would just try to double my BTC, then do it again and again. Think about it like a dice game, you want 10x profit, the percent chance that will happen when compared to a 2x gain is way lower.

Edit: Long hold would probably look at CGB, XPM

I would invest in XIVRA, you can buy this coin @ coinedup under XIV
The coin cost now only 0.00041 Dollar.
In the End of the Year it can go to 0.1 Dollar

There are coming a lot of new features in the next weeks/month.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=452951.0

Nxt is very young and tyere are a lot of exciting features coming the next year. So it probably go high!! Andmaybe even replacing Bitcoin.  8)

Keep 10k in BTC and spend 5k BTC on building a few scrypt miners and mine what coins you think have a future.

I would not invest 15k in BTC in Alt currency while trying to get a higher return of BTC. If you want to play the Alt market I would advise only investing 1k in a heavily self research endeavor.

The best option is build some miners.

People tend to believe that Alt coins are here to replace BTC when in actuality they are here to accumulate BTC via Alt coins.

DGC is going to open a type of bank... on Monday, not sure... and i have some doubts about it....

but yes, would be better if you investigate by your own....

My apartment is too small to accommodate miners, when i am richer then i plan to move to a big house for my mining dreams. For now i need to multiple my holdings with altcoin investments

Get Quark x10 guaranteed

1/3 to NXT
1/3 to PremineCoin
1/3 to ReddCoin

Not gonna happen OP, all coins are gonna head down soon.

let's be honest, these are all speculative, not 'investment' - and if you're looking at 10x-30x growth? Um, why would anyone share such a projection?

But for a more reasonable return, DOGE appears to have the greatest liquidity and has a huge community of advocates/supporters, plus lots of media attention. It has suffered from a recent downturn due to the admission that it has a 'soft' ceiling, but that doesn't impact the current utility of the coin.

DOGE has fluctuated all over the place, but is currently at around 160satoshi/DOGE - up from 130satoshi a couple of days ago, but well off its height of around 300satoshi.

Here's a good place to look -- as well as compare other alts:
http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/#jump-doge-btc

Really? Why? Do you have some advanced knowledge of something that's going to happen in the next while?

particle and DOGE  :o

I'm fairly certain that Dark coin is going to explode on the CPU side of things once it catches on a bit.

Almost positive Digybyte is about to see a mammoth growth spurt on the scrypt side.

You may see big profits in the alt-coins temporarily but they are all pretty much worthless in the long run.  It's a huge gamble.  If I had 15,000 I'd invest it mostly in Bitcoin and I'd put a bit in the promising long-term coins like Protoshares/Angelshares (To get Bitshares when it comes out), Emunie, Etherium, and maybe Mastercoin and Nxt -- I haven't done enough research on those two yet.

EDIT: You could also buy a few .bit domain names from me at https://dotbit.me.  I have some of the best domains listed there, such as donations.bit, payment.bit, microtransaction.bit, millibit.bit, etc. and my prices aren't absurd like the others.  Scroll through the first few pages in the Trade Domains tab.  These domains have the potential to be extremely valuable if Namecoin takes off.  It's also a good way to diversify.

Topcoin. You will make exactly one billion dollars in two weeks.

I would go to 3 coins
Karma
Penguin
Olympics

feel free to donate some if you win big :)

If you want to go "all in" so to speak Ethrium is a damn good bet.

Whenever something has everyone pissed off it's most likely going to make you money.

Invest in HBN PoS coin, buy 15k worth of HBN and watch it grow.  :P Or another PoS coin. Crypto is not going to make you "richer" as you said you desire to be, only time will tell and it is a wait.

RPC
CAT
DOGE
eTOK

You should def look into Karmacoin. Only 4 days old, pushing against dbl digit satoshis once or twice the past 2 days. Great name, passionate community support, reminds me of Doge's early days. Surprisingly high hash rate for such a young coin.

Only speculating but we are seeing a downtrend similar to june last year after the big rise in april 2013, could be looking at $550 btc or lower beginning early march with all alts crashing as well.

This trend did the same in October of 2012 after a big rise in August

http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/


only speculating though

https://i.imgur.com/UVSmcPA.png (http://youtu.be/vb8si58DW9Y)

http://www.quarkfoundation.cc/projects/

http://www.reddit.com/r/QuarkCoin/

I don't have an investment tip because no one knows what will happen. But these are the 3 reasons I support Quark.

Mooncoin
Fedoracoin
Hotcoin
SCC
Also, every coin based on quark.
You can also hire a developer to make coins with premine for you. Once the coin shows up on an exchange and there is a decent amount of bid orders, sell your premine.

My maininvestment is NXT but i watch out every day for a little trade. Most oft the alts will leave us some day and only the strong survive.

Honestly the only thought that comes to my mnd for a auctal investing would be Doge.

-Only community with a lot of people outside of the "cyrptocurrency gang". Diversity. Over 56,437 members on their subreddit in what? 2 months? Amaze.
-Block having coming up ASAP. Time to invest in now. Can only go up.
-Just had a crash along with bitcoin. Went from $ 0.0017 to $ 0.0010 and its back on the raise again at $ 0.0012 i can see it going up to .18 within the next two weeks.
Winter olympics. Doge has amazing publicty all over the place. Show me another alt coin here that has the same type of publicty as doge.

doge.

to the moon.

all these shitcoins are going to die. They bring nothing to the table and the only people who care about them is "us". And we just try to pump and dump them. No actual value.

MtGox fiasco once again causing the price of BTC to be driven down. I bet it will continue to fall all weekend until Monday when Gox either folds or fixes the problems. Mtgox collapsing again could possibly cause lots of negative PR for BTC and force down the FIAT exchange cost for 1 BTC. I was seeing some graphs in another thread which showed a similar event where BTC in the past crashed after Gox was hacked. If it crashes the same % as it did in the past due to that mtgox news the following days could be = to about 1BTC = 100-280USD

MTgox is really a shit company. We need to stop using them all together. There are plenty of other exchanges. I've been trying to verify my account for the past 4 months. I have .58 bitcoins in there. Fuck that shit company.

Doge is a good potential to invest before Sochi and block halving. I also would consider Reddcoin. Despite its poor launch it has great innovative devs behind. Good luck and do your research before you invest into any alt. ;)

15 grand?

Put a whack into bitcoin when it bottoms.
Litecoin and Peercoin are good longterm.
I agee with buying Doge. It's cheap and popular. It could go places and if not; no real loss.

Take a few thou and try the pumpanddumpers. Timing is everything. VERRY high risk for anyone out of the loop. Be prepared to write this money off.

I have no credibility here whatsoever but I am in a similiar scenario.

I wrote an article on this very topic about a week ago. I do not recommend any particular currency, just some criteria and things to look for when choosing a cryptocurrency to invest (http://razorsforex.blogspot.com/2014/02/which-cryptocurrency-should-you-invest.html) in.

http://razorsforex.blogspot.com/2014/02/which-cryptocurrency-should-you-invest.html

Let me know what you think.

That is an excellent article. Thankyou.

Once you sift through the bullshit and bullshitters, there are very helpful, knowledgable people here.

Thanks. Good to hear.

doge = popular
prt = upcoming new wallet
vert= power to the people(small miners)

or ethereum

ITT: Stupid people giving stupid advice.

I would go with PRT or VERT, both have potential and are under valuated

The problem with DOGE (which also happens to be one of its pluses), is the sheer amount of daily trade volume it has.  That means, to even see a double in price back to its former high of around 300 satoshis, it's going to take millions and millions of dollars in constant daily trade growth and knocking down ridiculously big sell walls. It was MUCH easier for doge to sky to that 300 barrier back in its early stages when it had a far smaller market cap.    You may see a nice 30-40 percent gain in a month or so, but I wouldn't bet on anything higher than that.

If you're looking for the greatest profit potential, you're going to have to look at the smaller, cheaper coins with smaller market caps.  I'm having trouble determining which of these new coins to invest in myself...but if you're smart you'll look for one that brings something new to the table. 

Although VERT was simply a copy of a jane scrypt coin and certainly not the first or last, it played that angle and advertised better than any other n-algo coin...and thus the price exploided.  It had a gimmick.

Most alts are simply just copy pasta with a nicely designed logo. 

Karma could make you 30% tonight.  It offers little downside risk at this moment.  I've been steadily making 15-30% plays on it all week.

I wonder if there are really people like him, who want to put that kind of money with not really an idea (see thread) and not really small money (this is not an early adopter with 500btc and want to spend 25btc speculative) in altcoins.

I mean, people just post the name of the coin they have. Yeah, buy Hotcoin or eToken, because I was lucky to mine a significant share at the beginning.

To the question: The best choice would be Qubitcoin (Q2B). This coin will 10fold in one week and 100fold in two weeks. It has a new algorithm!! Don't miss the train!!!!

Says the guy with the giant 66 signature banner... Yep, no bias here. 

  ;D

I would go for MAX, USDe, KITTEH, BTC.

I would not invest in ethereum.  It is structured to ripoff the investor.

max?
Are you FUCKING kidding me? Shitcoin. Shitdev. Shitlaunch. shitty shit shit.

Long term: Doge

Short term: Electric VOLT

Most of it in Bitcoin, and some in Nxt.

Create your own coin. I think you have the enough budget.

Buy BKE.  That's not an altcoin, that's a stock for a real company that actually produces value.

+1 for mooncoin

BTC price is DROP now. buy BUY BTC will all your money now.then tell me your profit in 1 a month later. ;D

NOBL is the best choice for you, it will bring you the growth of 5-10 times

There is like half a trillion of them?

Prospercoin ;) ;) ;) ;) big plans for the future early adopters will be happy in 2 months time real dev... just a heads up

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=438433.0

Very short term: Unobtanium
It will be at 0.05BTC by Monday and will be pumped easily 2x more than.
If you want a sure 5x return, buy now and put a sell at 0.075BTC

Longer term: Counterparty XCP
Not some crappy alt that needs a pump. It doesn't have a GUI yet, if you can get your hands on some XCP now, you're sure to see some nice profits on the long run.

dogecoin for sure. will block reward halvening 2 times in next 3 months you are guaranteed 4 times growth. have a look at dogecoin subreddit and check for yourself. Guaranteed to get few free doges while you are there. I have not seen any other coin's community rising so rapidly.

Please strongly consider DigiByte.



DigiByte Website: http://www.digibyte.co/
DigiByte Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=408268.0


1) Speed: DigiByte is Blazing fast! Much faster than Bitcoin & Litecoin, and fast enough to buy coffee from a merchant in just a few seconds with the press of a button on a smart phone!

2) Transactional Currency: With 21 billion coins, DigiByte will primarily become a worldwide currency traded for goods & services, and not a volatile speculative commodity like Bitcoin. DigiByte has a natural ratio of 1BTC:1000DGB to Bitcoin. This means that if Bitcoin is worth $1,000 DigiByte should be worth $1 -$10. A Perfect price for buying goods & services. No one likes to look in their wallet and see that they have 0.001 coins; 1,000 DigiBytes are much more appealing.

3) Community: DigiByte was planned and designed for over a month before launch. Since then, the community around DigiByte has continued to grow and contribute to its success.

4) Fair Launch: DigiByte was announced more than 3 days ahead of time. It was delivered at the exact minute advertised with a countdown timer for a fair launch. Over a half million dollars in hardware were thrown at the network in the first few minutes alone.

5) Transparency: The pre-mine of DigiByte is publicly posted and is used to further the long-term success of DigiByte.

6) DigiByte Name: You store data in megabytes & gigabytes. Why not store money in DigiBytes?


Merchants Accepting DGB:
mininGRAFIK Design: http://minigrafik.com/minigrafik-now-accepting-digibyte-dgb-payment-method/
San Francisco SEO: http://sanfranciscoseoagency.com/cryptocurrency/
Crypto Directory: http://www.cryptodirectory.info/
Glivet Clothing E-Store: http://glivet.com/index.php?
Portuguese Hotel in Brazil: http://residencialcastor.com.br/
Intraweb Design: http://intrawebstudio.com/contact/
AUSE Electronic Cigarettes: http://ausecigs.com.au/cryptocurrency/
Web911 Creative Agency: http://www.web911.co/
Crypto Crock Alligator Meat:http://cryptocrock.com/
Euro Inks: http://www.2euroinks.com/
Black Cat Games: http://www.blackcatgames.org/
OEM Concept: https://www.oemconcept.com/
Project ONE Hookahs: http://projectonehookahs.com/
Pyrenees Dog Trainer: http://www.psychodog.eu/
Iquidus Technologies: http://www.iquidus.co.nz/?q=crypto

Will the value of dogecoin increase over time though for DOGE/BTC because the # of coins is infinite?

Also, take a look at the new and innovating HunterCoin (HUC) - it's currently about 2 weeks old, but is enjoying a suddenly rise in valuation due to its 'game' element. It incorporates a sort of MMORPG with a concept of 'human mining' and is in active development. This could be the foundation of a new gaming paradigm.

See:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=435170.0
http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300538.0

It currently trades on poloniex.com - where atm, it's .00185BTC per HUC. Because it takes 1.05 HUC just to 'play,' HunterCoin has its own built-in demand-utility.

Invest your time to avoid all recommended coins here. :) ALL AT ONCE avoid that coins. Within next 2 weeks avoid it. NOT WITHIN THE NEXT 1 year, through that time you can buy it. :)

Look at dark coin it is practically brand new

Do it now on litecoin and dogecoin..

vertcoin for sure, asic proof unique algorithm + some big things coming out soon, and its on bter.com already

Klondike Coin! My target is $1 which I think will happen in about 1-1½ month. They cost below $0.1 at the moment at Coinmarket.io

as much as i am a fan of klondioke in 1 - 1 1/2 months there will be 10,000,000 minted as much as i would love to see klondike that high myself it will not have a market cap of 10,000,000 in my opinion

Check out NXT, you will see it is one of the only truly innovating altcoin in 2013-2014. The price is still low because the community is not really advertising it yet, since some aspects are still under development, and because many people think NXT suffers from serious flaws, like pre-mining, that are just myths, debunked here http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/FAQ.

I personally put 10k in it one month ago. I'm so glad I did. I have stakes in many altcoins (LTC, PPC, XPM, NMC, CAT, DOGE, MEOW, UFO, GRC, Reddcoin, LOT, SEXcoin, MMC, DATACoin), some to a higher extent than NXT, but NXT is by far the most promising.

Here's a don't: don't invest money in stocks (ASICminer, ActiveMining, Rentalstarter and the likes). 90% fail. I lost 100 BTC in 2013 due to investments in failed mining operations. Many other people lost a lot more.
And of course, don't live any money on any website (exchange, online wallet, etc.)

Bitgem is gonna get pumped next

RPC and Etok are at the bottom, they will jump high soon.

The biggest danger to any alt coin or even bitcoin is if iCoin start getting ramped up into the mainstream.

Most of you reading this will laugh, but think about it, I can see myself buying a cup of coffee with iCoin.

One facebook comment got my attention recently.
"Finally a Coin that is relevant, I can see myself using iCoin for buying items in the future as for the rest of the coins they really have terrible names. I guess us ladies are more fussy when it comes to these things. :)"

The 3 Star Trek coins are dirt cheap at https://www.scifi-ex.com


Well, easy to do baseless plug, you may say. True, but take a look at this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=444046

5 min research and 0.1 BTC are small investments. But if Paramounts endorses us, wouldn't the coins go crazy?

Without a doubt, only 100k market. New features coming out soon, long standing and committed dev.

I think were going to see a couple million for this coin as people scramble over the few coins that are left.

Should have listened to those of us who mentioned DOGE. Since posting this, DOGE has jumped again, up to nearly 200satoshi -- a gain of 25% in two days. Not too shabby, but no way to know if it will stabilise or slide back down of course. Definitely one for active traders.

DOGE , for active traders or long term , yo can put your 15000$ there , and in a year you can have 150.000$ or nothing , yes all of this investment is high risk , but if you don´t mind about he risk , the best option for me it´s doge , the most important community make the Doge a strong coin.

That sounds like a good way to loose 15k. If I were in your shoes I would consider all of the factors in investing in something. Asking on here will make your cash go up in smoke.

That said, if your set on investing in alt coins, I would buy a mining computer. At least if it doesn't work out you have something to sell to get your investment capital back. There are many computer companies that can build a mining system. I would stay away from mining contracts as they sell for more than they are worth.

That is my two cents. If you need help PM me.

create or own coin and market it

I honestly don't think you can go wrong with doge at this point, huge community and growing. I cant imagine a scenario other than complete burst that has doge less in November than it is now.

I like the 40,30,20,10 strategy. 40% doge, 30% in something middle of the road with potential like Meow, 20% in something newer with potential like vert or max, and 10% into scrypt mining.

doge

Not sure about doge, many people say it will not rise that much anymore, because of to many coins.

And the price rised like 50% in like 3 days, which is alot, I would wait till friday or halfing.

I am thinking of investing in POT or VOLT.

Maybe into Vert, but I think I missd my time to invest in it

just buy fees in a multitude of exchanges.

Right now, BTC and DOGE.

DOGE for sure!

Buy doge wait 3 days, sell and buy an island !

I'ld recommend putting .5-1btc in Xivra.  It is a new coin, with good devs, and a solid long term development plan.  In a few months who knows where it could be!

POTCoin or Sexcoin. I like digibyte so.

should have bought DOGE at posting, should buy DOGE now.

One month and LTC will be 300 million and DOGE will be 600 million...... happening now while you LTC and alt coin dreamers watch.....

EDIT: passing PEERCOIN TODAY!

Hold on investing in decentralized currencies until some solid announcements from the US government.

Focus more on not losing money than profit. Profit will come if capital will be intact.

As of now my two choices:

1. XRP (ripple)
2. XNF (NoFiatCoin)

Already regretting selling DOGE yesterday at 212satoshi - now it's knocking on 300. That was quick. Would have been a major play when the OP posted. Wonder if he listened to any of the suggestions?

booyah

That was a good prediction.

impressive!

who knows if he can tell when the price will rise too :D

hehe good job.


What is next master ?   :)

Hold your money till NEM is fully developed.
This will be THE Altcoin 2014

Black coin
NxT
Nem

NEM all the way  ;D

Also PMC - the future of Bitcoin.
Its very cheap now and there are only 500000 in circulation.
It has got a good community and the scarcity of the coin might drive it much higher in future.

Buy 100000000000000000 TEK and crash the market the other week ;D

My advice is to pre-order a KnC Titan or just hold your BTC for a few years.

If you are looking to get 20x return on your 15,000 all that is going to happen is you are going to loose your 15,000.

Smart advice (assuming your power costs are low).

Buying and holding altcoins is not a good strategy in a bear market.

So, did you make your mind? Did you invest $15,000 in altcoin(s)?

$500 on CGB gets you about .1% of overall as a long term. I would also suggest some DOGE, LTC, PPC, XPM, NMC, WDC and DGC. The rest hold BTC. Do check out Ethereum when it launches. You can make a good profit short term with some p and d scams, but you can also lose all there. I prefer the safe route with a little patience. Good luck!

P.s. - apologies on the change of direction with CGB, but we had a major shake up and shake out. I think you would be very pleased with the new team, focus and direction. More info on our new site, link in signature.

megacoin

& 2 coins that are also really solid with great devs and community that I think are wildly underpriced also are:

sexcoin
franko

With that much u can start mining 3btc/day.

BitcoinPlus (XBC) rose 500% today. More planned.

Nxt Decentralized Crypto Platform, Not just a coin!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzbNDCoHn60 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzbNDCoHn60)

http://nxtra.org/nxt-client/index.html (http://nxtra.org/nxt-client/index.html) (userfriendly client in test mode, ask for free testcoins in forums)

https://nxtforum.org/ (https://nxtforum.org/) (forum)

http://www.nxtclient.org/ (http://www.nxtclient.org/) (all different available clients, personally recommend offspring client)

Have a look yourself.

Can't promise you make much in 2 weeks but in 1 Month you will double. 10x - 30x? one years time, sorry im just being honest.

I think you can take a look to this coin-->https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=558319.0 (community coin)

if you really wants to join that community, there will be an other giveaway soon. Check it!

Huntercoin (HUC) hands down...

TONS of room for growth and a wonderful idea.

Take all your money you have, wait until NEM-stakes auction beginn and buy some stakes!! There are about 120 stakes you can buy.
This would be the best investment you'll ever make in your life.

Invert in NOBLECOINS, they raise 550% in two days, more than 240 btc of volume daily and soon will hit MintPal and raise at least 250% more in THIS week.

get some black coin, dark coin and the rest try to trade with hyped coins
currently it's the new algo x11 coins
beware there is many shit coins

nas is the best project, or nem.

My recommendations are Quark, Megacoin, Litecoin or Feathercoin.

Since this thread started 2 months ago, I am curious in which altcoins you have invested and whether you have reached your goal of 10-30x profits?
Maybe we can learn something from you.

Coins positions change. So probably would have to shit money around :D

1. NXT
2. Qora
3. EXo
Nxt Decentralized Crypto Platform
https://nxtforum.org/ (forum),the team of the nxt are all here.

VTC

Times are changing.

Buy the newest and shittiest crap clone coin that comes out. You will make a fortune.

Not a fortune when you invest in NEM

darkcoin DRK and myriadcoin MYR..no doubt

there will be soon an auction for NEM-stakes:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303.6780

dickcoin  ;)