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Title: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: Lontonbit on June 25, 2018, 03:52:57 PM
Is this becoming a religious experience for some?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBw94cH-ErI&t=2s


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: markjamrobin on June 25, 2018, 04:34:25 PM
Is this becoming a religious experience for some?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBw94cH-ErI&t=2s

It is crazy to say that it is a religion. Do you understand what a religion is? Cryptocurrency is simply a boom in technology and the profitability of investing in it, which is the attraction.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: izanagi narukami on June 25, 2018, 04:40:20 PM
People have their own belief so we can't say for sure whenever crypto is a cult or not.
For me personally, Bitcoin is investment tool but more riskier than ordinary stock trading.

Some people may say that bitcoin is haram, well in the point of religion , it's a true point !


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: Mr.Jovetic on June 25, 2018, 04:43:07 PM
Of course it's not a religion, however some people are trying to bring it here, hopefully unsuccessfully.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: adroitful_one on June 25, 2018, 05:22:52 PM
No it is not a cult. It's simply a new currency using new technology that people have really bought in to. If it were a cult of some sort, there would be someone on top telling us everything we need to do and we would probably be paying membership dues every week. Plus, there would be some kool-aid ready for us to drink when the space ship shows up to come and take us home. Don't drink that kool-aid just yet


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: 5ensei on June 25, 2018, 07:06:43 PM
It's not exactly a cult but it causes cult like behaviour. It draws you in with promises of riches, gets you hooked into the numbers and different types of coins, and then you realise you're at the mercy of the whales (cult leaders!)


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: kingzpro on June 25, 2018, 07:42:11 PM
No way, crypto is a new transparent and efficient technology based on blockchain network and there is huge space of making money out of it as it will slowly but surely take over the traditional systems, so it is an advanced and disruptive technology.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: miningnew on June 25, 2018, 08:06:38 PM
There is a lot of irrationality and people are in a form of belief sometimes blind... there are prophets (almost martyrs ! Mc Cafee..) then maybe a little bit


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: Etrilicious on June 25, 2018, 09:30:49 PM
Haha that's a crazy way to put it, you can't say its a religion. You should know better what religion is?? Crypto is no cult nor religion.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: Raist on June 25, 2018, 09:34:58 PM
Is this becoming a religious experience for some?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBw94cH-ErI&t=2s

Sure. We shall soon see the Saint Doge statues in booths-temples. Eos was in fact the "goddess" of A. Greece  pantheon and there are many more. So yes - it is a religion and mythology will appear soon :P


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: tinyblue on June 25, 2018, 09:46:30 PM
That video is a joke right? No way that was real.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: Febo on June 25, 2018, 09:48:07 PM
Is this becoming a religious experience for some?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBw94cH-ErI&t=2s

Do you know that is an actor from popular TV show Silicon Valley? And this is a part of the episode.   I know is hard for you all this to gasp.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: tabas on June 25, 2018, 09:56:46 PM
That video is a joke right? No way that was real.
Totally a joke, the video was all about the Piper ICO and that guy named "Gilfoyle" was a joke by the way he's answering the beautiful lady. The title was deceiving but the point of it was the answer of that guy which has some resemblance to "overlords". I don't find this thread discussing with a crypto cult if the video is the main topic or that Gilfoyle guy the way he answers make himself looks like some sort of leader. He said he's been mining since 2009.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: MairaObergh on June 25, 2018, 10:09:38 PM
What the title of this thread reminded me was of all the "Lets teach children about Crypto" threads that used to pop up often here. Because those people were equating it to something so... I don't know. Someone from the outside might see that as cult like.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: Lontonbit on June 25, 2018, 10:23:29 PM
That video is a joke right? No way that was real.
Totally a joke, the video was all about the Piper ICO and that guy named "Gilfoyle" was a joke by the way he's answering the beautiful lady. The title was deceiving but the point of it was the answer of that guy which has some resemblance to "overlords". I don't find this thread discussing with a crypto cult if the video is the main topic or that Gilfoyle guy the way he answers make himself looks like some sort of leader. He said he's been mining since 2009.
Good answer lol 😂 and yes, the way he answers does remind me of a cult leader


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: georgereyes on June 25, 2018, 10:40:40 PM
Its teh HODL gang tbh.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: tabas on June 25, 2018, 11:21:28 PM
That video is a joke right? No way that was real.
Totally a joke, the video was all about the Piper ICO and that guy named "Gilfoyle" was a joke by the way he's answering the beautiful lady. The title was deceiving but the point of it was the answer of that guy which has some resemblance to "overlords". I don't find this thread discussing with a crypto cult if the video is the main topic or that Gilfoyle guy the way he answers make himself looks like some sort of leader. He said he's been mining since 2009.
Good answer lol 😂 and yes, the way he answers does remind me of a cult leader
While I'm listening to his answers he wanted to tell that woman that he has to be respected. People like these are really existing though I have respect for him if its real that he is an early adopter.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: Filicius on June 25, 2018, 11:40:01 PM
Is this becoming a religious experience for some?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBw94cH-ErI&t=2s

Do you know that is an actor from popular TV show Silicon Valley? And this is a part of the episode.   I know is hard for you all this to gasp.

Damn, so many stupid comments before yours... it's a real problem that most newbies here do not follow the few clear rules in crypto. Like DYOR, or don't risk what you can't afford to lose.

That's the reason why the really extraordinary crypto pump is delaying so much.

(and no, I don't give a fuck if you're legendary or whichever rank if you don't know the character or the series, you're still a noob in this crypto-world).


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: rahul10 on June 26, 2018, 02:06:01 AM
Take a look at the thread that was in denial that Microsoft removed Bitcoin payments on their site.

"Well you can still pay with Bitcoin"

"Uh no you can't. Here is a screenshot of the payment window right now on my account, the Pay with Bitcoin option is gone"

"But you can still convert Bitcoin to fiat and just pay with that, so you can still use Bitcoin!"


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: mamesso on June 26, 2018, 02:30:37 AM
I am very interested in this topic, and say this should be a warning to people who adhere to a belief. legal aspects that must be studied for every believer. Bitcoin and other assets are often associated with illuminations I have ever read but I never knew the truth.
hopefully there is a discussion here.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: Tuturtinular on June 26, 2018, 02:41:27 AM
Haha that's a crazy way to put it, you can't say its a religion. You should know better what religion is?? Crypto is no cult nor religion.
It is very sad if humans make crypto as a religion maybe because of the rapid technological developments make people neglect to remember their god and what they think is just a job and lulled by what they are looking for


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: SinisterS on June 26, 2018, 03:00:25 AM
Not more of a cult than say being hardcore pro a sports team or player, a brand like Apple or Google, and many, many, many other things.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: yonton on June 26, 2018, 03:54:39 AM
What attracted you to an ICO?

What attacted me...was the passage an ICO offers across the river sticks of venture capital. What attracted me, was an informed disdain for traditional fiat currency, it's paper stained with the greasy finger prints of your banks and your mints. What attacted me was cryptocurrencies fundamental anonymity that sheilds private transactions from the peering green eyes of the all knowing governmental overlords. Does that answer your Question? hahahahaha


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: caisa88 on June 26, 2018, 05:29:27 AM
No, of course it's not a cult, but for some people it can become really addictive. I know people that spend most of their time studying crypto, and crypto is all they talk about.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: unusualfacts30 on June 26, 2018, 05:44:57 AM
It's not exactly a cult but it causes cult like behaviour. It draws you in with promises of riches, gets you hooked into the numbers and different types of coins, and then you realise you're at the mercy of the whales (cult leaders!)

that's more of gambling behavior than behavior of a cult. In order for it to be considered cult, it has to have a leader and same philosphy which it doesn't since everyone is interested in crypto for different reason. perhaps certain coin can be considered cult in their own way but probably not since they don't fit the definition.

that video was funny nonetheless and I don't think it was meant to be taken so seriously


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: zxfffz on June 26, 2018, 08:14:24 AM
Most crypto is difficult to associate with cult. People trust it and invest in it based on their future, but a few crypto may have signs that they ban all opponents, concentrate power, and exclude other coins.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: mrphilippine on June 26, 2018, 08:20:58 AM
That is crazy to say that crypto is a cult. We are here because of the technology and innovation happening in the world. We are getting on board on this and cope with the newest discovery blockchain. Religions and cult is a different genre so i think we have our own opinion to tell that.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: SinisterS on June 26, 2018, 07:46:31 PM
What attracted you to an ICO?

What attacted me...was the passage an ICO offers across the river sticks of venture capital. What attracted me, was an informed disdain for traditional fiat currency, it's paper stained with the greasy finger prints of your banks and your mints. What attacted me was cryptocurrencies fundamental anonymity that sheilds private transactions from the peering green eyes of the all knowing governmental overlords. Does that answer your Question? hahahahaha

You might be in the wrong thread.

Edit: I just Googled what you wrote to see if it was copied and pasted, and it's from the actor of this video it seems. So I guess it was a related joke.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: TianaStam on June 26, 2018, 08:10:45 PM
For someone obviously it is. I do not understand those people, but they probably have their own philosophy about crypto. Well, there are crazy people in every side of our life I guess  :D


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: just_Alice on June 26, 2018, 09:00:51 PM
No, if one believes in a potential of somethhing it doesn't mean that that person is religious. If judging so - every person who values money and obsessed with earning it is religious.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: RainyDay23 on June 26, 2018, 09:14:34 PM
If someone with a cult like personality got into Bitcoin say in 2010, then they probably accumulated a lot and refuse to sell. Probably billionaires now, but still refuse to sell.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: bishopcrypto on June 26, 2018, 10:01:43 PM

Crypto is cultish. But it is not a cult.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: RainyDay23 on June 27, 2018, 02:01:59 AM

Crypto is cultish. But it is not a cult.

It really is not cultish. Everybody seems more interested in making money, as apposed to worshiping it.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: Suslived on June 27, 2018, 02:06:09 AM
Is this becoming a religious experience for some?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBw94cH-ErI&t=2s

There will always be extremists no matter what they believe in.

The important thing to remember is to focus on your own growth and development. If people want to be cultish about it then let them be, this is a free world anyway. Mind your own business and instead focus on things that will help you and your crypto investment grow.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: cutiemolit on June 27, 2018, 02:36:11 AM
I don't agree with this. First crypto is not a religion and we don't praise crypto or pray for it. We support crypto in order to earn and gain from our investment. I never heard people pray to crypto. It's really a joke.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: Coinseeker22 on June 27, 2018, 02:39:55 AM
well it is a simple NO! and will never be a cult nor near to be a religion. It is one of the big part of technology enhancement and will continue to evolve in the coming years. Now, i understand that a lot of propagand's are being crafted around bitcoin and other altcoins too. Scam and online gaming use's  bitcoin and people tend to go crazy about. It can be a great tool to help humanity but can also be a toll of great destruction.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: DosPower on June 27, 2018, 02:45:29 AM
I remember the guy who threw away a hard drive like 8 years ago with Bitcoins now worth over $60,000,000. He said that he doesn't follow it anymore, that it seems like a cult. And what I thought is that people who look at it superficially just see people promoting the coins that they hold, and since they don't realize there's an agenda it might come off as "cultish."


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: jackhdt on June 27, 2018, 02:53:53 AM
It's silly if you see crypto as a cult . The crypto world is considered the advanced technology that we care about. It attracts me not simply because the profit from that , it's a technology from the future. If you think people come here for money , you' re wrong. If bitcoin is just a normal stock game , it doesn' t have that much traction


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: Jonbak on June 27, 2018, 03:41:50 AM
In a negative context, the notion of a cult is worship or deification which is sometimes done carelessly and exaggeratedly.
The meaning of cultic meaning here is to claim that they are the righteous and the most righteous . so simply cult is about religion.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: Matcuda on June 27, 2018, 05:13:05 AM
This is not a religion, but the belief that the bull market will come and increase capitalization brings investors closer to the servants of some cult. After all, all our thoughts in this area are aimed at generating income, not information and self-education.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: pyosar on June 27, 2018, 01:24:22 PM
Cryptocurrency and blockchain is only a good technology that will change our world for the better, but no more. But it is impossible to condemn anyone, everyone has the right to choose.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: tweetbit on June 27, 2018, 02:09:56 PM
Is this becoming a religious experience for some?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBw94cH-ErI&t=2s

In this particular interview with this man their are signs, but it isn’t enough. Because cryptocurrency investment has no leader its singularity and individualists. Doesn’t have a core to dictate or given a rules on it. All of this is the opposite characteristic of a cult. I’d even be agreed that politics is, the one is hidden that has financial capacity controls this dummy’s. I know one and believe me, he looks devilish.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: akitha on June 27, 2018, 05:00:30 PM
Crypto is not a cult, probably it just the people who thinks like that..Why they are trying to link crypto into like this kind of act.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: waaat? on June 27, 2018, 05:33:16 PM
No, guys, not cult. But some trust we should have if we want to enter crypto in the our life. It's not a doctrine or faith. But it's confidence about future. And about place which crypto will take


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: blacktux88 on June 27, 2018, 06:21:40 PM
everywhere , everywolrd will be a cultur if people see to make money

there was an big crimial team in austria which make event like ceremony

but i dont think this is the right way

crypto is so mouch more


Is this becoming a religious experience for some?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBw94cH-ErI&t=2s


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: Isaythebitcoinbitch on June 27, 2018, 06:41:30 PM
cryptocurrencies are a REVOLUTION!!
not just a cult.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: yonton on June 28, 2018, 05:59:25 AM
What attracted you to an ICO?

What attacted me...was the passage an ICO offers across the river sticks of venture capital. What attracted me, was an informed disdain for traditional fiat currency, it's paper stained with the greasy finger prints of your banks and your mints. What attacted me was cryptocurrencies fundamental anonymity that sheilds private transactions from the peering green eyes of the all knowing governmental overlords. Does that answer your Question? hahahahaha

You might be in the wrong thread.

Edit: I just Googled what you wrote to see if it was copied and pasted, and it's from the actor of this video it seems. So I guess it was a related joke.
It's directly from the video on the first post of this thread lol What are you smoking?


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: Vit83 on June 28, 2018, 06:13:14 AM
This is just a cult of greed)  People saw profits and go there) Look how many addicted gamblers here) How many casino projects we have in crypto)  ;D


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: horse606 on June 28, 2018, 07:00:03 AM
LOL,you know this link of Video is a part of HBO sitcom Silicon Valley, right?


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: duoduoshigexiaozhu on June 28, 2018, 07:28:17 AM
This metaphor is very inappropriate. I admit that some people may be very fanatical about crypto, but this is completely different from the cult fanatical. The cult fanatical is more dependent on mental control, but the crypto fanatical becaue the desire for money.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: Dagfin on June 28, 2018, 07:36:18 AM
Crypto is alternative currency. for cheaper and faster transfers


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: suraza21 on June 28, 2018, 08:04:41 AM
Crypto is actually a digital currency that is built upon the needs of human users when they want to have digital money that can help them invest and invest in them. money like crypto exists not cult


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: AntonioKurandi on June 28, 2018, 08:28:20 AM
Yes, it is)) Why so? cos' it might help you earn money. I see this situation in this way, now there are a lot of projects, and all of them are aimed at improving services, it's cool, but it seems to me that everyone has forgotten about the security of our data, but the block is well protected, but now. I read an article about quantum processors, they are already talking about the possibility of hacking, and what will happen after they become public, and the technology will improve. I began to look, and found an interesting project that is immediately ready to solve the problem of not only quantum protection, but also improve the speed of the entire system as a whole. Kelvin Blockchain is very flexible and adaptive, which makes it a perfect choice for implementation of the new blockchain projects and platforms.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: jdgranfiel on June 28, 2018, 11:42:20 AM
Is this becoming a religious experience for some?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBw94cH-ErI&t=2s

It is crazy to say that it is a religion. Do you understand what a religion is? Cryptocurrency is simply a boom in technology and the profitability of investing in it, which is the attraction.

Is this not an advancement of technology? I can't see anything cult in nature in making money digital. Some people always have a negative version in suspicion to a positive action. In old times primitives opposed the appearance of money coins because they are used to barter. In similar way that is what happening right now.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: jashley on June 28, 2018, 12:06:37 PM
Is this becoming a religious experience for some?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBw94cH-ErI&t=2s
Really? That's what you're thinking right now? What's next crypto has been controlled by the Rothschild and Banks? Well due to a down market which ofcourse a lot of participation of manipulation by the whales that's what they want to happen we think like that like the end of crypto is near and if you let that happen to yourself you accepted that you already lose here.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: SeNeor on June 28, 2018, 12:16:11 PM
No it is not a cult. It's simply a new currency using new technology that people have really bought in to. If it were a cult of some sort, there would be someone on top telling us everything we need to do and we would probably be paying membership dues every week. Plus, there would be some kool-aid ready for us to drink when the space ship shows up to come and take us home. Don't drink that kool-aid just yet
I also agree with you that crypto is not a cult or religious affair and there is nobody controlling what is happening in crypto.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: nsasuiteb on June 28, 2018, 12:33:24 PM
It is definetely not but it is very similar to a religion in some aspects and that's really not good thing for investors, we should sell every crypto including btc at the right time then we can buy again  :)


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: fulmetal08larz on June 28, 2018, 02:58:53 PM
It depends on the individual's perception. If the investor depends solely on hope and faith, it could be considered as a cult. However, if an investor thinks of crypto currency as an advancement in technology which shapes utilization of many things in the real world, then it is not considered a cult.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: supahlovah on June 28, 2018, 06:07:45 PM
This is not a cult...Some governments declare that they support crypto-currencies, while others are ready to defend their national system from its invasion!


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: ballerin and giroud on June 28, 2018, 06:36:45 PM
CULT and payment system that is have far different.

What kind of FUD is this?

Believe in what you understand about cryptocurrency, about other people who spread negative issues let them alone.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: Mahanton on June 28, 2018, 06:47:19 PM
Is this becoming a religious experience for some?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBw94cH-ErI&t=2s
I dont know if this is a serious thing or just pure troll.

How would a cryptocurrency or simply involve on money would already comes to a point where it do correlates with religion? How bullshit this kind on how to correlate things to each other.
Money or digital currency has nothing to do with religion or cult because they are entirely different.

Btw, i didnt watch the link above because it do pissed me of. 8)


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: richshopgh on June 28, 2018, 06:51:18 PM
Is the use of mobile phone,whatsapp or facebook a cult? I wonder why people develop strage concept on cryptocurrency and assume all wild things about it. Crypto is not cult, the fact that only few people have that superior knowledge never make it one.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: adzino on June 29, 2018, 02:05:46 PM
I don't how people comes up with this kind of stupid questions. Really? A cult? Not sure by "cult" whether you mean the literal meaning of cult or more like the loose meaning of cult (trend among a particular group of people). And whats weird is that people are answering to this thread and also commenting on the video link you have posted. Whats more weird is no one recognizes who he is :/. One of my favorite character of the series.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: bitgogo123 on June 29, 2018, 02:08:46 PM
what? You are not kidding. How can a password be a cult? The downside of the password is the use of cults, not the password itself is a cult.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: pereira4 on June 29, 2018, 02:12:50 PM
It's literally the opposite of a cult. Cryptography is based on MATH. You can't have belief in math, it's just freaking math, how it is a cult?

Bitcoin is backed by cryptography, math, hashrate, nodes, this creates what you would call a belief in the system, but this belief is fundamented in very tangible things (contrary to what most idiots would argue about Bitcoin not being tangible).

You cannot simply draw a parallel of religious cult with a technology.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: Geenstijl on June 29, 2018, 02:41:12 PM
As for me it is a very incorrect comparison. Crypto currency and blockchain are very important phenomenons for people, which will change the life of the humanity in a few years. But this is not the reason to treat cryptocurrency as an idol and worship it.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: BattleZeo on July 01, 2018, 08:25:30 AM
Is this becoming a religious experience for some?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBw94cH-ErI&t=2s
cult won’t let us gain profit. Blockchain is no doubt a trend technology, nobody can reject the technology revolution. And nobody would support cult keeping burning their money


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: detector on July 01, 2018, 08:28:15 AM
Is this becoming a religious experience for some?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBw94cH-ErI&t=2s
cult won’t let us gain profit. Blockchain is no doubt a trend technology, nobody can reject the technology revolution. And nobody would support cult keeping burning their money

For some people consider bitcoin as haram , some people call bitcoin is a cult.
Every people have their own judgement based on their religion view although it's completely different thing but of course we can judge them wrong either.
As long as people still support bitcoin, I think it not a problem at all !


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: juragom on July 01, 2018, 08:52:29 AM
I do not think this is a cult but it leads to worship. It attracts you with the promise of wealth, keeping you captivated with numbers and different types of coins. I admit that some people may be very fanatical about cryptocurrancy but this is completely different from the fanatic worship. Zealots are more dependent on mental control.


Title: Re: Is crypto a cult?
Post by: Maddinson100 on July 02, 2018, 06:37:18 AM
cryptocurrencies are a REVOLUTION!!
not just a cult.

Well to be honest I have been reading some articles about this kind of topics and some many people have considered it against religion to invest in Bitcoin. The technology is considered as illegal in the religion. But I think this is the need of the day and as long as it does not harm some one, it is not a bad thing. It is rather letting people earn and has given financial freedom.