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Title: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: nngella on June 26, 2018, 07:32:21 AM Given that there are reports that the current actual number of merits given in the past months did not meet the expected merits for circulation, please let me propose an idea.
Give an incentive to the Merit Sources for them to be proactive in achieving their quota. This will serve as a positive reinforcement to the Merit Sources to encourage them to attain the quota of number of merits for circulation for the month (or for a given period). An incentive can be a form of payment (bitcoin?), special privilege (additional feature on their profile?), or anything that is beneficial to them. What do you think? Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: mdayonliner on June 26, 2018, 07:36:19 AM Give an incentive to the Merit Sources for them to be proactive in achieving their quota. They are merit sources and I think this is the biggest incentive. It's the honor, What makes you think (your are sounding like you are not happy with them) that merit sources are not doing their job correctly? Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on June 26, 2018, 07:39:34 AM At first sight it seems a good idea to me but I don’t think bitcoin payment is gonna happen and additional features on their profiles don’t seem too motivating for me.
Give an incentive to the Merit Sources for them to be proactive in achieving their quota. They are merit sources and I think this is the biggest incentive. It's the honor, recognition and privilege.What makes you think (your are sounding like you are not happy with them) that merit sources are not doing their job correctly? Some of them aren't sending all the smerits, even some are not too active on the forum. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: nngella on June 26, 2018, 07:40:14 AM Give an incentive to the Merit Sources for them to be proactive in achieving their quota. They are merit sources and I think this is the biggest incentive. It's the honor, recognition and privilege.What makes you think (your are sounding like you are not happy with them) that merit sources are not doing their job correctly? Sorry but I do not mean that one. I am not saying that merit sources are not doing their job correctly. We just all know that there are times that they will become busy because they too have their own priorities (e.g. family, business, work, school, etc). I think being a Merit Source is a tedious job hence I just think that giving them something in return is a wonderful thing. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: hilariousetc on June 26, 2018, 07:42:13 AM Why is this necessary? People shouldn't be encouraged with monetary rewards for this because it will just lead to abuse and is one more system to game. We already have an issue with merit abuse yet you want to further incentive it by monetising it? People will just give their merits away needlessly to hit their quota and win a prize, thus merit is likely just going to those that don't really deserve it.
Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: nngella on June 26, 2018, 07:42:15 AM At first sight it seems a good idea to me but I don’t think bitcoin payment is gonna happen and additional features on their profiles don’t seem too motivating for me. Why is this necessary? People shouldn't be encouraged with monetary rewards for this because it will just lead to abuse and is one more system to game. We already have an issue with merit abuse yet you want to further incentive it by monetising it? People will just give their merits away needlessly to hit their quota and win a prize, thus merit is likely just going to those that don't really deserve it. I ran out of idea regarding on what incentive to give. But the main point is to give them an incentive as a form of recognition to them. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: mdayonliner on June 26, 2018, 07:47:27 AM Some of them aren't sending all the smerits, even some are not too active on the forum. In this case I am sure theymos is keeping an eye on them and some day they may be removed from the sources or anything else that he thinks is appropriate.Sorry but I do not mean that one. I am not saying that merit sources are not doing their job correctly. We just all know that there are times that they will become busy because they too have their own priorities (e.g. family, business, work, school, etc). Understood.People will just give their merits away needlessly to hit their quota... Will ruin the whole spirit of the merit system if that comes from the merit sources.Forget to quote: special privilege (additional feature on their profile?) This will do harm to them. People will start to PM or spam them to receive merits from them. Jet Cash (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4483851.0) has a topic which is demonstrating the issue.Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: Vod on June 26, 2018, 08:06:18 AM Give an incentive to the Merit Sources for them to be proactive in achieving their quota. Merit sources have an indirect (unplanned) incentive to spend their merit. We are more likely to receive merit in return for passing out our own merit. :/ Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: bitmover on June 26, 2018, 10:45:41 AM Give an incentive to the Merit Sources for them to be proactive in achieving their quota. Merit sources have an indirect (unplanned) incentive to spend their merit. We are more likely to receive merit in return for passing out our own merit. :/ I think that most merit sources do not need any merit. Actually merit sources should not need merit at all. To avoid conflict of interest. Anyway I think there is no need for an incentive. Maybe we need more merit sources, because there are lots os comments daily in this forum and just a few (about 80 last time I saw) cannot read all of them. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: Vod on June 26, 2018, 11:00:03 AM Actually merit sources should not need merit at all. To avoid conflict of interest. Give us extra, unpaid work to read more posts than usual to find some worthy of merit, then penalize us so we can't advance in rank? Doesn't make sense... :/ Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: bitmover on June 26, 2018, 11:15:26 AM Actually merit sources should not need merit at all. To avoid conflict of interest. Give us extra, unpaid work to read more posts than usual to find some worthy of merit, then penalize us so we can't advance in rank? Doesn't make sense... :/ How can you advance forward legendary? But I didn't said you can't advance in rank, just that you don't need merits. Many merit sources have enough merit to the next rank already, that's why they don't need merit .. this is what I tried to say.. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: Jet Cash on June 26, 2018, 11:21:31 AM I think that most merit sources do not need any merit. Actually merit sources should not need merit at all. To avoid conflict of interest. This post illustrates the one major flaw in the merit system - it has a commercial value. It really should be a means of recognition and guidance for posters. The commercial value means that some members are prostituting themselves to gain merit. I don't understand how there can be a conflict of interest in awarding merits to merit sources. If you don't understand the function of a merit source, and how they work, then I created an article for my blog site. https://talkmerit.com/the-source/index.php/articles/the-bitcoin-talk-merit-system Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: LoyceV on June 26, 2018, 11:36:43 AM People shouldn't be encouraged with monetary rewards for this because it will just lead to abuse and is one more system to game. Exactly!I have a much better incentive: with Merit, I can help improve the forum. Note that merit sources don't have "quota", it's a maximum. I think that most merit sources do not need any merit. Merit isn't only meant to rank up, it's also meant to highlight quality posts. Exluding people from that doesn't make sense.Actually merit sources should not need merit at all. To avoid conflict of interest. Give us extra, unpaid work to read more posts than usual to find some worthy of merit, then penalize us so we can't advance in rank? How can you advance forward legendary? Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: bitmover on June 26, 2018, 11:44:56 AM I think that most merit sources do not need any merit. Actually merit sources should not need merit at all. To avoid conflict of interest. This post illustrates the one major flaw in the merit system - it has a commercial value. It really should be a means of recognition and guidance for posters. The commercial value means that some members are prostituting themselves to gain merit. Merit has commercial value , because it allows accounts to rank up and receive money from the account. Of course people will prostitute to make money, someone also said somewhere that they were trading sex for merit lol I don't understand how there can be a conflict of interest in awarding merits to merit sources. I didn't said that awarding merit to merit source would be a conflict of interest.I said that merit sources lacking merit to rank up could have a conflict of interest. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: Probinus on June 26, 2018, 12:53:20 PM Given that there are reports that the current actual number of merits given in the past months did not meet the expected merits for circulation, please let me propose an idea. Not only this would be pretty much abused just like said above, merit sources would also be forced to give out what they have. If this happen, sources may give undeserving members merit which literally destroys the purpose of the system. I say let the sources give those who they deem worthy. Give an incentive to the Merit Sources for them to be proactive in achieving their quota. This will serve as a positive reinforcement to the Merit Sources to encourage them to attain the quota of number of merits for circulation for the month (or for a given period). An incentive can be a form of payment (bitcoin?), special privilege (additional feature on their profile?), or anything that is beneficial to them. Monetizing the merit system? Hell no.Additional feature on profile? I think this would remove the anonimity of the merit sources, which is also unlikely. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: Vod on June 26, 2018, 01:29:57 PM How can you advance forward legendary? By getting a certain number of activity points for the next level, which has not been determined yet. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: TheUltraElite on June 26, 2018, 02:46:13 PM Given that there are reports that the current actual number of merits given in the past months did not meet the expected merits for circulation, please let me propose an idea. Being a merit source is already a method to make them proactive. There is no need to "push them" in order to get other people ranked up. Let them work at peace. Give an incentive to the Merit Sources for them to be proactive in achieving their quota. Quote An incentive can be a form of payment (bitcoin?), special privilege (additional feature on their profile?), or anything that is beneficial to them. No.Quote What do you think? In my opinion there was an initial craze about the merit system till last month which has decreased now and initially I thought it was because of the dearth in number of merit sources but it seems that its not so. Maybe if they stop meriting and start becoming inactive, theymos would have to actually look into the spamming of the forum and redesign the merit system. Currently the spam problem will not be controlled without increasing the number of mods.Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: DdmrDdmr on June 26, 2018, 03:07:32 PM As in everyday life, many volunteer tasks go unpaid. The reward is in contributing through fulfilling their task, and does not need nor expects any other kind of compensation. When one feels that the task at hand starts to become a burden, one can always leave it and pass the baton on to the next one in line.
Theymos I’m sure monitors Merit Source awarding totals, and probably leaves ample margin for self-management, bearing in mind that one will personally have different windows of spare time available. Merit Sources I doubt need much more incentive than the Forum’s recognition for their task, and a bit of freedom to manage how they fulfil it. What is true though is that there seems to be a rather extended feeling that there aren’t enough available Merit Sources. This nevertheless is really a subset of overall Forum’s weekly total merit being awarded, which is in the area of 3,9k to 4,4k per week lately. If we take May 2018 for example (to get a complete month), the total awarded sMerit adds up to 19.807 sMerits. That is just little more than a thousand over what the Merit Sources have at their disposal in a 30 day window. We do not know however what proportion of May’s sMerit has been awarded by Merit Sources, and how much by regular forum members. Even so, it does seem quite a shocker to me that the maximum potential sMerit for all Merit Sources is nearly equal to all the sMerit awarded forum wide within the month of May. If Merit Sources were at their máx., it would practically mean that only they alone are awarding sMerit on the forum (we know that is not the case really, but neither do we know how far this is from being true). By the way, the official stats now states that there are 81 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 18.700 sMerit per 30 days. I wasn’t aware of the newly appointed Merit Source whoever he/she may be. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on June 26, 2018, 03:14:53 PM Merit sources don't need any incentive. The incentive is *for everyone else* to increase the quality of their posts, but that doesn't seem to be happening. So threads like this are both unnecessary and prove that the system is working by demonstrating that new members aren't ranking up too quickly.
I've said it before, and it seems like it's the general consensus that this forum probably needs more merit sources--especially on the local boards. But until sig campaigns start paying for posts there, that won't keep the non-English speaking population from trying to post in the main section and murdering the language in the process. There have been a couple of new merit source applications as of late, and that's encouraging. People shouldn't be encouraged with monetary rewards for this because it will just lead to abuse and is one more system to game. Word. OP might not realize that anything here that can be abused, will be.Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: Strufmbae on June 26, 2018, 03:48:32 PM I ran out of idea regarding on what incentive to give. But the main point is to give them an incentive as a form of recognition to them. Isn't it a great privilege being a merit source(s)?. If i have huge amount of merit, i will be happy to give it to those who only deserves it, to a post where anybody can connect themselve to crypto industry. I believe that receiving merits from other is also a recognition of your contfibution to the forum. Just a smiple thank you is enough with it, they'll appreciate it. ;) Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: DarkStar_ on June 26, 2018, 04:06:04 PM I think that most merit sources do not need any merit. Actually merit sources should not need merit at all. To avoid conflict of interest. paxmao (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1192397)still needs ~740 merits to reach Legendary. I don't think it's very fair to the lower ranked merit sources to prevent them from ranking up, just because they are helping with the distribution of merits. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: Quickseller on June 26, 2018, 04:33:03 PM The issue is not so much that merit sources are not giving out enough merit (if this was an issue theymos could just designate more people to be merit sources), I believe it is a bigger issue that nonmerit sources have sMerit that is unspent, resulting in much less merit propagating than expected.
This is very hard to address and I don’t see any obvious solutions to this. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: DdmrDdmr on June 26, 2018, 05:06:06 PM <...> Yes, Paxmao is one of those unknown Merit Sources who I consider great contribution as a Merit Source. His Merit Network size is the second overall largest, having merited 468 different forum members as of last Friday. That goes to say for his implication and commitment to finding new forum members to merit. I didn't know he was a source. I thought only legendaries and heroes were sources... <...> He is a big contributor in my local forum (but not limited to) where merit is rather scarce, and proof of how being a Merit Source does not carry you to receiving bags of merit back from awarded members. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: coinlocket$ on June 26, 2018, 06:08:00 PM I don't know if it will help, one thing that will help is to add new sources or change the afk ones with new people who really wants to be sources.
Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: Vod on June 26, 2018, 06:25:59 PM I don't know if it will help, one thing that will help is to add new sources or change the afk ones with new people who really wants to be sources. To be a source, you should be trusted. Otherwise, Theymos risks you just giving all the merit away to your friends, or the highest bidder. :/ Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: bitmover on June 26, 2018, 06:29:25 PM I think that most merit sources do not need any merit. Actually merit sources should not need merit at all. To avoid conflict of interest. I don't think it's very fair to the lower ranked merit sources to prevent them from ranking up, just because they are helping with the distribution of merits. Of course that would be unfair. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I didn't knew there were low rank members who were merit sources. Maybe because I am not a native speaker I may have been misunderstood. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: suchmoon on June 26, 2018, 07:15:22 PM I vote for public beheadings for delinquent merit sources.
Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: Welsh on June 26, 2018, 07:42:53 PM What is true though is that there seems to be a rather extended feeling that there aren’t enough available Merit Sources. One would only assume that he anticipated after dropping the merit system, and selecting the initial merit sources he would receive applications for merit sources rather than finding them manually. Yeah, there's tools for looking at the users sending the most merit, and all that, but that doesn't really show they are distributing their merits to quality posts. I don't know if it will help, one thing that will help is to add new sources or change the afk ones with new people who really wants to be sources. At least publicly, there haven't been many people who have applied. Let alone suitable users for merit sources. I vote for public beheadings for delinquent merit sources. Remind me, why I signed up for this? Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: suchmoon on June 26, 2018, 08:16:04 PM Remind me, why I signed up for this? Health insurance and pension plan? Seriously though, OP's idea while based on a valid concern (we're are sending barely half of available sMerits) seems to assume that sMerits are scarce. Which they mostly are, but not for theymos. He can produce any number of them at any time, i.e. add more merit sources and/or allocate more sMerits per source. Which he's already doing. Incentives would probably skew the system in undesirable ways. But if that is not enough we can always go to plan B(eheadings). Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: Theb on June 26, 2018, 08:22:27 PM Actually merit sources should not need merit at all. To avoid conflict of interest. Give us extra, unpaid work to read more posts than usual to find some worthy of merit, then penalize us so we can't advance in rank? Doesn't make sense... :/ How can you advance forward legendary? But I didn't said you can't advance in rank, just that you don't need merits. Many merit sources have enough merit to the next rank already, that's why they don't need merit .. this is what I tried to say.. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: Vod on June 26, 2018, 08:58:51 PM If I could merit myself, I'd probably never leave my room... ;)
Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: bitmover on June 26, 2018, 09:21:06 PM How can it be considered as conflict of interest? The way I see it is members receiving merits from merit sources are being grateful from the merits they have received therefore they are giving merits as a way of showing gratitude. The more merits they are receiving means the more merits they can sent back again. This is merit trading. This is the conflict I was talking about.. it's positive only to who is involved in this trade... But this is not happening. At least I have never seen it. And merit sources have more smerits than good posts to merit. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: Welsh on June 26, 2018, 09:33:44 PM And merit sources have more smerits than good posts to merit. This may well apply to some merit sources, but certainly doesn't apply to them all. Merit sources don't really get that much per month to distribute when compared to the amount of posts being made site wide, and especially when merit sources are encouraged to send higher amounts per individual post than users who only have sMerit they've "earned" to send. Merit sources don't get an unlimited amount of sMerit to send, and I think a few might dip into their earned sMerit from time to time. Remember, that the merit that merit sources get allocated to distribute refreshes periodically. It is certainly plausible for a merit source who was selected because they are good at identifying good posts to find a good post per day. That's 30 sMerit if you merited every single post with 1 merit alone, but this is hardly the case, and several often reward more per post. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: seoincorporation on June 26, 2018, 11:16:51 PM Maybe the issue is not about the merit sources, but about the quality of the posters. Every time I have a smerit to send, I look for a good newbie, to try to encourage people making their best to continue this way. I always spend minimum half an hour, if I'm lucky and find someone, which not always occur.
Besides, one of the most confrontational parts of the merit system is that merits are given 1 by 1, the most of the time. I think this make truly difficult to rank-up, so I kind of understand how can a good poster get desperate, for example, ranking-up from member to full member is going to take a while, at least you are a genius (there are few in this forum by the way). So the actual formula works: - Low content, merit sources with no one to reward. - Low merit retribution, 1 by 1, good members will find the ranking system hard. To the OP, just consider that to be a merit source, as has been told, means recognition and trust, not economical or personal interest. Even if it sounds unbelievable, there are people in here concern about the forum and with the goal of making it a better place for everyone instead of just gaining economical rewards. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: xtraelv on June 26, 2018, 11:24:01 PM I vote for public beheadings for delinquent merit sources. Best suggestion in the whole thread ! Merit doesn't need to be propagated fast. I don't think it is hard to earn.
* shows minimum time in months required to rank up. ** shows minimum average merit required per month to rank up in minimum time How is forum activity calculated? Activity is calculated with the following formula: Code: activity = min(time * 14, posts) Activity is increased by staying logged in or by posting and is updated every 30 minutes. There is a maximum of 14 activity points every 2 weeks. I don't see 35 merits a month hard to achieve if you put some effort in your posts. I also don't see it affecting anyone negatively. Someone like myself could have easily ranked up already by simply being active if I had wanted to prior to the introduction of the merit system. Unless someone has exceptional crypto skills - someone that is 28 - 37 months on this forum is not in the same league as someone who has been on here since 2010. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: Quickseller on June 27, 2018, 03:14:20 AM It looks like, in general, users need to earn an average of 1 merit per day to rank up past being a "member" starting from when they create their account.
On its face, this does not sound very difficult, however there may be fairly extended periods in which users are not very active (eg, they make <1 post per day). Being 6 months into the Merit system, how many users have received at least 180 merit? What about 90 merit? I don't think there are many, and merit was being given more freely when it was first implemented as everyone had a lot of sMerit to give away. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: xtraelv on June 27, 2018, 03:51:22 AM It looks like, in general, users need to earn an average of 1 merit per day to rank up past being a "member" starting from when they create their account. On its face, this does not sound very difficult, however there may be fairly extended periods in which users are not very active (eg, they make <1 post per day). Being 6 months into the Merit system, how many users have received at least 180 merit? What about 90 merit? I don't think there are many, and merit was being given more freely when it was first implemented as everyone had a lot of sMerit to give away. A single good post continues to accumulate merit. Take Legendary profiles of bitcointalk. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3247239.msg33812440#msg33812440) from Ariem (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=978945) for example. He doesn't have a lot of posts but this single post from April (and his Russian translated version) continue to deservingly gain merits over time. While created in April it keeps on getting more merit. It isn't overly complex and English is his second language. It would have just taken a bit of time and research. Maintaining a single or a couple of good post with updates and improvements is all it would take to get to Sr.Member. I look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol daily and have yet to find a merit-able post there. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: DdmrDdmr on June 27, 2018, 05:40:48 AM Being 6 months into the Merit system, how many users have received at least 180 merit? What about 90 merit? I don't think there are many, and merit was being given more freely when it was first implemented as everyone had a lot of sMerit to give away. Breaking the accumulated Merit per user into groups of 30, the distribution is as follows (forum members who have received at least 1 sMerit): Code: group from to nUsers % Users That is, 93,33% have between awarded between 1 and 29 sMerits since the Merit System kick-off, 3,64% between 30 and 59, 1,15% between 60 and 89 and only 1,88% are in the range of having received 90 sMerits or above... Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: LoyceV on June 27, 2018, 05:51:18 AM Being 6 months into the Merit system, how many users have received at least 180 merit? What about 90 merit? I made a list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3078328.msg40648289#msg40648289), updated weekly.Last Friday, 100 users had received at least 180 Merit, and 316 users had received 90 Merit. Code: 1. 2194 Merit received by theymos (#35) from 463 unique users in 667 transactions I look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol daily and have yet to find a merit-able post there. I gave up on that, whenever I did, I found someone to be banned long before I saw a good post.Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: Theb on June 27, 2018, 06:13:58 AM How can it be considered as conflict of interest? The way I see it is members receiving merits from merit sources are being grateful from the merits they have received therefore they are giving merits as a way of showing gratitude. The more merits they are receiving means the more merits they can sent back again. This is merit trading. This is the conflict I was talking about.. it's positive only to who is involved in this trade... But this is not happening. At least I have never seen it. And merit sources have more smerits than good posts to merit. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: Quickseller on June 27, 2018, 06:40:25 AM That is, 93,33% have between awarded between 1 and 29 sMerits since the Merit System kick-off, 3,64% between 30 and 59, 1,15% between 60 and 89 and only 1,88% are in the range of having received 90 sMerits or above... I made a list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3078328.msg40648289#msg40648289), updated weekly. Last Friday, 100 users had received at least 180 Merit, and 316 users had received 90 Merit. Thanks for this. It looks like roughly 0.6% of users (who have received merit) are receiving sufficient merit to rank up in a timely fashion, and an additional 1.28% of users are accumulating sufficient merit to rank up at half the rate that activity would previously allow. This doesn't account for the thousands of people who have received zero merit. A good number of members who have received a lot of merit do not need any merit to rank up. According to Vod's BPIP, there are over a million active accounts, although I am not sure how many of them are spam accounts that have been banned. But by any reasonable measure, well under 1% of active accounts have received any merit at all. I am not sure if this is a accurate representation of the percentage of users who have sufficient post quality to be deserving merit. Maybe if theymos were to run a report of the number of users who meet all of the below criteria, we could compare that number to how many users have received merit:
Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: LoyceV on June 27, 2018, 08:29:49 AM I am not sure if this is a accurate representation of the percentage of users who have sufficient post quality to be deserving merit. Maybe if theymos were to run a report of the number of users who meet all of the below criteria, we could compare that number to how many users have received merit: I think it's safe to assume users who didn't receive any merit at all don't deserve to rank up. In other words: I think it's very unlikely anybody with many good post quality would have received at least one Merit by now. That means you can ignore all others for this analysis.
For the rest: Let me take a random number between 500 and 1000: random.org gives 631. This is number 631 (http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/all_users_who_earned_Merit_2018-06-22_Fri_08.17h.txt): Code: 631. 50 Merit received by mthcl (#168348) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions Most of his posts are in Russian, so I can't read them, and he's only made one post this year. Let's do this again: random.org gives 873: Code: 873. 37 Merit received by pvk444 (#923699) from 14 unique users in 15 transactions Feel free to analyse a few more, but my guess is you'll find a lot of Merit abuse, and not many posters who should have been able to rank up by now. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: DdmrDdmr on June 27, 2018, 08:42:20 AM <...> Just to backup your argument with data, the number of sMerits awarded per TX during the current month of June (01/06/2018 .. 22/06/2018) is as follows:Besides, one of the most confrontational parts of the merit system is that merits are given 1 by 1, the most of the time. I think this make truly difficult to rank-up, so I kind of understand how can a good poster get desperate, for example, ranking-up from member to full member is going to take a while, at least you are a genius (there are few in this forum by the way). <...> Code: Merit NumTX % So 68,30% of awarding involves 1 sMerit, an additional 15,55% involves 2 sMerits, and 16,15% of TXs involve 3 or more sMerits. Contrary to what I believed, these proportions are roughly the same whether we focus on this current month, or we consider the whole history of transactions from January 2018 onwards. The question is perhaps not only the number of merits per TXs, but the number of times a post actualy gets merited (number of different meriters). The overall distribution is as follows: Code: nTXs nPosts % 81,43% of posts have been merited only by one person, another 11,40% by two people, and so on. Maybe there is a kind of "the post has already been merited before/got enough merits" hand brake that works behind our awarding habits. EDIT: Added the above to the Merit Dashboard (Post Summary Tab), although still needs a bit of tweaking . Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: mdayonliner on June 27, 2018, 12:57:22 PM I made a list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3078328.msg40648289#msg40648289), updated weekly. I am very happy with this :DLast Friday, 100 users had received at least 180 Merit, and 316 users had received 90 Merit. Code: 137. 150 Merit received by mdayonliner (#1432468) from 64 unique users in 94 transactions Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: KianSantang96 on June 27, 2018, 01:57:00 PM Given that there are reports that the current actual number of merits given in the past months did not meet the expected merits for circulation, please let me propose an idea. Give an incentive to the Merit Sources for them to be proactive in achieving their quota. This will serve as a positive reinforcement to the Merit Sources to encourage them to attain the quota of number of merits for circulation for the month (or for a given period). An incentive can be a form of payment (bitcoin?), special privilege (additional feature on their profile?), or anything that is beneficial to them. What do you think? some of them will only misuse merit source only to get incentive only Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: TheUltraElite on June 27, 2018, 03:16:43 PM I think your idea is good, it will encourage merit circulation increasing to reward the good post in high quality classification. The idea is bad and is evident by the discussion and points raised by other people here. Do you even read the replies before you post (or shitpost)?Quote But that should be specify the privilege since as merit source also is the privilege for them. Stop coming to this forum to shitpost to get paid or trying to asslick others in "failed" attempt the beg for merits. It makes you look like a dumb baboon who says "Great project sir" to every ANN and says good to everything they see nodding their heads in unison.GTFO this forum and find a new home. some of them will only misuse merit source only to get incentive only Being a merit source is itself and incentive - like a new role in shaping the forum. In my opinion no other incentive is needed and hence if there is no so-called "monetary" incentive, how will misuse happen?Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: suchmoon on June 27, 2018, 03:54:39 PM GTFO this forum and find a new home. Just report them to mods... don't waste time replying, they will never come back to read or respond. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: Quickseller on June 28, 2018, 05:32:49 AM I am not sure if this is a accurate representation of the percentage of users who have sufficient post quality to be deserving merit. Maybe if theymos were to run a report of the number of users who meet all of the below criteria, we could compare that number to how many users have received merit: I think it's safe to assume users who didn't receive any merit at all don't deserve to rank up. In other words: I think it's very unlikely anybody with many good post quality would have received at least one Merit by now. That means you can ignore all others for this analysis.
For the rest: Let me take a random number between 500 and 1000: random.org gives 631. This is number 631 (http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/all_users_who_earned_Merit_2018-06-22_Fri_08.17h.txt): Code: 631. 50 Merit received by mthcl (#168348) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions Most of his posts are in Russian, so I can't read them, and he's only made one post this year. Let's do this again: random.org gives 873: Code: 873. 37 Merit received by pvk444 (#923699) from 14 unique users in 15 transactions Feel free to analyse a few more, but my guess is you'll find a lot of Merit abuse, and not many posters who should have been able to rank up by now. I am not sure if everyone who "deserves" merit has received at least one merit or not. I know we have a problem with people making shit posts, and spamming the forum, however I somewhat find it hard to believe this problem is so bad that less than 1/50th of 1% of active users are deserving merit. If the problem really is so bad that >99.8% of active users do not deserve merit, then frankly, the solution is to get rid of signatures. Title: Re: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? Post by: LoyceV on June 28, 2018, 06:06:15 AM I am not sure if everyone who "deserves" merit has received at least one merit or not. Me neither, that's why I said they won't have enough to rank up (10+).Quote I know we have a problem with people making shit posts, and spamming the forum, however I somewhat find it hard to believe this problem is so bad that less than 1/50th of 1% of active users are deserving merit. Take a look at unread posts since last visit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=unread) (without boards on your ignore list), and check the last few posts. Chances are they're all bounty/altcoin-spammers. It won't be 99%, but I expect the large majority of accounts is only spamming.Each week, hundreds of users receive their first Merit. Quote If the problem really is so bad that >99.8% of active users do not deserve merit, then frankly, the solution is to get rid of signatures. That's unlikely to happen:The things on the forum which encourage spam are allowed mainly because it's part of the forum's mission to be as free as possible. Eg. banning bounties would undoubtedly reduce spam, but that'd be destroying an entire economy/population/culture which has been able to develop due to the forum's freedom. I am willing to take this sort of action, but only as an absolute last resort. It's always preferable to handle these problems by reshaping the environment to make them non-problems, rather than removing some freedom. |