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1. Purposely raise the price of BTC, attract traders come to Mt.gox and deposit BTC. Market situation: Sell >> buy;
2. Block cash withdrawing, most of traders found it's not easy to get out money even they can sell BTC with higher price.;
3. Some of traders will buy back BTC, sell == buy, price was going stable and higher than other exchange markets;
4. Mt.gox sold customer's 40,000 BTC, and block withdrawing BTC;
5. The price of BTC dropped accordingly
6. Mt.gox to open cash withdrawing and continue to block BTC withdrawing, traders will trend to sell BTC by lower price and get cash back;
7. Mt.gox will buy back 40,000 BTC to balance account

It's not surprised to see announcement tomorrow: BTC withdrawing will continue stopped but cash withdrawing will be quickly and smoothly

Thats a smart move on mt gox's behalf BUT hell unethical.

So did you sign up just to spread FUD?

looks like true

You might be right. I take back my FUD accusation lol.

xjpoper must be a whistleblower.

i didnt notice this thread but wow for see the issue so clear!

Next time u know not to blame the messenger.. they are forcing price down,.. but only on mtgox any other exchange provides a buying opportunity since they are unaffected.. 40k btc already sold now they need to buy 40k btc at lower prices.. now mtgox price shouldnt be correlated with the market anymore.. until they open btc withdrawls again.

Can backfire if changes are pushed and they dont get a chance to buy lower. But maybe they already did via btce and if true we see price staying stable or rising as mtgox becomes a bidder.

withdraws are open.
So MtGox  back to "normal"

Now we must just wait for settle the whole mess.

Yes, right

Really? I can't see how they sorted that out so quick, and if they did, it's very suspcious.

For mtgox back to "normal" means back like they were before , a total mess.

There are many people claiming that this is just one major GoxHoax , and I do support some of the accusations , thinking back on how Gox manage to do things.
I start to believe this is no FUD.

What do you mean by hoax? I think it was a non-issue and their attempt to shift the blame from them and buy them some time.

Normal ie not really fully functional. Normal for them is not being able to get money out and ages to get in.

Yeah , that's why is a hoax.
The issue was never really there. They just did one hell of a market manipulation to get some money in order to cover some possible incoming expenses like.... lawyers ,or trip to unknown sunny country.
And to blame somebody else for "losing" bitcoins. Like tradefortress.

Where did they sell? At bitstamp? Or bitsample?

this is ass talk :)
All this is a kind of bullshit.

But it makes me laugh, so it is cool :P

I'm sure they'll continue to operate exactly as before. People need to learn from this and get their money and coins out ASAP and take their custom elsewhere.


At the time it wasn’t a message, but looked just like speculative FUD with no evidence, so you can't blame people for thinking that.

Good luck hoping for that. People tend to not learn form the first mistake , and when being lured by high prices they seem to forget everything.
They don't need just to be burned but also grilled , deep fried and iced before they learn a lesson and not use gox again

You seem to attribute a lot to cleverness.

Hanlon's razor:

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.


It will be interesting to see how many will stay with MtGox now...

I think people only 'stayed' with them by choice as their money was stuck there.

... and how did they do this, exactly? They could try to buy BTC with their own cash reserves (which I'm not sure they had enough cash to do), or they could adjust everybody's buy/sell orders up a bit, but someone would notice and call attention to it, and I haven't seen *that* happen, either. So, explain to me how they can magically cause BTC sellers to have more cash in their pockets after selling at MtGox.

Keep in mind that what you're describing is the same as when countries try to enforce a certain exchange rate for their currency versus another country's currency. In just about every case, it fails. The central bank just isn't big enough to outweigh the whims of the rest of the market.

Where's the record of this sale in the blockchain? How do you know it's 40,000 BTC? Where's the evidence that they've sold any depositors' BTC or that 40,000 BTC was what they had to sell?

I'm not sure Karpeles is insane enough to gamble like that with depositors' assets. Keep in mind that BTC is a preferred currency for those who don't care much for laws (Silk Road, anybody), and, in this age of the internet, it's getting increasing difficult to hide from people who want to track you down. Surely, Karpeles woud know that, if he went down that road (of gambling with other people's money), it would end with him bleeding out in a dark alley somewhere.

Like I said... I can't imagine that he's that crazy.

they don't need to have cash reserve to buy your coins, and the same applies that they don't need to have btc reserve to sell you btc. that's the grand magic and beauty of running an exchange where you can play around 'fractional reserve' trick, so long as you could estimate the relative inflow/outflow of fiat and btc into the system, you can very easily manipulate the system, because you as an Exchange have all the information regarding your actual clients fiat/btc balance. All the trades can be manipulated (give you an example, assuming I am the Exchange, I don't have any dollar but I create a buy order to purchase 1BTC from you for $700, I credit that $700 into your account, so long as you don't withdraw that dollar balance, you will not notice that I don't have the fund and the trade is actually fake) . But often times, it fails to work because your estimate may deviate when some unexpected inflow/outflow cause systematic  imbalance, hence lead to "bank run" and screw up your scheme, i believe this is what happening now at Gox.  

Your post does make a lot of points , since there is no actual evidence on part of the op.
But , if you're questioning the sanity or should I say the insanity of the guy running the magical tux , well, .....

Another thread with a lot of asstalk :-)

It seems like many of members don t realy like bitcoins.

It's step 6 & 7 now,

"the MtGox team has been working hard to address an issue with the way that bitcoin withdrawals are processed. By "bitcoin withdrawal" we are referring to transactions from a MtGox bitcoin wallet to an external bitcoin address. Bitcoin transactions to any MtGox bitcoin address, and currency withdrawals (Yen, Euro, etc) are not affected by this issue"

Yeah look how many still order from... sorry Pre-order from Butterfly Labs...