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Title: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: 2double0 on February 09, 2014, 03:57:08 PM
Why did Satoshi disappear completely? He could have stayed on the forums and could reply to our questions on bitcoin.

He should just return. Please. Thank you.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: thetruth on February 09, 2014, 04:08:18 PM
Satoshi Nakamoto

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Satoshi is a male, Japanese name, whose meaning is variously given as "wise", "clear-thinking", "quick-witted"[7][8] or "intelligent history", i.e. a person with intelligent ancestors.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Nakamoto

Adam Weishaupt
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Adam means "the first man", "Weis" means "to know" and "haupt" means "leader", which makes Adam Weishaupts name mean "the first man to lead those who know".
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_illuminati_0a.htm

Wake Up!
You have been scammed.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: 2double0 on February 09, 2014, 04:14:11 PM
Satoshi Nakamoto

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Satoshi is a male, Japanese name, whose meaning is variously given as "wise", "clear-thinking", "quick-witted"[7][8] or "intelligent history", i.e. a person with intelligent ancestors.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Nakamoto

Adam Weishaupt
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Adam means "the first man", "Weis" means "to know" and "haupt" means "leader", which makes Adam Weishaupts name mean "the first man to lead those who know".
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_illuminati_0a.htm

Wake Up!
You have been scammed.

Ookkkayyyy,

Anyone one else want to reply in a normal way?


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: BTCisthefuture on February 09, 2014, 04:39:33 PM
Why did Satoshi disappear completely? He could have stayed on the forums and could reply to our questions on bitcoin.

He should just return. Please. Thank you.

Or he/they could have chose to walk away and chose that bitcoin doesn't have a leading figure for governments/media/critics to constantly go after and look for character flaws.

I prefer this approach,  let bitcoin be bitcoin and grow and reach it's full potential.  Bitcoin is about bitcoin, not about who started it.

I'm sure he/she/they are still very active in the community, they just don't have the ego to present themselve(s) as the creator of bitcoin.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: DanielVG on February 09, 2014, 04:43:44 PM
I think he realised it's in his best interest to stay in the shades.
If bitcoin gets a face, this face will eventually be sued.
He probably doesn't have any time to post on a forum anyway cause he's partying in the bahamas, laughing maniacally while he's throwing his dollars in the air.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: howzar on February 09, 2014, 04:54:03 PM
Yeh, I suppose it would be dangerous if he re-surfaced.

WHO THE HELL IS THIS GUY?!


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: ak84 on February 09, 2014, 05:48:18 PM
let the man rest in peace. He's only the founder of the cryptocurrency revolution. I fear for the day some idiot reveals his identity to the world and Satoshi is mugged and murdered.



Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: thetruth on February 09, 2014, 05:53:51 PM
What I'm saying is that "Satoshi Nakamoto" is nothing more than a smoke screen for the Secret Government's group that is responsible for the cashless society implementation for the one world government the Secret Societies around the world are working on.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Tr0w on February 09, 2014, 06:19:05 PM
@theTruth

Tell me.

Just how does a decentralized currency that cannot be controlled by a central authority serve the interests of of a centralized world government?

Bitcoin does pretty much the opposite of what any self respecting one-world totalitatrian government would want.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: DubFX on February 09, 2014, 06:21:26 PM
Oh i didn't know he was on these forums, did he?


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: ak84 on February 09, 2014, 06:23:28 PM
Oh i didn't know he was on these forums, did he?

lol. he created these forums bro. and registered bitcoin.org


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Dalmar on February 09, 2014, 06:27:51 PM
@theTruth

Tell me.

Just how does a decentralized currency that cannot be controlled by a central authority serve the interests of of a centralized world government?

Bitcoin does pretty much the opposite of what any self respecting one-world totalitatrian government would want.

Back doors in the code, only top secret services know about and the average code monkey can never figure out.

Or

It is used as a pump and dump tool by big banks who are experimenting with cryptography based currencies.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: thetruth on February 09, 2014, 06:28:06 PM
Because their secret technology is 50-100 years ahead of any public perception of technology. They are no fools, they have the algorithms to decrypt any public cryptography cipher on which bitcoin is based. They also now have very powerful supercomputers so even if you manage to develop your own cipher they will crack it in seconds.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Taras on February 09, 2014, 06:40:31 PM
Because their secret technology is 50-100 years ahead of any public perception of technology. They are no fools, they have the algorithms to decrypt any public cryptography cipher on which bitcoin is based. They also now have very powerful supercomputers so even if you manage to develop your own cipher they will crack it in seconds.
Cracking a cipher isn't doable since the digest is smaller than the input, significantly. The only way to do it is by trying every possible keypair. There are 2^256 possible keypairs.
No the concern is still valid.

Not really.  Imagine you built a perfect computer; forget about GHash and Megaherts.  You built a computer which used the absolute minimum amount of energy theoretically possible to record a change in a single bit (1 to 0 or 0 to 1).  We are talking about the limits of thermodynamics; nothing more efficient is even possible.  Now imagine you used most of the natural resources in our star system to construct a dyson sphere and covered the entire surface of this sphere with a single star system sized super computer.  Now imagine you could keep this supercomputer cooled at roughly absolute zero and could do so without expending any additional energy.

If you had that and captured (with no inefficiency or loss) the entire energy output of our star (not just in a day or week but continually until it burned out) you couldn't COUNT to 2^256 before you ran out of energy.   Keep in mind this is simply counting.  Just counting, not hashing, not comparing, not performing lookups just counting 1 .. 2 .. 3 .. .... 2^256-1.

This program couldn't finish even using all the energy in our star system
Code:
Int256 i = 0;

while (i < Int256.Max)
{
    i++
}
Print("Congrats we counted to 2^256")


Or put another way:

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These numbers have nothing to do with the technology of the devices; they are the maximums that thermodynamics will allow. And they strongly imply that brute-force attacks against 256-bit keys will be infeasible until computers are built from something other than matter and occupy something other than space.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: DubFX on February 09, 2014, 06:43:05 PM
Oh i didn't know he was on these forums, did he?

lol. he created these forums bro. and registered bitcoin.org

Oh...i'm around bitcoin for 3+ years already but didn't know this.
Now i feel kinda stupid, thanks for info thought.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Taras on February 09, 2014, 06:45:38 PM
Oh i didn't know he was on these forums, did he?

lol. he created these forums bro. and registered bitcoin.org

Oh...i'm around bitcoin for 3+ years already but didn't know this.
Now i feel kinda stupid, thanks for info thought.
Don't feel stupid, it isn't too well known.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Taras on February 09, 2014, 06:48:29 PM
@theTruth

Tell me.

Just how does a decentralized currency that cannot be controlled by a central authority serve the interests of of a centralized world government?

Bitcoin does pretty much the opposite of what any self respecting one-world totalitatrian government would want.

Back doors in the code, only top secret services know about and the average code monkey can never figure out.

Or

It is used as a pump and dump tool by big banks who are experimenting with cryptography based currencies.
Bitcoin is open source. The code has been reviewed and even studied countless times.
Also, if banks would never want Bitcoin-like technology to exist. Ever.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: thetruth on February 09, 2014, 06:50:00 PM
You do not understand. For every mathematical operation there is a reverse operation. For every left side of the equation there is a right side. Just because you think there is no proof of the reverse operation doesn't mean that the enemy doesn't know it.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 09, 2014, 06:50:38 PM
Oh i didn't know he was on these forums, did he?

Here are all his posts (well IIRC there are a couple more in the mods & admin section mostly boring stuff like test messages and housekeeping).

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3

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Name:   satoshi
Posts:   575
Activity:   364
Position:   Founder
Date Registered:   November 19, 2009, 02:12:39 PM
Last Active:   December 13, 2010, 11:45:41 AM

and no his last post wasn't some inspiring speech, or a teary goodbye.  It was rather routine.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2228.msg29479#msg29479





Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: jongameson on February 09, 2014, 06:51:41 PM
You do not understand. For every mathematical operation there is a reverse operation. For every left side of the equation there is a right side. Just because you think there is no proof of the reverse operation doesn't mean that the enemy doesn't know it.

it's easy, just convert the divide signs to multiply.  and the same for addition ???


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Tr0w on February 09, 2014, 06:54:07 PM
@theTruth

Tell me.

Just how does a decentralized currency that cannot be controlled by a central authority serve the interests of of a centralized world government?

Bitcoin does pretty much the opposite of what any self respecting one-world totalitatrian government would want.

Back doors in the code, only top secret services know about and the average code monkey can never figure out.

Or

It is used as a pump and dump tool by big banks who are experimenting with cryptography based currencies.

So none of the people currently working on Bitcoin, and modifying it to create alt coins are bright enough to understand what the code does?
It seems to me, that if there are vulnerabilities or potential backdoors, the incentive would be huge for hackers and coders to find these vulnerabilities and exploit them. Why use keyloggers and viruses to rip a few coins off from users too lazy to secure their machines when there are known addresses with huge balances?


Pump and dump. Banks pump, dump and generally fuck up every damn thing they can exert influence over. The mortgage bubble, the current stock market, hell, pretty much the entire economy. So, yeah, they will mess with crypto too.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: lyth0s on February 09, 2014, 06:54:19 PM
The Banksters Ultimate Dream - A Cashless Society, Starting With The
Military

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_globalbanking209.htm

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Why is a cashless society the holy grail of total tyrannical control for the Banksters?

Because once your entire financial banking life is under the dominion of these criminals in the form of a card or an implanted chip, you will never again be free. They are already tracking you, building a database about you and monitoring your every move.

But once cash transactions are done away with entirely, if the Banksters (or fascist government) don’t like your point of view or politics, they can just turn your chip off.

    “And no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast.”

Big Brother Surveillance Society
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/atlantean_conspiracy/atlantean_conspiracy03.htm

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The New World Order end goal is chipping every baby at birth and transferring global currency to a cashless credit-based system, managed via microchips.

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Shortly after 9/11 there was a whole family on “Good Morning America” who all got chipped. They interviewed with CFR member Diane Sawyer saying they were scared of the terrorists and felt safer with implanted identification devices. The government is now pushing legislation to chip animals, children, prisoners, and Alzheimer’s patients.

Andy Rooney even promoted the idea in a 60 Minutes editorial:

    “Something has to change, though. They have to find a better way to identify the bad guys, or the rest of us are going to stay home and watch the world go by on television. But we need some system for permanently identifying safe people. Most of us are never going to blow anything up. And there’s got to be something better than one of these photo IDs— a tattoo somewhere maybe.

    The Saudis use an American device to scan the eyes of travelers. I wouldn’t mind having something planted permanently in my arm that would identify me. If we don’t do something, people are going to stop flying. If they stop flying, and I don’t go to the Giants games, it means the bastards have won.”

    Andy Rooney (For more information regarding the frightening reality of microchips, read Katherine Albright’s “Spy Chips.”)

good thing bitcoins can't be turned off by deactivating a chip...


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: vpitcher07 on February 09, 2014, 06:55:31 PM
You do not understand. For every mathematical operation there is a reverse operation. For every left side of the equation there is a right side. Just because you think there is no proof of the reverse operation doesn't mean that the enemy doesn't know it.

That's not the point. The point is it's extremely difficult (pretty much impossible) to go backwards once you perform a hash function. Yes you can do the reverse but it might take you 2 million years...


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: cr1776 on February 09, 2014, 06:55:40 PM
Why did Satoshi disappear completely? He could have stayed on the forums and could reply to our questions on bitcoin.

He should just return. Please. Thank you.

He doesn't want to be a target like Julian Assange or Edward Snowden etc.  ;-)


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: thetruth on February 09, 2014, 07:00:54 PM
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It seems to me, that if there are vulnerabilities or potential backdoors, the incentive would be huge for hackers and coders to find these vulnerabilities and exploit them.
There is no backdoor in the official version of the program as far as I know. Only the Gestapo/NKVD will be allowed to fully access to your digital information. Little swindlers will not.

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good thing bitcoins can't be turned off by deactivating a chip...
It's only a matter of time. When the world accepts the cashless system you will be required to wear GPS/Cell tower trackable chip which will be always with you and always online connected to the supercomputer.



Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: thetruth on February 09, 2014, 07:07:59 PM
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That's not the point. The point is it's extremely difficult (pretty much impossible) to go backwards once you perform a hash function. Yes you can do the reverse but it might take you 2 million years...

Extremely difficult only for you. The enemy developed the cipher they know better. You are applying the wrong algorithm.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Tr0w on February 09, 2014, 07:19:12 PM
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It seems to me, that if there are vulnerabilities or potential backdoors, the incentive would be huge for hackers and coders to find these vulnerabilities and exploit them.
There is no backdoors in the official version of the program as far as I know. Only the Gestapo/NKVD will be allowed to fully access to your digital information. Little swindlers will not.

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good thing bitcoins can't be turned off by deactivating a chip...
It's only a matter of time. When the world accepts the cashless system you will be required to wear GPS/Cell tower trackable chip which will be always with you and always online connected to the supercomputer.




I think you place way too much faith in our adversary.

 The powers that be are dangerous and evil, but they are human, they screw up and they can be thwarted.
Case in point... the internet. They underestimated people. They thought we would just use it to look at porn and cat pictures while they could categorize us and identify subversives.

The problem was, people have a hell of a lot more to say than they ever imagined. We are using their own control grid to mess up their shit, and they are getting scared.

They are now looking for ways to reign it in, but they won't be able to. Not without mass revolt.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Abdussamad on February 09, 2014, 07:34:49 PM
He left because if he had stayed it would have turned into more of a personality cult than it is already.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: thetruth on February 09, 2014, 07:46:02 PM
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We are using their own control grid to mess up their shit, and they are getting scared.

No, we are not messing up anything, we are playing in the sandbox. The reason they created the Internet was to put all communications at one place for the purpose of achieving perfect surveillance. (it fulfills part of the Cummunist Manifesto - Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State http://web.archive.org/web/19990221045304/http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/com-man.html)

Look at "Interception Capabilities 2000" http://www.cyber-rights.org/interception/stoa/ic2kreport.htm
e.g.
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It follows that foreign Internet traffic of communications intelligence interest - consisting of e-mail, file transfers, "virtual private networks" operated over the internet, and some other messages - will form at best a few per cent of the traffic on most US Internet exchanges or backbone links. According to a former employee, NSA had by 1995 installed "sniffer" software to collect such traffic at nine major Internet exchange points (IXPs).(37) The first two such sites identified, FIX East and FIX West, are operated by US government agencies. They are closely linked to nearby commercial locations, MAE East and MAE West (see table). Three other sites listed were Network Access Points originally developed by the US National Science Foundation to provide the US Internet with its initial "backbone".


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: MicroGuy on February 09, 2014, 07:55:10 PM
Why did Satoshi disappear completely? He could have stayed on the forums and could reply to our questions on bitcoin.

He should just return. Please. Thank you.

Satoshi was experiencing life threatening time-travel ailments that forced him to return to the future earlier than planned.  


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: NickPortland on February 09, 2014, 08:03:13 PM
Why did Satoshi disappear completely? He could have stayed on the forums and could reply to our questions on bitcoin.

He should just return. Please. Thank you.

Satoshi was experiencing life threatening time-travel ailments that forced him to return to the future earlier than planned.  

Residual Temporal Drag Syndrome?


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Tr0w on February 09, 2014, 08:06:13 PM
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We are using their own control grid to mess up their shit, and they are getting scared.

No, we are not messing up anything, we are playing in the sandbox. The reason they created the Internet was to put all communications at one place for the purpose of achieving perfect surveillance. (it fulfills part of the Cummunist Manifesto - Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State)
Look at "Interception Capabilities 2000" http://www.cyber-rights.org/interception/stoa/ic2kreport.htm
e.g.
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It follows that foreign Internet traffic of communications intelligence interest - consisting of e-mail, file transfers, "virtual private networks" operated over the internet, and some other messages - will form at best a few per cent of the traffic on most US Internet exchanges or backbone links. According to a former employee, NSA had by 1995 installed "sniffer" software to collect such traffic at nine major Internet exchange points (IXPs).(37) The first two such sites identified, FIX East and FIX West, are operated by US government agencies. They are closely linked to nearby commercial locations, MAE East and MAE West (see table). Three other sites listed were Network Access Points originally developed by the US National Science Foundation to provide the US Internet with its initial "backbone".

 Yes, they have a comprehensive surveillance grid. What I'm pointing out is that it is turning out to be a two way street. There have been MANY instances where it has come back to bite them in the ass and will continue to do so.
Benghazi, Syria, Boston... All examples where the system was forced to backpedal in the face of public outcry and criticism.

Of course we are not out of the woods! But there are rays of hope, and it is not a foregone conclusion that the system is gonna win.

If you want to wallow in defeatism, fine. Maybe you should unplug all your electronics and go hide under your bed.

Me, I'm going to use every tool at my disposal to try to win whatever freedom I can.

Even if those tools are not perfect.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: thetruth on February 09, 2014, 08:12:37 PM
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If you want to wallow in defeatism, fine.

No, I'm not. What I proposed I already expressed:

1. Alternative Internet (could be decentralized WiFi router based).
2. New system of encryption of messages over the network - private cryptography where the ciphers are unknown to the Secret Government.
3. Arms. You better get yourself a gun in the world that's coming.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: russokai on February 09, 2014, 08:17:24 PM
Why did Satoshi disappear completely? He could have stayed on the forums and could reply to our questions on bitcoin.

He should just return. Please. Thank you.

He probably has better things to do with his time than answer dumb questions from noobs.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Taras on February 09, 2014, 08:44:41 PM
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That's not the point. The point is it's extremely difficult (pretty much impossible) to go backwards once you perform a hash function. Yes you can do the reverse but it might take you 2 million years...

Extremely difficult only for you. The enemy developed the cipher they know better. You are applying the wrong algorithm.
Okay. It's possible to turn a 64 character digest into a five paragraph book report. You win. Bitcoin is evil. Now go to the pgp forum and tell everyone that they are not safe. After that go to the minecraft forum because notch is now a servant of the devil. Also, the five dollar bills in your wallet have cameras too small to be seen by an electron microscope that watch you constantly.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: BADecker on February 09, 2014, 08:51:29 PM
The Satoshi group isn't gone. They just aren't using that identity anymore. They are still around trying to advance encryption so that even the NSA can't hack it. Obviously, they need to be very careful (timid) in this whole thing.

:)


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: thetruth on February 09, 2014, 08:54:56 PM
I know they are present. Why do they hide like cockroaches?


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: revjp on February 09, 2014, 08:55:25 PM
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Also, the five dollar bills in your wallet have cameras too small to be seen by an electron microscope that watch you constantly.

They aren't small, you're just applying the wrong algorithm.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 09, 2014, 08:56:09 PM
2. New system of encryption of messages over the network - private cryptography where the ciphers are unknown to the Secret Government.

Strong cryptography doesn't rely on the cipher being unknown.  That is security through obscurity and results in poor security.  History is littered with examples, WEP, CSS, AACS, A5/1, A5/3, etc.

Strong cryptography involves making the cipher public knowledge.  "Here is how the lock works, but you still can't unlock it without the key."


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: thetruth on February 09, 2014, 09:07:55 PM
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"Here is how the lock works, but you still can't unlock it without the key."

I know what public-key encryption scheme is. What I'm telling is that those who created the chipher in the first place have the reverse algorithm that doesn't require the private key to decrypt the message.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: vpitcher07 on February 09, 2014, 09:08:16 PM
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That's not the point. The point is it's extremely difficult (pretty much impossible) to go backwards once you perform a hash function. Yes you can do the reverse but it might take you 2 million years...

Extremely difficult only for you. The enemy developed the cipher they know better. You are applying the wrong algorithm.

You think that after SHA 256 being public for how long that not a single person on the planet has been able to figure out some secret cipher? That's VERY unlikely... It's ok to wear a tin foil hat buddy, but you're really pushing it on this one..


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: thetruth on February 09, 2014, 09:14:05 PM
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You think that after SHA 256 being public for how long that not a single person on the planet has been able to figure out some secret cipher? That's VERY unlikely....

It's been eternity before the man invented the wheel. Don't you find strage the fact that the ants to this day haven't done it yet?


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: BADecker on February 09, 2014, 09:15:00 PM
I know they are present. Why do they hide like cockroaches?

It is accepted that cockroaches have been around for at least hundreds of thousands of years in basically their present form. Are you calling Satoshi a cockroach?

:)


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 09, 2014, 09:16:45 PM
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"Here is how the lock works, but you still can't unlock it without the key."

What I'm telling is that those who created the chipher in the first place have the reverse algorithm that doesn't require the private key to decrypt the message.
So the the guy who created it was smarter than the entire rest of the planet combined.  As so smart that despite SHA-2 being the single most researched cipher by researchers and academics all over the world nobody else on the planet has discovered this "weakness" in more than a decade?  Furthermore nobody has stolen, or leaked to the public this weakness either?

Highly unlikely but one can never prove it isn't true.

Still while we may not be able to prove it isn't true, you have no way of knowing it is, so claiming you know they know is just bullshit right?


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Phrenico on February 09, 2014, 09:19:29 PM
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"Here is how the lock works, but you still can't unlock it without the key."

I know what public-key encryption scheme is. What I'm telling is that those who created the chipher in the first place have the reverse algorithm that doesn't require the private key to decrypt the message.

Give me an example of the type of evidence that it would take for you to change your mind.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: BADecker on February 09, 2014, 09:23:50 PM
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You think that after SHA 256 being public for how long that not a single person on the planet has been able to figure out some secret cipher? That's VERY unlikely....

It's been eternity before the man invented the wheel. Don't you find strage the fact that the ants to this day haven't done it yet?

This is good, the ants, I mean. It reminds us that a thousand years ago, people had all the raw materials and the manual dexterity to invent and use the electric motor. Yet they didn't. Why not? Because they SIMPLY  DIDN'T  THINK  ALONG  THOSE  LINES !

Now we have been given Bitcoin, by a few thinkers who thought along slightly different lines in slightly different ways.

Forget the less important thing about Bitcoin... the money part. Rather, let's all turn our minds to the KIND of innovation that Bitcoin reveals. If we apply this new kind of innovating, we just might be able to free ourselves from all oppression, including that of having to pay taxes just to trade our labor and skill for food, clothing and shelter. This is the example that Bitcoin shows us.

:)


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: DubFX on February 09, 2014, 09:25:12 PM
I know they are present. Why do they hide like cockroaches?

It is accepted that cockroaches have been around for at least hundreds of thousands of years in basically their present form. Are you calling Satoshi a cockroach?

:)
You can't just come here and ask someone if they think bitcoin creator is a cockroach.  ;D


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: thetruth on February 09, 2014, 09:25:44 PM
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Furthermore nobody has stolen, or leaked to the public this weakness either?

The real power is knowledge. They have developed secret science.
You know some few thousand years ago the theorem of Pythagoras was unknown to the general public. Yet it was used by ancient secret societies. It was secret science then.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: BADecker on February 09, 2014, 09:28:00 PM
I know they are present. Why do they hide like cockroaches?

It is accepted that cockroaches have been around for at least hundreds of thousands of years in basically their present form. Are you calling Satoshi a cockroach?

:)
You can't just come here and ask someone if they think bitcoin creator is a cockroach.  ;D

Well why not! After all, even though Bitcoin is open source, it is still hidden to 99% of the people who don't have a clue about programming and couldn't care less, as long as it works.

:)


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: krampus on February 09, 2014, 09:28:43 PM
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Furthermore nobody has stolen, or leaked to the public this weakness either?

The real power is knowledge. They have developed secret science.
You know some few thousand years ago the theorem of Pythagoras was unknown to the general public. Yet it was used by ancient secret societies. It was secret science then.

Present some proof or shut the fuck up.

And you need to stop going off your meds.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: DubFX on February 09, 2014, 09:30:19 PM
I know they are present. Why do they hide like cockroaches?

It is accepted that cockroaches have been around for at least hundreds of thousands of years in basically their present form. Are you calling Satoshi a cockroach?

:)
You can't just come here and ask someone if they think bitcoin creator is a cockroach.  ;D

Well why not! After all, even though Bitcoin is open source, it is still hidden to 99% of the people who don't have a clue about programming and couldn't care less, as long as it works.

:)
It had to sound funny  :-\


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: BADecker on February 09, 2014, 09:32:26 PM
I know they are present. Why do they hide like cockroaches?

It is accepted that cockroaches have been around for at least hundreds of thousands of years in basically their present form. Are you calling Satoshi a cockroach?

:)
You can't just come here and ask someone if they think bitcoin creator is a cockroach.  ;D

Well why not! After all, even though Bitcoin is open source, it is still hidden to 99% of the people who don't have a clue about programming and couldn't care less, as long as it works.

:)
It had to sound funny  :-\

It did. Just playing along.

 ;D


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: vpitcher07 on February 09, 2014, 09:41:31 PM
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You think that after SHA 256 being public for how long that not a single person on the planet has been able to figure out some secret cipher? That's VERY unlikely....

It's been eternity before the man invented the wheel. Don't you find strage the fact that the ants to this day haven't done it yet?

Yup....


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Tr0w on February 09, 2014, 10:24:02 PM
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If you want to wallow in defeatism, fine.

No, I'm not. What I proposed I already expressed:

1. Alternative Internet (could be decentralized WiFi router based).
2. New system of encryption of messages over the network - private cryptography where the ciphers are unknown to the Secret Government.
3. Arms. You better get yourself a gun in the world that's coming.

Great to hear! All those all ideas are something I can support.
I think we cripple ourselves by presuming that the enemy has every advantage and therefore anything we don't fully understand must be a part of the NSA's sinister plan to enslave humanity. 




Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: thetruth on February 09, 2014, 10:30:32 PM
(Deletion of this post would mean that Satoshi is afraid of public inquiry)
They also put deliberate disinformation to confuse the public about cryptography. For example:

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In cryptography, the one-time pad (OTP) is a type of encryption that is impossible to crack if used correctly.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad

But the truth goes like this...

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The OTP

The OTP or one time pad is commonly held up as the one example of an unbreakable cipher. Yet NSA has clearly described breaking the VENONA cipher, which used an OTP, during the Cold War. It is argued that VENONA was "poorly used," but if a user has no way to guarantee a cipher being "well used," there is no reason for a user to consider an OTP strong at all.

It does seem convenient for NSA that a potentially breakable cipher continues to be described by crypto authorities as absolutely "unbreakable."
www.ciphersbyritter.com/GLOSSARY.HTM#NSA

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At least two professional, fielded systems which include OTP ciphering have been broken in practice by the NSA. The most famous is VENONA, which has its own pages at http://www.nsa.gov/docs/venona/. VENONA traffic occurred between the Russian KGB or GRU and their agents in the United States from 1939 to 1946. A different OTP system break apparently was described in: "The American Solution of a German One-Time-Pad Cryptographic System," Cryptologia XXIV(4): 324-332. These were real, life-and-death OTP systems, and one consequence of the security failure caused by VENONA was the death by execution of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. Stronger testimony can scarcely exist about the potential weakness of OTP systems. And these two systems are just the ones NSA has told us about.
www.ciphersbyritter.com/GLOSSARY.HTM#OneTimePad


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: roslinpl on February 09, 2014, 10:33:07 PM
Why did Satoshi disappear completely? He could have stayed on the forums and could reply to our questions on bitcoin.

He should just return. Please. Thank you.

Or he/they could have chose to walk away and chose that bitcoin doesn't have a leading figure for governments/media/critics to constantly go after and look for character flaws.

I prefer this approach,  let bitcoin be bitcoin and grow and reach it's full potential.  Bitcoin is about bitcoin, not about who started it.

I'm sure he/she/they are still very active in the community, they just don't have the ego to present themselve(s) as the creator of bitcoin.

Sure they are. Their baby is not yet ready to grow without parents..


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: thetruth on February 09, 2014, 10:47:43 PM
Several my posts connecting Satoshi group to the CFR and cashless society implementation were censored, so apparently I'm not welcome here. I know the truth hurts. But sometimes this is necessary evil to evade problems in the future.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Akesson on February 09, 2014, 11:01:56 PM
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If you want to wallow in defeatism, fine.

No, I'm not. What I proposed I already expressed:

1. Alternative Internet (could be decentralized WiFi router based).
2. New system of encryption of messages over the network - private cryptography where the ciphers are unknown to the Secret Government.
3. Arms. You better get yourself a gun in the world that's coming.

Great to hear! All those all ideas are something I can support.
I think we cripple ourselves by presuming that the enemy has every advantage and therefore anything we don't fully understand must be a part of the NSA's sinister plan to enslave humanity. 



But that WiFi router is not safe.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: pepto on February 09, 2014, 11:19:08 PM
Why did Satoshi disappear completely? He could have stayed on the forums and could reply to our questions on bitcoin.

He should just return. Please. Thank you.

Prolly cause he was never here :D


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: revjp on February 09, 2014, 11:22:57 PM
(Deletion of this post would mean that Satoshi is afraid of public inquiry)
They also put deliberate disinformation to confuse the public about cryptography. For example:

If the mods had any sense of humor they would delete this post.



Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Lauda on February 09, 2014, 11:23:03 PM
Several my posts connecting Satoshi group to the CFR and cashless society implementation were censored, so apparently I'm not welcome here. I know the truth hurts. But sometimes this is necessary evil to evade problems in the future.
You can't really prove any of this. I could be Satoshi, the poster above or under could be Satoshi. I could be part of the NSA, FBI, you never know..


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: thetruth on February 09, 2014, 11:33:57 PM
It's already has been proven. The link between CFR and the Bitcoin's creator Satoshi Nakamoto exists.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Lauda on February 09, 2014, 11:38:09 PM
It's already has been proven. The link between CFR and the Bitcoin's creator Satoshi Nakamoto exists.
The link between NSA and me exists, so I'm the NSA.
Provide information, with links now.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: thetruth on February 09, 2014, 11:54:14 PM
The event that confirmed the link already happened.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: BitChick on February 10, 2014, 12:18:57 AM
Why did Satoshi disappear completely? He could have stayed on the forums and could reply to our questions on bitcoin.

He should just return. Please. Thank you.

The trolls on the forum caused him to disappear.  He just could not take it anymore.  He probably hung his head in shame and said, "Why did I ever create Bitcoin?!"   ;D



Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: 2bfree on February 10, 2014, 03:06:55 AM
You know why satorshi left? I'll tell you why.

Imagine the most perfect human. One that tells the truth is humble never steals saves millions of people save the world just holy as holy can be. Most people wuld rip him apart, government would audit him, nitpickers would find laws he broke, assholes would sue him etc..

And satoshi is normal man not a holy person like the example I gave. If I was satoshi I would not get into the light to get the freedom hating nitpicking pricks pick on me why in the world would i?

So good for you Satoshi and those keep trying to find out who he is #@#%@% #@#!


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: daibasen on February 10, 2014, 04:35:10 AM
Whoever Satoshi is/was, he knew enough about strong crypto not only to develop bitcoin, but also to understand what happens to people who release such power balance-shifting technologies. Especially ones that actually work.

I'd say he had a pretty good memory of what happened to Phil Zimmerman after he developed PGP in the early 90s, and wisely chose to not reveal his identity.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Rawted on February 10, 2014, 04:56:05 AM
The person never existed. It's a pen name by the core Bitcoin developers to act as a buffer and create an air of mystery, nothing more.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Dabs on February 10, 2014, 05:12:25 AM
Holy people aren't really government targets. They are usually targets of crazy people, and then the holy people, because they are living saints, forgive their would-be assassins when they meet.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: DaFockBro on February 10, 2014, 05:50:14 AM
Satoshi = Mandingo


That's why.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Desmond.Paris on February 10, 2014, 06:28:30 AM
Satoshi disappeared because He did not need to be around.
He delivered His message, initiated the movement, and His job was done.
Time to ascend.


Why did Satoshi disappear completely? He could have stayed on the forums and could reply to our questions on bitcoin.

He should just return. Please. Thank you.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: Acidyo on February 10, 2014, 06:29:19 AM
Because their secret technology is 50-100 years ahead of any public perception of technology. They are no fools, they have the algorithms to decrypt any public cryptography cipher on which bitcoin is based. They also now have very powerful supercomputers so even if you manage to develop your own cipher they will crack it in seconds.

You username is far from the truth though.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: auzaar on February 10, 2014, 06:37:39 AM
You do not understand. For every mathematical operation there is a reverse operation. For every left side of the equation there is a right side. Just because you think there is no proof of the reverse operation doesn't mean that the enemy doesn't know it.
I XORed two numbers, one was data other was my secret key, result is 5768 tell me that data?


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: LAFreeze on February 10, 2014, 08:56:34 PM
Must have been 0x0BADBEEF, the NSA just told me. Their algorithm knows what you dreamt the day you invented that secret key, and they bitshifted the result 4 times, then hashed it with a BMOVL-filter, and thus they got the result. No need to know your key, we just know you ;)


But indeed... until folks know their maths, Satoshi had better stay in hiding, to occasionally teach those who did pay attention to their misunderstood teachers...


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: rezilient on February 10, 2014, 10:22:03 PM
and no his last post wasn't some inspiring speech, or a teary goodbye.  It was rather routine.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2228.msg29479#msg29479

"I'm leaving the -limitfreerelay part as a switch for now and it's there if you need it."

sounds like a secret farewell message to me! j/k

Question - What about the people who worked with him, like Gavin that was mentioned in the above post?  They didn't know is identity either, or they are swore to secrecy?


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: bitcoinminer on February 10, 2014, 10:28:11 PM
He actually left to create FlappyBird, and when then took off, the pressure made him crack again.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: rezilient on February 10, 2014, 10:29:21 PM
He actually left to create FlappyBird, and when then took off, the pressure made him crack again.

Holy smokes, I was thinking the exact same thing today. So it must be true!


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: bitcoinminer on February 10, 2014, 10:31:10 PM
He actually left to create FlappyBird, and when then took off, the pressure made him crack again.

Holy smokes, I was thinking the exact same thing today. So it must be true!

It is.  Now that you've read it on the internet, you know it to be fact.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: MicroGuy on February 11, 2014, 01:30:28 AM
Question - What about the people who worked with him, like Gavin that was mentioned in the above post?  They didn't know is identity either, or they are swore to secrecy?

The only way to find the true identity of Satoshi is to waterboard Gavin until he cracks.  :-X


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: TheButterZone on February 11, 2014, 02:45:41 AM
Satoshi disappeared (or "was disappeared" and signed-off after handing over the reigns, by an impersonator), out of the highest evolutionary instinct: self-preservation - and he would have, even if his early days-mined BTC was out of his control. Would you want to suffer every inhumanity that government would subject you to under color of authority, until your body shut down?


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: gtraah on February 11, 2014, 04:03:58 AM
i am betting he is on the forum and replying and is one of the devs, indeed . He just chose not to claim the CEO position, most probably no one did incase shit hits the fan


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: gollum on February 11, 2014, 05:40:30 AM
Satoshi Nakamoto is most probably a group, not an individual

Hint:
NAKAMOTO
SATOSHI

They have fulfilled their mission and bitcoin has taken a live of it's own, so they don't need to comment here anymore.


Title: Re: Why Doesnt Satoshi Continue Replying on the Forum?
Post by: OliverEngland on February 11, 2014, 06:05:43 AM
No one knows, he just mysteriously disappeared. He might even be dead.