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Title: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: wayneyoyo on February 09, 2014, 06:43:13 PM Can any one explain to me how it actually works ? Theres 5 bomb there i saw .
looking to invest some btc on it . Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: opnoskatt on February 09, 2014, 08:40:33 PM Pretty basic pyramid like system, with a benefit of rotation. You invest either singularly (buy the bomb) or as a group (invest in a "group bomb"). Once the full level has been reached it lists the investors (really cool feature because you can link your name as an advertisement) and then goes up to the next level based on which profit bomb your invested in (50%, 35%, etc); each one goes up proportionally (with overhead) based on the profit margin. Looks like you're a few minutes late on the 50% bomb, someone just bought the remaining shares... which is fine by me since I had money in the previous level ;D . The 35% and 25% bombs are nearing the end of their cycle unless the level is reached within a few hours. If it's not, the people who own the current level are SOL and the new investors will get an instant refund. Once that happens the bomb would reset back to a lower level.
It should also be noted that the clock resets to 24hrs (or 12hrs for the 50% bomb) every time a new level is reached. I was scared at first because I thought there was a more limited time to hit the next level. Overall it's a decent site, quick payouts, but of course it's a pyramid system and there's always a chance that you'll lose whatever you put in. Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: wayneyoyo on February 09, 2014, 08:51:28 PM Pretty basic pyramid like system, with a benefit of rotation. You invest either singularly (buy the bomb) or as a group (invest in a "group bomb"). Once the full level has been reached it lists the investors (really cool feature because you can link your name as an advertisement) and then goes up to the next level based on which profit bomb your invested in (50%, 35%, etc); each one goes up proportionally (with overhead) based on the profit margin. Looks like you're a few minutes late on the 50% bomb, someone just bought the remaining shares... which is fine by me since I had money in the previous level ;D . The 35% and 25% bombs are nearing the end of their cycle unless the level is reached within a few hours. If it's not, the people who own the current level are SOL and the new investors will get an instant refund. Once that happens the bomb would reset back to a lower level. It should also be noted that the clock resets to 24hrs (or 12hrs for the 50% bomb) every time a new level is reached. I was scared at first because I thought there was a more limited time to hit the next level. Overall it's a decent site, quick payouts, but of course it's a pyramid system and there's always a chance that you'll lose whatever you put in. Thanks for the answer , theres 3 group bomb now should i join them ? Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: opnoskatt on February 09, 2014, 08:54:46 PM Pretty basic pyramid like system, with a benefit of rotation. You invest either singularly (buy the bomb) or as a group (invest in a "group bomb"). Once the full level has been reached it lists the investors (really cool feature because you can link your name as an advertisement) and then goes up to the next level based on which profit bomb your invested in (50%, 35%, etc); each one goes up proportionally (with overhead) based on the profit margin. Looks like you're a few minutes late on the 50% bomb, someone just bought the remaining shares... which is fine by me since I had money in the previous level ;D . The 35% and 25% bombs are nearing the end of their cycle unless the level is reached within a few hours. If it's not, the people who own the current level are SOL and the new investors will get an instant refund. Once that happens the bomb would reset back to a lower level. It should also be noted that the clock resets to 24hrs (or 12hrs for the 50% bomb) every time a new level is reached. I was scared at first because I thought there was a more limited time to hit the next level. Overall it's a decent site, quick payouts, but of course it's a pyramid system and there's always a chance that you'll lose whatever you put in. Thanks for the answer , theres 3 group bomb now should i join them ? I think the 25% bomb might be a good one to try, but the traffic on that site appears to be going down over the past 24 hours... it's really only as good as the amount of investors. The 50% bomb is obviously the highest profit, but it needs .75BTC to hit the next level, not sure how reasonable that is within 12 hours. Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: wayneyoyo on February 09, 2014, 08:59:56 PM Pretty basic pyramid like system, with a benefit of rotation. You invest either singularly (buy the bomb) or as a group (invest in a "group bomb"). Once the full level has been reached it lists the investors (really cool feature because you can link your name as an advertisement) and then goes up to the next level based on which profit bomb your invested in (50%, 35%, etc); each one goes up proportionally (with overhead) based on the profit margin. Looks like you're a few minutes late on the 50% bomb, someone just bought the remaining shares... which is fine by me since I had money in the previous level ;D . The 35% and 25% bombs are nearing the end of their cycle unless the level is reached within a few hours. If it's not, the people who own the current level are SOL and the new investors will get an instant refund. Once that happens the bomb would reset back to a lower level. It should also be noted that the clock resets to 24hrs (or 12hrs for the 50% bomb) every time a new level is reached. I was scared at first because I thought there was a more limited time to hit the next level. Overall it's a decent site, quick payouts, but of course it's a pyramid system and there's always a chance that you'll lose whatever you put in. Thanks for the answer , theres 3 group bomb now should i join them ? I think the 25% bomb might be a good one to try, but the traffic on that site appears to be going down over the past 24 hours... it's really only as good as the amount of investors. The 50% bomb is obviously the highest profit, but it needs .75BTC to hit the next level, not sure how reasonable that is within 12 hours. The 25% need 0.3 BTC and it only have 3 hours left ... Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: opnoskatt on February 09, 2014, 09:02:17 PM Pretty basic pyramid like system, with a benefit of rotation. You invest either singularly (buy the bomb) or as a group (invest in a "group bomb"). Once the full level has been reached it lists the investors (really cool feature because you can link your name as an advertisement) and then goes up to the next level based on which profit bomb your invested in (50%, 35%, etc); each one goes up proportionally (with overhead) based on the profit margin. Looks like you're a few minutes late on the 50% bomb, someone just bought the remaining shares... which is fine by me since I had money in the previous level ;D . The 35% and 25% bombs are nearing the end of their cycle unless the level is reached within a few hours. If it's not, the people who own the current level are SOL and the new investors will get an instant refund. Once that happens the bomb would reset back to a lower level. It should also be noted that the clock resets to 24hrs (or 12hrs for the 50% bomb) every time a new level is reached. I was scared at first because I thought there was a more limited time to hit the next level. Overall it's a decent site, quick payouts, but of course it's a pyramid system and there's always a chance that you'll lose whatever you put in. Thanks for the answer , theres 3 group bomb now should i join them ? I think the 25% bomb might be a good one to try, but the traffic on that site appears to be going down over the past 24 hours... it's really only as good as the amount of investors. The 50% bomb is obviously the highest profit, but it needs .75BTC to hit the next level, not sure how reasonable that is within 12 hours. The 25% need 0.3 BTC and it only have 3 hours left ... Yeah, but the key is how big the next level will be. If it's gets the remaining .3BTC the clock restarts to 24 hours. The 35% bomb will be well over 1.5BTC for the next level while the 25% bomb will only require ~.75BTC to level up again. Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: opnoskatt on February 09, 2014, 09:03:15 PM Another key to remember is if you put into a group bomb but it never reaches it's level you'll get your money back.
Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: wayneyoyo on February 09, 2014, 09:06:56 PM Another key to remember is if you put into a group bomb but it never reaches it's level you'll get your money back. For the full Amount ? Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: opnoskatt on February 09, 2014, 09:08:05 PM Another key to remember is if you put into a group bomb but it never reaches it's level you'll get your money back. For the full Amount ? Yes, you get everything back if it never reaches the level for that group. If you're group does reach the level, then you would get paid if it reaches the next level, and lose your money if it doesn't. Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: FUR11 on February 09, 2014, 09:46:38 PM The question for new people is, what amount do these bombs reset to? For example, the 35% one is at 1.39...is this the first level? The 5th?
Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: opnoskatt on February 09, 2014, 10:06:59 PM The question for new people is, what amount do these bombs reset to? For example, the 35% one is at 1.39...is this the first level? The 5th? I'm not sure, but it goes up by a set amount on each reset (1.5x, 1.4x, etc, shows on each bomb). The next level will go up by that same multiplier and will require the full level to be completed in that amount of time. The investors from earlier levels are earlier rewarded on the first level-up, so there's not real advantage to "winning" a level early in the process rather than later. The lowest I've seen some of this start is ~.005BTC, but that also seriously limits the amount of winnings that are possible. Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: FUR11 on February 09, 2014, 10:24:07 PM The question for new people is, what amount do these bombs reset to? For example, the 35% one is at 1.39...is this the first level? The 5th? I'm not sure, but it goes up by a set amount on each reset (1.5x, 1.4x, etc, shows on each bomb). The next level will go up by that same multiplier and will require the full level to be completed in that amount of time. The investors from earlier levels are earlier rewarded on the first level-up, so there's not real advantage to "winning" a level early in the process rather than later. The lowest I've seen some of this start is ~.005BTC, but that also seriously limits the amount of winnings that are possible. The advantage to winning a level early would be...to profit. If you invest in Lv.1, you can then invest in Lv.3, Lv.5, ect, rolling over all of your profit. It's important for new players to know, though, where the bombs usually end. If 1.39 is one of the first levels, then theres no point in playing because it would seem like there would be nobody on. But if it started at .005, that would make this the 15th level, meaning that the site was fairly active and people could feel comfortable investing in early levels. Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: Mitchell on February 09, 2014, 10:26:46 PM I think the 50% bomb is quite profitable right now. Yesterday people bought bombs that were being sold for 1.2BTC, which means that the 50% should be gone easily.
Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: opnoskatt on February 09, 2014, 10:35:09 PM The question for new people is, what amount do these bombs reset to? For example, the 35% one is at 1.39...is this the first level? The 5th? I'm not sure, but it goes up by a set amount on each reset (1.5x, 1.4x, etc, shows on each bomb). The next level will go up by that same multiplier and will require the full level to be completed in that amount of time. The investors from earlier levels are earlier rewarded on the first level-up, so there's not real advantage to "winning" a level early in the process rather than later. The lowest I've seen some of this start is ~.005BTC, but that also seriously limits the amount of winnings that are possible. The advantage to winning a level early would be...to profit. If you invest in Lv.1, you can then invest in Lv.3, Lv.5, ect, rolling over all of your profit. It's important for new players to know, though, where the bombs usually end. If 1.39 is one of the first levels, then theres no point in playing because it would seem like there would be nobody on. But if it started at .005, that would make this the 15th level, meaning that the site was fairly active and people could feel comfortable investing in early levels. I usually goes in waves as far as popularity is concerned, right now there is more activity than a usual day, but less than yesterday. I've seen a few bombs go up to ~3-4BTC and turn into "MIRV" bombs which is usually pretty profitable. I think the average for the higher % bombs is ~2-2.5BTC with the current activity, but that's based solely on my limited experience with the service. I think right now the 50% is still a decent buy and I can guarantee the 25% will go up to the next level (because I'm buying it ;) ) Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: FUR11 on February 09, 2014, 10:44:25 PM The question for new people is, what amount do these bombs reset to? For example, the 35% one is at 1.39...is this the first level? The 5th? I'm not sure, but it goes up by a set amount on each reset (1.5x, 1.4x, etc, shows on each bomb). The next level will go up by that same multiplier and will require the full level to be completed in that amount of time. The investors from earlier levels are earlier rewarded on the first level-up, so there's not real advantage to "winning" a level early in the process rather than later. The lowest I've seen some of this start is ~.005BTC, but that also seriously limits the amount of winnings that are possible. The advantage to winning a level early would be...to profit. If you invest in Lv.1, you can then invest in Lv.3, Lv.5, ect, rolling over all of your profit. It's important for new players to know, though, where the bombs usually end. If 1.39 is one of the first levels, then theres no point in playing because it would seem like there would be nobody on. But if it started at .005, that would make this the 15th level, meaning that the site was fairly active and people could feel comfortable investing in early levels. I usually goes in waves as far as popularity is concerned, right now there is more activity than a usual day, but less than yesterday. I've seen a few bombs go up to ~3-4BTC and turn into "MIRV" bombs which is usually pretty profitable. I think the average for the higher % bombs is ~2-2.5BTC with the current activity, but that's based solely on my limited experience with the service. I think right now the 50% is still a decent buy and I can guarantee the 25% will go up to the next level (because I'm buying it ;) ) Ok, thanks for the info. The MIRV means that when it explodes, you don't lose because it breaks into separate bombs, right? I'm assuming you are saying that you are buying out the 25% because you are a current investor and don't want to lose your money, right? Now, as a prospective investor, that doesn't make me feel safe. If it's struggling to get to .555, I figure there's no way that it get to .777, right? Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: wayneyoyo on February 09, 2014, 10:58:08 PM I am still very blur on it , guess i will stick with insdice :D
Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: opnoskatt on February 09, 2014, 11:34:07 PM The question for new people is, what amount do these bombs reset to? For example, the 35% one is at 1.39...is this the first level? The 5th? I'm not sure, but it goes up by a set amount on each reset (1.5x, 1.4x, etc, shows on each bomb). The next level will go up by that same multiplier and will require the full level to be completed in that amount of time. The investors from earlier levels are earlier rewarded on the first level-up, so there's not real advantage to "winning" a level early in the process rather than later. The lowest I've seen some of this start is ~.005BTC, but that also seriously limits the amount of winnings that are possible. The advantage to winning a level early would be...to profit. If you invest in Lv.1, you can then invest in Lv.3, Lv.5, ect, rolling over all of your profit. It's important for new players to know, though, where the bombs usually end. If 1.39 is one of the first levels, then theres no point in playing because it would seem like there would be nobody on. But if it started at .005, that would make this the 15th level, meaning that the site was fairly active and people could feel comfortable investing in early levels. I usually goes in waves as far as popularity is concerned, right now there is more activity than a usual day, but less than yesterday. I've seen a few bombs go up to ~3-4BTC and turn into "MIRV" bombs which is usually pretty profitable. I think the average for the higher % bombs is ~2-2.5BTC with the current activity, but that's based solely on my limited experience with the service. I think right now the 50% is still a decent buy and I can guarantee the 25% will go up to the next level (because I'm buying it ;) ) Ok, thanks for the info. The MIRV means that when it explodes, you don't lose because it breaks into separate bombs, right? I'm assuming you are saying that you are buying out the 25% because you are a current investor and don't want to lose your money, right? Now, as a prospective investor, that doesn't make me feel safe. If it's struggling to get to .555, I figure there's no way that it get to .777, right? That's one of the strategies with the group bombs. I'm the current holder of that bomb at .39BTC. When it levels I'll make a profit of .1BTC. It will cost me .2BTC to buy out the level (if no-one else joins), putting me at a new liability of .1BTC (down from .39). It it reaches the next level without my intervention I'll get back an additional .05BTC, putting me at a total gain of .15BTC while limiting my total liability throughout the process. It can be complex to keep up with it, but as long as there is any interest with the group bombs it's not too difficult to make a profit. Obviously the easiest way is to invest and then have someone else scoop up the entire next level.. but where's the fun in sitting back and watching. Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: opnoskatt on February 09, 2014, 11:37:36 PM As an added bonus I always list my website as one of my referral links. In the past week I've brought on referrals through my bomb link for cloud scrypt hashing, cloud mining, and two other pyramids. It's a little bit of money, but it could end up creating pretty good downlines over time. It's a pretty cool addition to the casual cycler site.
Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: FUR11 on February 09, 2014, 11:40:48 PM That's one of the strategies with the group bombs. I'm the current holder of that bomb at .39BTC. When it levels I'll make a profit of .1BTC. It will cost me .2BTC to buy out the level (if no-one else joins), putting me at a new liability of .1BTC (down from .39). It it reaches the next level without my intervention I'll get back an additional .05BTC, putting me at a total gain of .15BTC while limiting my total liability throughout the process. It can be complex to keep up with it, but as long as there is any interest with the group bombs it's not too difficult to make a profit. Obviously the easiest way is to invest and then have someone else scoop up the entire next level.. but where's the fun in sitting back and watching. Aaaah, that makes a lot of sense. It seems like everything is now a group bomb...is it always like that? Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: opnoskatt on February 09, 2014, 11:42:40 PM That's one of the strategies with the group bombs. I'm the current holder of that bomb at .39BTC. When it levels I'll make a profit of .1BTC. It will cost me .2BTC to buy out the level (if no-one else joins), putting me at a new liability of .1BTC (down from .39). It it reaches the next level without my intervention I'll get back an additional .05BTC, putting me at a total gain of .15BTC while limiting my total liability throughout the process. It can be complex to keep up with it, but as long as there is any interest with the group bombs it's not too difficult to make a profit. Obviously the easiest way is to invest and then have someone else scoop up the entire next level.. but where's the fun in sitting back and watching. Aaaah, that makes a lot of sense. It seems like everything is now a group bomb...is it always like that? Not initially, the bombs almost always start off as single user bombs, if they go a certain amount of time with no buyers most of them seem to turn automatically into group bombs (and the clock restarts <-- very cool). Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: FUR11 on February 09, 2014, 11:44:57 PM As an added bonus I always list my website as one of my referral links. In the past week I've brought on referrals through my bomb link for cloud scrypt hashing, cloud mining, and two other pyramids. It's a little bit of money, but it could end up creating pretty good downlines over time. It's a pretty cool addition to the casual cycler site. That's cool. I don't have anything unique to promote but it's good to know that that option is there. Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: FUR11 on February 10, 2014, 12:46:36 AM Typically how long does it take once your bomb gets bought for you to see the profits?
Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: Mitchell on February 10, 2014, 12:47:03 AM Typically how long does it take once your bomb gets bought for you to see the profits? The payment has to have 2 confirmations, after that you will get paid. ;)Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: FUR11 on February 10, 2014, 12:51:54 AM Typically how long does it take once your bomb gets bought for you to see the profits? The payment has to have 2 confirmations, after that you will get paid. ;)I'm saying, is it instant? I feel like something screwed up and I'm making sure it did before I bug their support. Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: FUR11 on February 10, 2014, 03:24:03 AM Support seems quite slow, not a great sign.
Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: opnoskatt on February 10, 2014, 03:35:33 AM Support seems quite slow, not a great sign. I'm pretty sure it's a single person that runs the site, he's probably sleeping. Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: Mitchell on February 10, 2014, 09:25:26 AM Typically how long does it take once your bomb gets bought for you to see the profits? The payment has to have 2 confirmations, after that you will get paid. ;)I'm saying, is it instant? I feel like something screwed up and I'm making sure it did before I bug their support. Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: FUR11 on February 10, 2014, 09:26:24 PM Almost a full day now, no response to my email, no refund of my btc that apparently didn't get accepted.
That's one long nap. Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: Mr.Bitty on February 10, 2014, 09:35:52 PM Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: Mitchell on February 10, 2014, 09:38:09 PM Almost a full day now, no response to my email, no refund of my btc that apparently didn't get accepted. Some people are busy, have a job, go on vacation, etc. That's one long nap. What I keep noticing is someone pressing the "Grab Bomb" button and then simply not paying. It's good that the website is protected against that shit, but still. Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: FUR11 on February 10, 2014, 09:47:16 PM Almost a full day now, no response to my email, no refund of my btc that apparently didn't get accepted. Some people are busy, have a job, go on vacation, etc. That's one long nap. What I keep noticing is someone pressing the "Grab Bomb" button and then simply not paying. It's good that the website is protected against that shit, but still. Sorry, but "busy" isn't an excuse to me when it comes to running a business. As a prospective participant, I am very underwhelmed. Obviously something went wrong w/r/t me grabbing the bomb initially, I understand that and am not holding it against them, but going a day without even responding to me is turning me off from this site. I'm not sure what you are implying with the grabbing the bomb and not paying, I'm assuming one of those was me when the bomb reset and my transfer didn't go through in time for whatever reason, but I haven't been on the site since it was obvious that I did not, in fact, grab that bomb. Maybe there are several other new players, like me, who saw it advertised on here and tried it out but it isn't working? I'm not sure, but if it didn't work correctly for me it's not crazy to think that it's happening to others. Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: Mitchell on February 10, 2014, 09:52:58 PM Sorry, but "busy" isn't an excuse to me when it comes to running a business. As a prospective participant, I am very underwhelmed. Obviously something went wrong w/r/t me grabbing the bomb initially, I understand that and am not holding it against them, but going a day without even responding to me is turning me off from this site. Well, I understand that. An owner should check their website at least once a day. But well, give him a bit longer, I don't think that someone would abandon a website that still makes money.Quote I'm not sure what you are implying with the grabbing the bomb and not paying, I'm assuming one of those was me when the bomb reset and my transfer didn't go through in time for whatever reason, but I haven't been on the site since it was obvious that I did not, in fact, grab that bomb. Maybe there are several other new players, like me, who saw it advertised on here and tried it out but it isn't working? I'm not sure, but if it didn't work correctly for me it's not crazy to think that it's happening to others. No, that is not what I meant. There is someone who simply presses the "Grab bomb" button and let the timer hit 0 without sending a payment for it. I am guessing that this person does it to annoy the owner of the bomb or to trigger a reaction from someone else. Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: FUR11 on February 10, 2014, 09:59:21 PM Sorry, but "busy" isn't an excuse to me when it comes to running a business. As a prospective participant, I am very underwhelmed. Obviously something went wrong w/r/t me grabbing the bomb initially, I understand that and am not holding it against them, but going a day without even responding to me is turning me off from this site. Well, I understand that. An owner should check their website at least once a day. But well, give him a bit longer, I don't think that someone would abandon a website that still makes money.Quote I'm not sure what you are implying with the grabbing the bomb and not paying, I'm assuming one of those was me when the bomb reset and my transfer didn't go through in time for whatever reason, but I haven't been on the site since it was obvious that I did not, in fact, grab that bomb. Maybe there are several other new players, like me, who saw it advertised on here and tried it out but it isn't working? I'm not sure, but if it didn't work correctly for me it's not crazy to think that it's happening to others. No, that is not what I meant. There is someone who simply presses the "Grab bomb" button and let the timer hit 0 without sending a payment for it. I am guessing that this person does it to annoy the owner of the bomb or to trigger a reaction from someone else. I'm not saying that anyone abandoned anything, I'm just saying the customer service is very poor (from my experience) and that's making me not want to participate in the future. I'm not really sure what you mean about the bomb currently, someone is just clicking "grab" constantly and not paying? That's pretty shitty. Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: Mitchell on February 10, 2014, 10:10:58 PM I'm not saying that anyone abandoned anything, I'm just saying the customer service is very poor (from my experience) and that's making me not want to participate in the future. I can understand that yeah.I'm not really sure what you mean about the bomb currently, someone is just clicking "grab" constantly and not paying? That's pretty shitty. That's it yeah and it sucks. :PTitle: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: Mitchell on February 11, 2014, 06:58:02 PM Does anyone know any alternatives for this game? :)
Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: FUR11 on February 11, 2014, 09:49:46 PM If anyone's interested, there has still been no refund or email response.
Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: FUR11 on February 12, 2014, 10:22:21 PM Just wanted to update, I received the refund and hopefully we can figure out what went wrong.
Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: Mitchell on February 12, 2014, 10:44:34 PM Just wanted to update, I received the refund and hopefully we can figure out what went wrong. That's great to hear!Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: MUBBLE86 on February 22, 2014, 11:16:32 PM bet bet bet site is working Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: Noisskal on February 22, 2014, 11:27:06 PM Still have a lot user there ?
Title: Re: Question About Coinbomb.com Post by: MUBBLE86 on February 23, 2014, 07:36:30 AM Still have a lot user there ? yes is a nice ponzi art with security for money back by no reach 100% |
