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In societies, women believe they've been oppressed hence the need to advocate for the feminist movement. But it has been shown that women benefit from the patriarchal society they claim to be fighting against (e.g Ladies expect the man to be the breadwinner)  when feminism stands for the equality of both sexes.
I would like to know your thoughts on this

You are mistaking two things my friend.
It is one thing to choose to live a certain way and another to not have a choice.

If women want to live in a patriarchal society, that is their rightful choice, but if they don't, that should be respected and not forced on to them.

The first wave of feminism was all about equality ie they wanted the same rights as men - to be able to vote etc, and I see nothing wrong with the equality of the sexes in regards to rights. Modern day feminism often gets hijacked and corrupted by the internet and tumblr feminists and trolls though which can sour the cause to many I find, but as long as it's still about equality them I'm all for it.


You're making the error of grouping all women into one group that want the same things, which obviously isn't the case, just like all men don't want the same things. There are some women who are happy to stay at home and be a housekeeper and raise children all their life and that's pretty much it, whereas there are women who want a career or to start their own business etc, but what path they choose should be there's and nothing should ever be forced or expected of them, just like it shouldn't be for men. If a man wants to stay at home and look after the kids instead of going to work then there shouldn't be anything wrong with that or any shame in it either. Of course, some women will benefit from the expected system that they're meant to stay at home if they're happy to do that, but not if that's not what they want. Luckily a lot of countries have moved past that expectation but there are still some countries and cultures that lag behind where women are pretty much expected to stay at home and cook and clean and I don't think that's right if they don't have any say in the matter.

i think it is a good cause but there is more to it than equal rights. man and woman are equal so far they are both human being. however, to my little understanding, there is quiet difference between rights, privileges and responsibility. let take for example, spoon, knife and fork are all cutlery but with different functions. it will be absurd and derogatory for knife to contest for the duty of fork and vice visa. same applies to man and woman. where re physically meant for different roles aside societal norms. naturally women have ability to nurture than men that is why they are endowed with breast milk. so, the problem is the inability of accepting our roles.
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is it not hypocritical for the so called feminist to be silent on the issue of women dancing nude in music videos while there counterpart are well covered? what is more denigratory to womanhood than this?

The few feminist are already at lost,I do not believe in  equality but respect for each other is invaluable. A woman is a man's help mate and it should be taken like that.

Social and development policies are always designed with an advantage to the female over the male gender yet males are expected to be the breadwinner in households,pay for dates and be successful financially in a society that is increasingly programmed to favor the female gender. There is an advocacy for gender equality yet these same activists and the female gender themselves shirk these responsibilities and roles the advocate.
So would you say it is valid to continue to promote a cause which the stakeholders themselves are not acting in line with?

Women have always been more equal than men. Not feminists think for some reason that it would be good to downgrade women and make them equal with men. For me this is a mystery.

Feminism, during its first wave, is all about women empowerment. However, during its current wave or what we call, fourth wave, feminism is all about gender equality since women are already empowered. And if women of today wants an empowerment, they do not ask anymore for it, they are now asking for dominance because they are already empowered. But if their cause is about gender equality, then it is valid and acceptable. Feminism is advocating for a world that gives an equal opportunity to all of the genders since feminists believes that in a workplace, no one should be discriminated. They believe that all genders are capable of doing work.

No. Nowadays, there ar several issues regarding how men are violated and abuse. Like, men are always the ones who are accounted because of deprive women, but if you look closely its the woman intention to abuse the men, but because of feminism, they are the ones who are defendend with. We should practice gender equity wherein both genders are considerably safe against violence and abuse.

Somehow it is a valid cause as it is indeed happening that women were oppressed in the society. Women were seen as an object and makes them worthless per se. It is just right to fight for something that cause harm to someone. The thing is that feminism is sometimes overused in many situations. That's were it became an invalid reason to take. Women always fights for equality yet they're still complaining when a man didn't let a woman be sitted un his place. That's when they reached beyond the limit of using feminism.

Femenism is far from the one that was originally, many women and girls for femenizm but they really don't know what it means. There are a lot of videos where feminists can not formulate the reasons for which they are for feminism, it seems that they are simply bored or someone manipulates them. I do not think that the world needs femenism, without taking into account countries where women are not considered as people, where women do not have basic rights. But this is part of their religion and I don't think that some kind of feminism in another country will be able to help them.

Empowering women to achieve that which society believes only men can achieve is indeed a worthy and valid cause.  To empower a woman is not an easy task.  It requires self discipline else you might take advantage of their vulnerability and make them useless in the effect.
 Employ the right source of resource to achieve the desirable effect you wish to see in the woman you wish to empower.

Feminism is defined  as 'the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes'. How anyone can object to that is just bizarre, although as has rightly been pointed out already, it can be a touchy (get it?) subject for those who see it as over compensation. Why should a woman earn as much as me when I still have to pick up the tab at dinner? Why should I open the door for a lady, they should be opening doors for me? I don't believe the pay gap is a real thing, it's the choice of career that has the most impact. Women can't do the job I do, it's too demanding. Plenty more where those came from too. Progress is being made, but it will be a slow burner, and there will always be people at both extremes who will never be happy.

feminism does stand for the equality of both sexes. but it has been over worked so much. its become almost a battle and trying to prove that women are enough and can do enough. and now most make fun of the term feminism all because its over worked and over done and women need to be above everything.

Their si no valid cause for feminism in europe ,i think that group of womens are frustraded haters of straight mans that try to push all those sick genders as normal ,but its not normal and it has to be classified as mental disorder....i think a women has all rights in civilazed europe countreys same as man but  looks like some womens try to be man,... its nature girls cant be boys and now days people are mentaly disorderd try to be diffrent sex,try to be dogs, cats and god knows what else its not normal and it would never be not for me       

Everything depends on society. In my country women can receive education, work, and do business in the same way as men. Equal rights and opportunities for all, without exception - that's what we need to achieve.
Because feminism is now in the trend, some ladies abuse this. The fact that you are a woman (or man) does not mean that you should "play this card" all the time.

Extreme feminism is obviously the more clickbait and exciting news, but real, to the core, feminism is just equality. Of course, there are many reasons to disagree with extreme feminists, but the core of it is not nearly what a few individuals make it to be.

Feminism started as an extremely valid cause, and for me, there is no need to advocate for it as I feel I am treated extremely fairly in Canada. But in other places in the world, we need feminism movements.

Maybe feminism in America is aggressive. Women are very powerful in America and they use that power to frighten men. It is not easy in the USA or Canada to date a colleague. You never know what will follow up. I think men should be nice to women. Men should help them at work if needed and in life. But in most of the cases, women are smarter than men. They actually do not need our help. They just want to live in an equal society. In some countries, women do not have the right to drive or to talk in front of men. This is wrong. In that case, women should fight for their right. In other cases, when women abuse their prerogatives, well the result is terrible. They have no husbands or boyfriends and they end up sad. I believe we should support each other and help women/men whenever they need our support.

It can be difficult to date women in the USA or Canada, but there's no need to give up hope. I think that aggressive feminists probably have the most problems. I have dated women in the USA and in Canada and I have found many women who don't have any issues like that. I think it's funny that "feminist" is the word used to describe a person that wants equality between the sexes. Women are in the root of the word. Isn't that sexist in and of itself? It seems like some feminists act as it they should actually have more rights, that men should suffer for "what they've done wrong".

Feminists don't understand that the genders differ. They want everything and everybody to be equal. Thankfuly there aren't many of them in societies.

I think that many just misunderstand main thesis of feminism, and these many are also claiming to be feminist. It is not about hating opposite sex, it is about equaling the rights and lessening discrimination.

Feminism; the hot topic these days. And it is so for the wrong reasons. I think the feminism cause started out well. It will be stupidity to deny that the female gender is widely marginalized all over the world. It is very evident in different ways in the society. But many women have gone about battling this in the wrong way. Most of what is synonymous to feminism has done more harm than good even to the same womenfolk. Families are being torn apart, healthy societal values and norms are being eroded. And this has really invalidated the cause in many ways.

I think that equality of both sexes won't be as good for women as feminists think. They have wrong course because their course goes against feminists. I think feminists should think more about their plans.

The feminist movement has effected change in Western society, including Women's suffrage; greater access to education; more nearly equitable pay with men; the right to initiate divorce proceedings; the right to women to make individual decisions regarding pregnancy (including access to contraceptives and abortion) and the right to own property.

women also have interests. there are many antiwomen formations nowadays. just look at the banking cartels they are dominated by gays.

Ah, thank god I found someone on this board who I share the same views with. People don't understand that the first wave of feminism WAS about equality among women, but this new wave of feminism doesn't follow these same ideals. This new wave of feminism is one which hates men and hates everything about them. They're trying to remove the masculinity from men, and that's the plan in the end.

But yes, not all women are represented by this 'hate men' campaign -- which is something I don't think the feminists understand at all.

Feminism is a valid cause when defined as the equality of all women. But when it is defined as a campaign which hates men, then it's something I can't agree with in the least.

It's not about the benefits that women can receive. The point is freedom and equality. I think these two concepts are much more important than the benefits.
After all, these are the values of modern Western society. It`s the same for both men and women.

All humans deserve to be treated humanely regardless of gender.

I read a study recently, where 80% of local women think it's alright for husbands to beat their wives. This was from the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

The thing is; society is the problem in these areas. When society tells you something is this way because it's been this way; it takes a rebellious mind to challenge the status quo.

North Korea has the same issue;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/01/north-korea-women-sexual-violence-report


So ingrained into society that they cry without knowing why. That's pretty awful.


I think the feminism movement has merit; explicitly that movement outside the United States.

Now as an egalitarian, I don't believe that any person should be granted special privileges over another person.

Its pretty telling how a thread of mostly (or all?) men is discussing feminism. 

Feminism does not hate men (men should be feminists too).  Feminism does not claim that all women want the same thing.  It advocates that women be treated as individuals and not "women".  Some women want a breadwinner (maybe, some men do too), some women want to be protected, raise kids, and stay in the kitchen (maybe some men do too), and feminism is ok with that. 

What feminism demands is that each woman is able to be treated for who she is, and have her own interests and desires acknowledged.  Feminism is first and foremost about that individualism for each woman.  No woman should have those traditional roles assumed upon them.   

I agree. Feminism is the freedom to choose women.
It surprises me that many men perceive feminism as something threatening to them. I think they should rejoice, because with a woman free from prejudice and not driven into any social role is much more interesting. Because with a full-fledged and self-confident person it is always more comfortable to live.

The concept of feminism is valid when women are fighting for equality i.e. in the work place, right to vote etc. It is the "modern feminism", the one that has been abused by social media that I consider invalid.

It's a bitch, ain't it?

It is a valid cause when it is practiced to achieve equality. It's often misused though.

Therefore, those advocating for "Feminism" can never be the arbitrators of whether their cause is just and right.

I hate when I hear “you throw/run/play like a girl” being said to boys and girls. In general, women have been oppressed since the beginning of civilization. Feminism is about equality, not more power. People often forget that women did not receive the right to vote until 1920 in the United States. That was less than 100 years ago! And when you think about women’s rights globally, millions of women still have extremely limited rights. EVERYONE deserves rights.

I agree to that, my position is equal partners with men and not superiority to them. Feminists have made many great strides in the past, and the changes are still occurring. Far from over, far from finished, but still making progress. People are people, and people deserve to be treated as equally as any other people.

Feminism as I understand it is about ending the male supremacy that is the foundation of all oppression. Why that would be different for non-white feminists, I have no idea. Choice, on the other hand, is beloved of the liberal feminist set, a goodly percentage of whom are the relatively well-off white women who annoy those less privileged than themselves with their tendency to be self-absorbed and to ignore the experiences of women outside of their own class stratum.

Most women do throw/run/play differently than men. There's no oppression in those statements.