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I will donate 1 btc for someone in shibuya to get down to gox and lob a blue exercise ball @ the ceo on his way into work.  Must be caught on cam & put on youtube HD.

2 btc if its a team of you.

So technically your offering a bounty to violently assault him, right? Is that you DPR?

he started the assault

Are you really worried someone throwing a friggin blue ball at the douche? He has cost people lots of money and you prioritize a blue ball before that?

Ok...

Hardly a violent assault. A bombardment of blue balls would be funny though  :D.

Lol a "soft attack" ordered solely online and payed for by the BIG BAD bitcoin :-), that might be another cool story for the media :-).

In seriousness, this is one of the most hotly contested subjects in among adherents of the NAP: Assuming we agree that theft is a form of coercion, which assumes we agree on an individual's right to hold property (and not something silly which would logically make them "the people's bitcoins"), it is not immediately clear what to do in the face of something like this.

Karpeles is not visibly in the act of theft, yet he is depriving people of their property against the contract which had been agreed upon prior; current sanctions are thus far insufficient to incentivize the return of the property, or even proof it exists unspent.

The most proper answer from a game theoretic view is that this behavior is disincentivized under the NAP by all good actors by refusing to trade and effectively "exiling" him. This is where we get into difficult discussions about tainted coins, the importance of absolute fungibility, etc.

To say nothing of that many future trading partners with Karpeles will be "blind actors", and how to handle that, and how to tell a truly blind actor from a fake one, because the extension of the censure must logically extend to previously-considered good actors who knowingly trade with a bad actor, which undermines the incentives balance, and must also be  disincentivized. And should that extended censure be permanent (probably not) or proportional to the trade value (this models more stably); which means there may also be a point appropriate to resume trading with Karpeles, if he achieves a "neutral trade deficit" through means which is a long topic to itself.

Sorry, got a bit long-winded there, but almost all my spare time is spent studying and working on this kind of thing, and I'm absolutely mesmerized by the field. It is so straightforward and logical from afar (the game theory of the NAP, that is). But the devil is in the details, and keeping the framework logically consistent in  imperfect-information systems is a deliciously involved task.

If I were living in Japan I'd do it. Politicians get hit by stuff every day, even if he files a formal complaint worst case you get fined, that's low price for becoming famous :D
http://img.sadistic.pl/pics/Bush_dodges_shoes.gif

The guy who threw that shoe got tortured heavily by the police. He was very brave to do what he did.

Nah, the culture of civility in Japan would never stand for something like in that gif. Aside from what surely resulted in an arrest, in Japan you'd be widely shunned for such outrageous behavior. Forget the president, this would be true even if it were the TEPCO execs. They don't like folks who can't control themselves. Rightly so; a man whose emotions spill over as a violent outburst cannot be relied on, and is not safe to be around. You can't predict his targets.


No, he wasn't. Doing something that endangers you is not inherently brave. He achieved nothing, and was therefore merely a ballsy fool, and a public danger (see above — the bold text was probably his main motivation). And I'm certainly no Bush fan, who was of course also a public danger for different reasons.

I meant famous in the internet, as the guy wants you to post a video of the incident. On the other hand such action would have to be planned, I imagine Mark's friends would warn him if they saw some guys with rubber balls standing near the office ;D

Get/build a human-sized hamster ball and paint it blue, put a gyro inside it, and remotely control it to follow him from where he gets off the train or parks his car, up to the office building door.

Like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHdX_h_5m0s

I would send my 0.05 tip for the human sizez ball following him and insulting him. Btw i think karpeles isn't showing around very much. If I was in his boots I would rather sniff cocaine from some model's boobs in my lamborghini limo than walking the streets.


EDIT: I do not support any karpeles-like behaviour

That's just ridiculous. Of course he achieved something. He registered his protest and in doing so expressed the feelings of millions of people in Iraq and around the world. He showed that regardless of how rich or powerful you are people can get to you. No doubt Bush spent many sleepless nights wondering how it would have been if that was a bomb instead of a shoe.

It's ironic that a bitcoin user should say that protesting is worthless. Satoshi created bitcoin as a form of protest against the injustices of the banking system. The genesis block contains text that expresses that quite clearly.

Indeed he was lucky it wasn't someone like me throwing more "exciting" things at him. 8)

Nope, it call communicating.

Also DPR, is a legit biz man. Unlike Gox stealing from the poor.

Yes DPR, wanted to whack afew people, but they were interrupting his biz, any biz man will of have the same thing.

It's communicating in a meaningful way. Just make sure you write something on it to the tune of "This could have been a bomb if it wasn't me, you know... I would come clean or hurry up and fix your shit."

Dam forgot about the msg...   ;D  LOL

Don't cherry-pick my statement to misrepresent me. You are arguing against, yes, a straw man. Amazingly this still happens even though everyone knows what that is.

You began by repeating my assertion, but then proceeded to argue as if I had asserted that all protest is bad, whether nonviolent, or even passive resistance of the existing system (what Bitcoin inherently is).

I am against violent protest. So was Satoshi. It is contradictory to the NAP, and is a waste of time besides. It is unproductive because even if you had a good point, someone under any form of physical assault is literally not capable of considering your position. They will, however, make the the fallacy of associating your argument with the assault, and decide that it is an invalid argument because it comes from a known source of inappropriate behavior.

Silly and relatively harmless (physically) as a shoe is, it is still pointless and damaging to the cause, whatever that might be, unless the cause is to be part of a viral video I suppose.

If you offer me travel expenses I will do it for free!

That should have been a hit!
That should have been a hit!
That should have been a HIIIIIITTT!