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Title: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: turtletime on July 05, 2018, 07:16:36 PM
Anyone else worried the bitcoin price could crash if Satoshi decides to cash out all his bitcoins one day.


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: jackg on July 05, 2018, 07:40:53 PM
It would depend on how many people he sold his bitcoins to as to whether the price would crash and if he did it incremently. If he sold it to one person with all the money to pay for them at the regular value then it might not fall at all, especially if that person wants to hodl it for a while (if the coins were sent to me for example I wouldn't spend them for at least a decade so in that time the price would recover).

As another point, in the past 9 years, he may have lost his private keys in order to try to hide a bit better and remain more anonymous (if he never wants to be found at all).


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: deerlion on July 05, 2018, 08:36:57 PM
most people think Satoshi is dead.  I believe he would of already sold his coins if he was only in this for the money.


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: somethingici on July 05, 2018, 08:55:32 PM
Anyone else worried the bitcoin price could crash if Satoshi decides to cash out all his bitcoins one day.

Satoshi is probably dead by now. I don't see him dumping any coins any time soon. If he was going to dump then it would have happened at 20k


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: Muhammedayo on July 05, 2018, 09:13:57 PM
Satoshi have a long vision and so much belief in BTC.
This is the future guys , Blockchain technology have come to stay.
Why should he sell for a penny when BTC will still go 7 figures.

If at all he wants to sell , he won't sell at once.
The coins is on different wallet as seen on different blocks from Block 1.


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: yogg on July 05, 2018, 09:47:52 PM
If he sold it to one person with all the money to pay for them at the regular value then it might not fall at all

yeah, markets would not be crashed by the giga order.
however, will people continue to believe in BTC ? today, satoshi still hasn't touched his bitcoin. if they move, not necessarily on an exchange, I think people would dump bitcoin.
he still can sell the private keys without needing to sign a transaction but man, keys to 1M BTC ...


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: jackg on July 05, 2018, 10:05:48 PM
If he sold it to one person with all the money to pay for them at the regular value then it might not fall at all

yeah, markets would not be crashed by the giga order.
however, will people continue to believe in BTC ? today, satoshi still hasn't touched his bitcoin. if they move, not necessarily on an exchange, I think people would dump bitcoin.
he still can sell the private keys without needing to sign a transaction but man, keys to 1M BTC ...

I'm not sure I'd trust buying a private key, even things like casascious coins look somewhat an unusual buy just in case Mike Caldwell kept all of those private keys.

And money you can't touch isn't great, if you move 1btc at a time it might be less noticeable unless the keys became a collector's item themselves (maybe they already have). But that's still quite dangerous.

Anyone else worried the bitcoin price could crash if Satoshi decides to cash out all his bitcoins one day.

Satoshi is probably dead by now. I don't see him dumping any coins any time soon. If he was going to dump then it would have happened at 20k
Or when it was $200 or $50 or $2000? Maybe he's holding for a reason.


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: lindatang on July 06, 2018, 03:46:26 AM
Let's not discuss whether this person exists.
If such an incident occurs, it will be a disaster for BCT and the entire encrypted coin market, at least I think so.
I hope that such a thing will never happen.


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: Crypto_Sassy on July 06, 2018, 03:59:21 AM
Anyone else worried the bitcoin price could crash if Satoshi decides to cash out all his bitcoins one day.
I will be happy, opportunity for buying in dip.


It would depend on how many people he sold his bitcoins to as to whether the price would crash and if he did it incremently. If he sold it to one person with all the money to pay for them at the regular value then it might not fall at all, especially if that person wants to hodl it for a while (if the coins were sent to me for example I wouldn't spend them for at least a decade so in that time the price would recover).

As another point, in the past 9 years, he may have lost his private keys in order to try to hide a bit better and remain more anonymous (if he never wants to be found at all).

Might be he donated all of it  and now holding nothing.

If such an incident occurs, it will be a disaster for BCT and the entire encrypted coin market, at least I think so.

Think otherwise, 1 million bitcoin can bring 100 million people in bitcoin holding .01 BTC in average. Price will rise after mass adoption.


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: pooya87 on July 06, 2018, 04:28:09 AM
i blame altcoins for this mentality that they have created among the newbies. a couple of years ago you never saw this question be asked this many times. but nowadays you see this being asked every other day.

it is because they look at altcoin devs and see that their only goal for creating that altcoin was to make money, they premine a huge amount of that coin and then when there is a rise they dump the coins (like Vitalik dumping 1 million ETH when it was $1500) so they think Bitcoin was created for the same reason!!! but they forget that bitcoin is the only "currency" and Satoshi created it to perform as a currency not something he sells to make money like the altcoin devs do.


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: Kakmakr on July 06, 2018, 06:54:55 AM
When it was announced that the Silkroad coins would be sold on auction a few years ago, the price dropped a little. This is a clear indication that the market reacts on news like this. So I presume that the mere movement of 1 coin from the Million coins that Satoshi mined, would send the market into a Selling frenzy and this will push down the price.

There are so many trigger happy speculators in the Bitcoin market these days, that a event like this will spark a massive dump of coins onto the market. I will be one of the people who would be waiting with open arms, to collect all these cheap coins.  ;D

If I had access to only one of Satoshi's private keys, I would sell 1 coin immediately to flush out all these speculators that are manipulating the Bitcoin market price.  >:( 


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: Heidim on July 06, 2018, 09:17:51 AM
I doubt that any Bitcoins associated with him will ever be sold. To him is was never about the value of a single Bitcoin, or getting rich. Just my opinion.


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: TienDat9517 on July 06, 2018, 10:02:40 AM
 if Nakamoto were to put his coins up for sale, the entire market would be flooded, and the Bitcoin price would tank. bitcoin may be removed from the king position


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: jackg on July 06, 2018, 11:36:08 AM
When it was announced that the Silkroad coins would be sold on auction a few years ago, the price dropped a little. This is a clear indication that the market reacts on news like this. So I presume that the mere movement of 1 coin from the Million coins that Satoshi mined, would send the market into a Selling frenzy and this will push down the price.

There are so many trigger happy speculators in the Bitcoin market these days, that a event like this will spark a massive dump of coins onto the market. I will be one of the people who would be waiting with open arms, to collect all these cheap coins.  ;D

If I had access to only one of Satoshi's private keys, I would sell 1 coin immediately to flush out all these speculators that are manipulating the Bitcoin market price.  >:( 

Maybe you could earn coins without selling any of the million. I.E. I won't sell any of the coins if I get a total of 1BTC to my address monthly ;D.

And everyone is really too trigger happy, I'd be the same if actively trading which is why I don't look at the exchange rates. I doubt it'll fall below $1k per Bitcoin anyway at the moment.


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: BQ on July 06, 2018, 11:48:22 AM
Hard to imagine he'd come to crash his own project to begin with! and since he's maybe not alive nor is it a he nor it is a singular individual..
but, I can't see any other way other than such a large amount leading to everyone dumping the moment his wallets show signs of life.
if that happened, it seems difficult to imagine people actually coming back, "final nail in the coffin" to bring in more insecurity into the market?

maybe he got some smaller older wallets that he could use. why would he just make a few wallets and disappear if he intended to come dump it all, unless he wanted to kill it?


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: GreenProfit on July 06, 2018, 02:00:20 PM
We are not even sure if satoshi created bitcoin.There are stories that bitcoin is created in Slovenia.Also there is another stroy that bitcoin is created by some people from America and he had support from NASA.So if even he is creator I am sure that he will not sell own bitcoins for smaller price,he would better go to sell little today,little tomorrow,little next week until he sold all bitcoins because only by that way he can get more money.If that happents but that should not happent price will drop for sure because some traders will be in panic and they will sell for less money.Best option for 1 million bitcoin owner is to HODL all coins.


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: CryptoMobster on July 06, 2018, 03:31:16 PM
I doubt he would go and crash his own party, would he?


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: jackg on July 06, 2018, 03:41:41 PM
We are not even sure if satoshi created bitcoin.There are stories that bitcoin is created in Slovenia.Also there is another stroy that bitcoin is created by some people from America and he had support from NASA.So if even he is creator I am sure that he will not sell own bitcoins for smaller price,he would better go to sell little today,little tomorrow,little next week until he sold all bitcoins because only by that way he can get more money.If that happents but that should not happent price will drop for sure because some traders will be in panic and they will sell for less money.Best option for 1 million bitcoin owner is to HODL all coins.

Yes there are a lot of stories about where is was created/released: US/UK (the thing about the financial crisis)/Australia (Craig wright - fake satoshi)...
I doubt he would go and crash his own party, would he?
Maybe he'd hope it would be stable enough to be able to use them.


there's also a question as to whether he'd be able to use them and get the transactions confirmed, the network might run against any mining he does and blacklist any nodes that broadcast transactions from his address. They don't want the value of the coin to plummit do they?


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: darkangel11 on July 06, 2018, 07:40:00 PM
if Nakamoto were to put his coins up for sale, the entire market would be flooded, and the Bitcoin price would tank. bitcoin may be removed from the king position

It would, but let's face it. The real value of BTC is dictated by a fraction of the supply that is being traded. If holders decided to sell we'd also have a crash, and the other way round, if someone really rich  (like forbes 100) put most of his money into BTC, he'd be able to completely empty one of the exchanges and create a temporary rally where people wouldn't know what's going on and buy just in case.
IMO Satoshi selling wouldn't destroy BTC, it would cause a huge crash but I'm pretty sure that in time it would recover.

Of course this will never happen. He'd have to use an exchange to crash prices and a person like him values privacy more than wealth. BTW, you don't know how many coins he had on the side. Even if he had 100 coins saved up on another address (coins that he mined himself) and sold them last year, he'd have enough to live comfortably and relatively safe.


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: siagh357 on July 06, 2018, 08:04:40 PM
He is the inventor of Bitcoins and Bitcoins growth is in his interest, so I don't think I will contibute to anything that will bring bitcoin down by dumping his shares in it to make it worthless.


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: JohnTycoon on July 06, 2018, 09:25:34 PM
The legend says that he (or she??) has lost his coins or the keys so the dumping could only be theoretical. But, anyway, if it happens I will buy them all.


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: jackg on July 06, 2018, 09:53:30 PM
The legend says that he (or she??) has lost his coins or the keys so the dumping could only be theoretical. But, anyway, if it happens I will buy them all.

Really??? A computer scientist with enough intelligence to build a cryptocurrency from scratch doesn't know how to make backups, I find that unlikely!
I mean he might have destroyed them so no one steals them but not lost them accidentally.

He is the inventor of Bitcoins and Bitcoins growth is in his interest, so I don't think I will contibute to anything that will bring bitcoin down by dumping his shares in it to make it worthless.

But why not? If you'd made a project and you could make $1bn from it, would you also not sell and sit holding your private keys intead postulating anything you could actually do with them.


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: Kakmakr on July 07, 2018, 08:35:51 AM
When it was announced that the Silkroad coins would be sold on auction a few years ago, the price dropped a little. This is a clear indication that the market reacts on news like this. So I presume that the mere movement of 1 coin from the Million coins that Satoshi mined, would send the market into a Selling frenzy and this will push down the price.

There are so many trigger happy speculators in the Bitcoin market these days, that a event like this will spark a massive dump of coins onto the market. I will be one of the people who would be waiting with open arms, to collect all these cheap coins.  ;D

If I had access to only one of Satoshi's private keys, I would sell 1 coin immediately to flush out all these speculators that are manipulating the Bitcoin market price.  >:( 

Maybe you could earn coins without selling any of the million. I.E. I won't sell any of the coins if I get a total of 1BTC to my address monthly ;D.

And everyone is really too trigger happy, I'd be the same if actively trading which is why I don't look at the exchange rates. I doubt it'll fall below $1k per Bitcoin anyway at the moment.

Agreed. I would rather dump some coins that nobody can link back to me on some service that gives interest on Bitcoin deposits and live off the interest that I receive from that. < I currently receive interest at AsMoney & Freebitco.in on some of my bitcoins > Some of these sites gives like 4% interest on your deposits, so you can live comfortably off the interest of 100 or so bitcoins.  ::)

Satoshi have enough IT skills to work anonymously in any way, so he might be getting money from freelance work.  ;)


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: Wasii on July 07, 2018, 10:39:24 AM
Anyone else worried the bitcoin price could crash if Satoshi decides to cash out all his bitcoins one day.
the market will definitely dump and bitcoin might go to  $100 per 1


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: jackg on July 08, 2018, 10:38:49 AM
Agreed. I would rather dump some coins that nobody can link back to me on some service that gives interest on Bitcoin deposits and live off the interest that I receive from that. < I currently receive interest at AsMoney & Freebitco.in on some of my bitcoins > Some of these sites gives like 4% interest on your deposits, so you can live comfortably off the interest of 100 or so bitcoins.  ::)

Satoshi have enough IT skills to work anonymously in any way, so he might be getting money from freelance work.  ;)

I don't think freebitco.in can really generate that amount of profit from 100BTC I might be wrong though as it would allow them to increase their max jackpot amount.


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: thedarksun on July 08, 2018, 05:56:59 PM
Satoshi is one of the biggest mysteries not even in crypto but maybe in the whole world so we could make many speculations about things that this guy could done, but the only answer we may be able to get will be in future, who knows what will happen.


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: pixie85 on July 08, 2018, 08:47:54 PM
The legend says that he (or she??) has lost his coins or the keys so the dumping could only be theoretical. But, anyway, if it happens I will buy them all.

Don't tell anyone that you have enough cash to buy Satoshi's coins even at a discount. That would make you a nice target for a home invasion. That Russian youtuber got attacked for much less.I think that Satoshi, if alive, is still in control of his coins but chooses to hide. If he touched them many people would try to trace him.


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: kwabeedat on July 08, 2018, 10:32:48 PM
Anyone else worried the bitcoin price could crash if Satoshi decides to cash out all his bitcoins one day.
It will depend on so many factors. For example if Bitcoin is flying around $50K and we see that many people might speculate that even helped a pump to that price, but currently that the market has been bleeding for a long time, if we see that it can be chaotic.


Title: Re: What if satoshi dumped his 1 million bitcoins?
Post by: Floyx Company on July 09, 2018, 01:31:53 PM
then the price will drop so low that the perfect moment to buy at the promotional price will appear.