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Do you believe that Crypto currency based on whales . and they make market circles. they can do what ever then.


I personally believe this , i think you too agree to this

- Its peer to peer currency then how come natural market circles ,

- Its an artificial things and manipulate the markets


 

well, of course, the cryptocurrency world is so unstable, it is a game sometimes, but not always the gane of lukc

Yes, I think most altcoin is subject to some degree of price manipulation.
Because most of the tokens are in the hands of a few people, they can manipulate prices.

of course, cryptocurrency worsld is so unstable, but i believe that it is not a game of luck, you need ykuepr brains here

i think that it is not as bad as people might think it is, but it is true, we need to pay attention a lot

yes , Few people has a giant amount of money.

The whales have a big chance to take control of the market because of their huge funds and they can play the market anytime. In fact, the centralized exchange site has been supporting it because the crypto are using the supply and demand to determine its value and that makes the whales have a lot of chance to control the market direction.

You can say that, because whales can jump free to dominate the market, not only in the crypto world, the real world can also master, so if we want to master the market try to become a whale.

You are right whales know everything in advance they calmly and easily control the stock exchange and prices . We can only look and believe in the good . ::)

yes we have to see the market, thats only we can do. we have to see the patterns  of the market and adjust.

I think there are whales in the cryptocurrency, but it's not just whales. If they are all whales, how do you cut the leeks? It can only be said that they have a lot of money, which is much more powerful than ours.

While there is no real application of the crypto currency, it will remain very speculative, so you should always be cautious when buying something in the long term. The best way to minimize losses is to diversify your crypto-currency portfolio.

These kind of market behaviour is not peculiar to cryptocurrency alone,  in every market there will be people who gain upper hand and this may be as a result of capital that they control or political power they have.  Cryptocurrency is different because these kind of advantages is open  to anyone,  no restrictions!

The US government has an statements regarding this manupilation issue and as far as i know they are making actions towards this

If this is true and reliable then all our questions and inquiries about manipulation and i am looking forward on this.so for now lets just bare with the market prices and just be contented

Right now, it's still all highly speculative. Buyer beware! Prices can still drop significantly. I would wait a little longer!

I think so, because this market can basically be said to be operated by whales. Their existence directly leads to the rise and fall of a certain coin. I think this can be said.

This is a game of whales. In this game, we only win if we have enough patience, we really to lose the amount we invest in crypto, we don't care about crypto's chart, and we believe in the project we will invest.

Currently, when most of the major exchanges are influenced by several people, this is a game of whales. But you can learn to play by their rules. For example, now when the market is in the red zone for half a year, you just need to purchase bottom and wait for the growth of the crypto.

Everyone can manipulate the market. But the special impact on him is that of people who in their assets have impressive amounts of cryptocurrency. And thanks to large volumes, they can both collapse the market, and make it grow.

Early adopter who bought BTC in 2009 to 2011 is possible to manipulate the crypto market, because they has athousand BTC. And if they has work together will be easy for them to manipulate the price because the market cap of crypto still small, but when the market cap going up to multi trillion dollar will be difficult for whales to manipulate this crypto market.

It is mandatory because they keep a huge amount of virtual money and when that virtual money is sold the market naturally falls and when they inject money into the market will increase.

Yeah, crypto is so new, and the market cap still small, so it's very easy for whales to "make price". The only way to make money in this world is follow them.

For some project I definitely see big involvement by whales (and perhaps even institutes trying to get in while fudding crypto at the same time).

I figured I will not let myself be scared off by their tactics, even if prices drop to lower than all time lows :)

Yeah the whales just dominate, volume is too low.

The situation you are talking about will materialize in the future, I'm sure, but we are living in a different world yet. As many on this forum have pointed out, we are still in the early stage of adoption, and it's natural for this stage that most of the coins are in the hands of either those who created them or in the hands of the very first adopters. We need the number of crypto users to increase 20 times for the situation to change. But don't worry, it won't take long. In the fast changing modern world I think around two years from now will be enough.

It is not a game. It is a good and win-win strategy of earning money on crypto. When you have more than 1 million $ and you now people with the same deposit you can join forces and manipulate price of bitcoin easily.

Of course, whales have the main influence on criptocurrency market. However, last year we see increasing influence of  institutional investors

I think too so maybe there are some people or groups that set up but I I do not know, but I believe and keep positive thinking about the world of cryptocurrency is the future.

the market is relatively small, and is moved up or down by volume. so whales can short/long the market and then move the market in the direction they want.
in a sense, we can be certain the market won't crash completely - why would they kill their golden goose.
but it's definitely not good.

In my opinion I think the whales can have influence on the market or value of a coin just like the stock exchange, but not to a large extent.
I believe if a coin is promising or good enough, no matter the influence of the whales it will still have a good value.
This is the main reason why I think cryptocurrency still need some regulations.

It seems to me that who you represent the whales of the market is not what it really is, I think the big players understand the behavior of the crowd and they manipulate the market for short distances and in the long run it plays the role of a crowd.

In the future there will change a lot, because the total of investors will increase what mean that the volume and total market cap wil also increase. This mean that the effect of the whales can decrease.

Yes I am sure it's the game of big whales who dominates the market and fluctuates it for their benefit but we need to play smart and invest in those altcoins which is product ready and which can operate without support of crypto in future.

Well, whales for sure have their share of crupto, controlled and predictable.
But it shouldn`t mean that we, non-whales shouldn`t get involved and shouldn`t have hope to get rich.
Good traders tend to understand whales logic and upcoming moves, like "reads" in Poker.

The more I'm involved in crypto the more I believe that it's true. There's definitely something behind the scenes which we, mere mortals, can hardly ever see. Hope "decentralization" is not just a sound, because it's one of the most important features in crypto. It will lose its sense without it. This is one of those rare cases when I wanna be wrong)) I guess, we'll learn the truth in the nearest future, in 2-3 years, after crypto is somehow better regulated all over the world.

Agreed, whales are dominating. the control large volume of market circles and can cause a change. sometimes I think that a group can manipulate the entire crypto market.

You can say that about any market in any economy too though. It's always the case that in a thinly traded market, people who large amounts of supply can greatly affect the price and such. The larger the market, and the larger the volume, the less this becomes possible.

Well, Obviously people with a lot of money can change the game of crypto market in seconds they can do whatever they want but they don't I think because they just don't care what is happening with the market because they are getting their profit.

The problem is that at the same time that there will be new crypto users there will also be many rich people and investment funds that will buy cryptocurrencies so new whales will be created and we will still have the same problem.

Yeah big investors can manipulate the market big time because their actions whether to sell or hold has a big impact on the dump and pump of the market. If a whale decides to sell off $40million worth of btc we will see a sharp decline in the price of bitcoin and crypto as a whole and if they choose to invest the same amount we will see an increase in the crypto market cap.

I believe. The Whales can pump or dump a coin as they want. A 10% increase with a huge investment is a good profit for them.
It's we the shrimps that are wailing lol

Wrong. Why do you think it's impossible to manipulate the price of USD or Euro? Why do you think they are more or less stable during the past years? And why do you think GBP is a bit less stable, although it is still pretty stable compared to crypto currencies? That is because around 330 million Europeans use the euro every day and, apart from 325 million Americans, around 400 million use USD abroad, while British pound is used by less than 100 million. So, there is a correlation between adoption and stability of a currency.

I think that so far it is. But soon the exchange opens from NASDAQ and possible approval of ETF from the SEC. I hope that this will provide an opportunity for institutional investors to enter the market and the introduction of certain regulations and rules. It seems to me that manipulations will decrease after this.

Indeed, the pope has the right to do so, because of his many funds. The exchange will be mastered and able to flip out the price, so we wait for the best.

I believe Whales exist in crypto currency but I don't believe they have much influence to control the market as people normally thought, if much people are into cryptos, I don't think they will have any effect on crypto because anytime they sell off other people will buy them up.

Not really about them but they can make an impact to the market.

Whoever controls the market has the big portion of money that was invested to the market and it's not only millions but more than that.

This what we are all been believing for the whales act for manipulating the market.

Market manipulations are a given, but that does not mitigate the resultant profits or losses, depending on where you stand.

The whales of every coin controls a major part of the market situation. The same analogy happens with the coins. For instance, Bitcoin has the highest dominance and hence takes chare of the whole market. The same thing applies, whales hold the largest portion of the coin and hence can control the market with that holdings.

I honestly don't think it's as simple as that. Perhaps if you're an altcoin trader (or should I say speculator) then all this makes sense to you. Price goes against you, you keep losing value, you keep depositing in more and your portfolio just keeps getting "redder".

But no one was complaining when these same whales played together to make Bitcoin price go up, right?

I think we give them too much credit. See all the volumes on trade. Look at all the conversations going on here. See all the people earning Bitcoin and spending them for pizza or whatever.

These aren't whales. Yet they're driving everything. I think 10,000 of us using Bitcoin every day is more impactful than 10 Whales moving things in one hour.

Mate everything is based on whales(almost) in this world. Thats the thing - if you have money you can do whatever you want, especially more money. And there is no difference for whales in market - they gain money on rising market, they gain money on falling market. All we need to do now - just fill our bags with promising crypto and just wait till they will play with each other ;)

It is a game with winners and losers. Some are going to be richer and some poorer. Not everyone is going to become rich.

Did they? It's an interesting question, because from my perspective, what they actually did was they made the price go down by selling from their stash when they saw the price was high enough. The thing is that to make the price go up you have to buy crypto with fiat, but they don't have much of fiat, they have mostly crypto, right? Why would they buy even more crypto, which they already have in big amounts, with fiat, which is what they really want to have? I think the price was rising not because of manipulations, but rather because of natural demand from the new adopters, and then it went down because of the whales' selling.

According to you, whales know and control the market ordinary people as we just look and hope that everything will be soon good and the market will start to grow steadily.

Yes, I very much agree with you. Only when whales have an idea will others follow them. Whales don't shake water, and sea water doesn't fluctuate. This is a group game where whales will bring countless small fish.

I think it is, big whales has the most control in the crypto market, since they do have a huge amount of holdings of every altcoins. they can easily manipulate the market if they want to.

I believe that manipulation in the crypto market is driven by the whale investors with huge amount of btc reserves which could make an impact in the crypto market. If these whales will be selling huge amount of btc to earn more profit, it could result to more supply in the market and can lead to a bear market scenario. For those people who happens to do panic selling will eventually lose instead of gaining thus whales again will buy huge amount of btc to make the market goes up once again.

the greater the control. It does make sense if it thought. market conditions are always unstable certainly can be utilized easily by that has a large amount of crypto so it can make a profit for them. This will make small investors will increasingly often complained of the conditions if they are not good at in looking at potential.

Whales buy not only bitcoins they have altcoins they play with all the coins on the exchange that they are profitable at the moment  ::)

Its not just for whales. It is also for investors who dreamed to be whales. And it is very undenieble that we just go on the flow that they create. There's no limitation on the possibilities of Crypto.

I don't think so, crypto is very independent that this idea is not realistic for me and I think there could be another thoughts about it. I don't agree with you.

I agree there is manipulation but the whales have a lot to risk and it becomes more difficult to profit as a whale when there aren't other whales and other investors in general.  Really, it needs to be a lot of small investors  in the game rather than a few whales.  People who got burned by buying the hype in Nov-Jan 2017 need to be brought back in somehow.  But for now the sluggish markets will likely continue and the best thing any of us can do is to stay positive and keep on looking for new opportunities in crypto markets.  There are a lot of garbage project/coins started every day lately but there are a few good ones.

I believe that it has power has control, and with that the powerful whales manipulate the market

This can be clearly seen through the exchange rate decrease in a specific cycle. Existing whales fully control the exchange rate of this market so if you invest, then you need to study carefully about the market years ago to be able to make the right decision. Long-term investments should be made in ETH and held until the end of 2018.

The market of crypto trading is not regulated and is subject to market manipulation. I think that whales have all the possibilities for manipulating the price, but this does not prevent other market participants from profits.

Everything where you deal with big money you face the manipulations and lots of different schemes. But not only such things you may find there. Crypto world and the situation on the market depends a lot on small holders as well. Every participant of this process influence on the situation - it does not depent on wheather you do something or you do nothing, sometimes your inactivity is stronger than your actions.

talking about the manipulation of the market may be done by some unscrupulous people who manipulate the trading cycle that leads them to make big profits behind the losses experienced by many people. it could be something like that done because they will not want to be harmed in any case

Naturally, whales do everything they need with a crypto market. Previously, this was happening in the stock markets until the state regulation was done.

Well that has being the situation obviously for a long time now with the many manipulation happening in this space.

Quite right! If we are manipulated, then do not be an impersonal crowd and obey the herd instinct. Let's stay by ourselves!)

That's right. The market is totally manipulated by whales. They can adjust the exaggeration of the coin the way they want. So many people do not like this in the crypto market

There are times when I think that there are people who control the market for their gain and then just dumps the market after getting what they want but I think that is close to impossible for the people to control the market. But still there are many ways that people can control the market and no one know those ways or never showed much interest.

Crypto is too independent thing to be something like you have said. I am sure that crypto will become the greatest invention of the current century.