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Why is digaran (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=806776) allowed to troll members of this forum?

Forum rules clearly says:

3. No trolling.

Source:

??? ??? ???

That is a seriously difficult question to answer.

Since trolling isn't in the conventional dictionary I looked at I had to go to the most popular urban dictionary definition:

The art of deliberately, cleverly, and secretly pissing people off, usually via the internet, using dialogue.

One would have to say that digaran is doing the following:

?  Art - art is very subjective. I'm not sure if I am qualified enough in the art of trolling to answer that.

?  Deliberately - one could argue that he is doing it as a response rather than doing it for the Lulz. Probably deliberate.

☒  Cleverly  - I doubt that any of the people that accuse him of trolling would say it is done cleverly. So you'd have to admit that it is clever.

☒  Secretly - it isn't much of a secret that he is pissing people off

☑  Pissing people off

☑  Via the internet

☑  Using dialogue

But he will probably claim that he is counter-trolling.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Trolling

https://i.imgur.com/3aK72JJ.png

While a troll is highly annoying, ignore works wonders. I also believe it is up to the interpretation of a mod/admin.

I was trying to introduce a bit of humor into the subject.It would be boring if everyone was just sitting in an echo chamber.
If everyone agreed it would be a boring back patting hippy group.

While the discussion can sometimes be tedious and repetitive the alternative would be a self-congratulatory discussion.

Censoring speech (however annoying it may be) should in my opinion only be done if it is only destructive.

Echo chamber is a pretty good alternative to absolute crap posting.

Report to admin, Looking at another thread, Ignore and logging off works wonders for me.

Some of the flame wars between different conflicting personalities can be boring but such is the nature of a forum.

Sure, I read many of them but some are not worth posting in when they degrade to idiocy.

I'm actually surprised digaran hasn't been banned yet.  I've seen a handful of members here in the past 3 years get banned for trolling (I think).  Mixan, fwdxlsh, and that girl who kept writing that she has a thigh gap....or maybe that was fwdxlsh, can't remember.  MPOE-PR was another, right around the time I started lurking.  I'd say digaran is as bad or worse than those folks, and it seems he interjects himself into any discussion of forum politics, as if he wants negative trust from DT members--and he's gotten it, most recently from OGNasty.  He's a feedback troll as well as a posting troll, so as much as I'm for the freedom this forum provides, he is breaking the rules.

I've had him on ignore for a while now, but I keep looking at his posts anyway.  Silly me.

Yes!! Nice find.  I don't even know why she got banned, but it was obvious that what she was doing was trolling.  It wasn't malicious (like digaran's posts often are), but it was a bit disruptive to the forum.  There was another member, with the handle of Oxoo10 or something similar who was trolling hard.  Don't know if he got banned or just disappeared.  I always thought he was somebody's alt, but I couldn't figure out whose it might be.

codishmumu had the thigh gap. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1540539.msg15484527#msg15484527

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1203093.5

https://i.imgur.com/ORRosR5.png

We need more clarification under that heading regarding what is allowed under that heading. If even jokes are not allowed, that will make this place quite boring.

Jokes are allowed, but they're scarce here since very few people can string the appropriate sentences together with enough skill to pull off something humorous.  Even fewer people would even catch something funny. 

Why waste time putting actual creativity into a post when all anyone has to worry about is character count, anyway?  [end sarcasm]

Looking at his post history, i think this guy is actually somewhat "serious" and does actually (atleast up to some degree) believe in what he is posting. (Not that any of his points/posts have merit imo)

So where exactly do you draw the line between trolling and spreading misinformation simply because you do not know better/ believe in something that is different from popular opinion..

If you ban this guy, are you also going to ban this guy? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=244104



Or if any opinion that has no factual basis is/should be allowed or not.

What I noticed in this forum, there are many making trolls especially those high ranking members. But, when those low ranking member will troll they are very mad or angry. It is something unfair because when high ranking members will troll, some members will also support that high ranking member. Sad reality.

https://i.imgur.com/snvyrFD.png
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4558682.msg41393983#msg41393983

I haven't been the target of his obsession. Perhaps I see him in a different light.

https://i.imgur.com/RBfcE44.png

I have always been confused about what exactly rule 3 was meant to cover. It always seen many cases of what I would consider being trolling but I've never reported a single post for it. I've reported a few of diagran's for off-topic when he's tried to derail one of my threads into a discussion about his obsession with DT. I think that's the easier way to deal with it in general, focus on the other rules they break.

Same feelings here. I don't understand how this user: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=771606
is allowed to write so many nonsense threads in the Ivory Tower and the Serious discussion board, with answers like:


I can't even understand a single word of what this guy writes...

But, anyway, that's why the "ignore button" exists.
But I take your point. They should erase this rule or apply it.

What is trolling? Of course, being completely unpolite, uneducated, pointless, to insult others, to go into a thread and break the discussion by posting nonsenses, menaces or insults to the posters... et al.
It is not so difficult to detect a troll, for it is an attitude towards others and the forum itself, it doesn't happen in just one thread (everyone can troll once or twice in his life), but this is a daily issue, a daily attitude.

So, if the rules are not going to be implemented, then erase them.

I don't really think he's met this qualification, especially the "obviously false nonsense" to an outsider part... and if you are reporting this sort of thing to a mod, I assume you will need a lot of documentation/support to back up the habitual use of obviously false nonsense to an outsider part, and may even have to explain why it's obviously false. Good luck with all that.  :-\    (Ignore is easier...)

Yes you should ban me and start abusing the trust system with your DT masters. ;)

If you really loved this community you would ask theymos to lock your accounts and go away and save everyone the trouble of dealing with your nonsense.

You love us just let us go, and if it's really meant to be we will find our way back to you.  If it is our destiny for you and the forum to be together fate will make it happen.

Please if you love something (this forum) let it go, have faith that it will all be just and righteous in the end!!!!

Actually all the factors apply to digaran here:

If a user is habitually posting obviously false nonsense("obviously false nonsense" to an outsider, NOT to someone who follows or is involved in the discussion) : In a totally irrelevant thread, he posted this:


Just to stir up trouble, then it's considered trolling, which is prohibited: In the same thread he is also stirring up trouble:


There are way more references where digaran was trolling, but should he be banned? Nah. His stupidity is a good thing for this for the forum, he bloviates a lot, his lack of knowledge on how this forum works, is quite amusing.  A temp ban might bring him to senses or or he will start new threads to claim how moderators are abusing their power. And then he will pay someone to sue theymos.  ::)

_{Know where I am getting at?}

I've had digaran on ignore for quite a while now, but he does seem to generate some interesting discussions. I've taken him off ignore in case I'm missing something. :)

I know where you are getting at, shame on you for backing trust abusers and trying to get me banned, and for what? so that you could be noticed by some DT members and they cheer you up either with listing you on their trust list or giving you positive trust? this is really embarrassing to have a groupthink cartel running around this forum to do whatever they want.
Tell me more about how this forum works? is this the right version?

You get on DT and whatever you do should be trusted all the times and if you say something about the wrongdoings of people you should get tagged and then banned?

Or you get on DT and when you start abusing others and build a fake reputation for yourself by the means of positive trust you should get called out and excluded from DT?
I like the second version more.

I don't think you do, and it wasn't pointed at you.

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Now you can't read as well:


You know what, you should be banned. Why? Because you can't understand shit, and you live in a web of lies and fantasies. You're way too reluctant and can't accept the reality.

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That is the opposite of what I want. Stop making up stories,just to prove yourself right, to yourself. That's some next level of patheticness.

Even if I get you banned, why would DT members cheer me, I would only be helping this forum and nothing else. Also, I don't want to be a DT member. Do I have to tell that out explicitly? I didn't come here for that, and I don't have the time to handle more and more trolls like you.

Please don't ban digaran. He'd be back with 500 accounts trying to prove how unfair the ban is.

He never could... or write.... that's how all this started.

The whole digaran getting tagged situation was due to his inability to understand anything or express anything in a way that makes any sense to anyone other than himself.