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Title: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: thedarksun on February 16, 2014, 10:56:52 PM
What do you think? Will we stabilize around 200-400?
I think 1000/btc is now a pipe-dream, even though we have been there before but that was in a time people were blind of Euphoria.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: Ibian on February 16, 2014, 10:57:32 PM
no


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: fonzie on February 16, 2014, 10:58:16 PM
yes


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: spiderbrain on February 16, 2014, 11:01:23 PM
It doesn't look like anyone on any of the real exchanges agrees with you. However, if you have some bitcoins you'd like to sell me for $200 dollars, I'd be keen ;)


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: Cyberlight on February 16, 2014, 11:09:47 PM
1200 dollar is underpriced.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: curehash on February 16, 2014, 11:13:43 PM
It doesn't look like anyone on any of the real exchanges agrees with you. However, if you have some bitcoins you'd like to sell me for $200 dollars, I'd be keen ;)
yes i will take that too for 100$ until OP wake up from his dream.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: Bitcoin BEAR on February 16, 2014, 11:39:13 PM
$1200 is only underpriced for those that bought there, and those that wish they sold there.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: JimboToronto on February 16, 2014, 11:45:12 PM
$1200 is only underpriced for those that bought there, and those that wish they sold there.


There are many who bought at double-digit (or lower) prices who don't consider $1200 to be overpriced.

I think most would consider $200-$400 to be underpriced though.



Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: giantdragon on February 16, 2014, 11:53:13 PM
I look any number below $500 underpiced and would buy coins if have spare funds.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: MatTheCat on February 17, 2014, 12:01:08 AM
Look everyone, it's SuperJimbo!


Calling the Bitcoin bottom all the way down since 2014!

Lets go and have a look through his post history shall we....see what he was saying about Bitcoin last week, and the week before that, and the week before that, etc..


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: TERA on February 17, 2014, 12:01:52 AM
btc doesn't stabilize on a low. it bounces off of a low and then stabilizes at higher level.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: MatTheCat on February 17, 2014, 12:04:48 AM
btc doesn't stabilize on a low. it bounces off of a low and then stabilizes at higher level.

Not in November 2011.

Not in July 2013.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: N12 on February 17, 2014, 12:06:14 AM
btc doesn't stabilize on a low. it bounces off of a low and then stabilizes at higher level.

Not in November 2011.

Not in July 2013.
What? In both instances it did just that.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: knightcoin on February 17, 2014, 12:08:20 AM
In my mind btc = gold


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: donjoe on February 17, 2014, 12:08:30 AM
It has always been at exactly the right price - a numeric expression of the level of public wishful thinking about BTC's future potential. When the wishful thinking decreases the price decreases and when it increases the price increases.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: MatTheCat on February 17, 2014, 12:11:20 AM
btc doesn't stabilize on a low. it bounces off of a low and then stabilizes at higher level.

Not in November 2011.

Not in July 2013.
What? In both instances it did just that.

In July 2013, I can see 7 seperate days when Bitcoin could have been had for less than $70

In November 2011, there are about 10 days when Bitcoin could have been bought for less than $3, and about a whole month when they were less than $3.50.

The argument that $70 and $63 can be compared with $700 and $630 or $2 and $3.50 compared with $200 and $350, is a fasicious one. If you don't think so, then get over to Max coin where the price has quintupled in the last couple of days or whatever, from 0.001 btc to 0.0045.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: TERA on February 17, 2014, 12:12:23 AM
btc doesn't stabilize on a low. it bounces off of a low and then stabilizes at higher level.

Not in November 2011.

Not in July 2013.
What? In both instances it did just that.
I see that in november, 2 was touched twice, briefly for 1-3 days, and there was a range of trading between 2.5 and 3.5 that lasted for 2 months before shooting back up.

In July 2013, it touched the 66 area for 3 days before shooting up to 100, and beginning a gradual incline. 1 month was spent between the 90 and 110 area.

None of this sounds like 'stability'.

The only time btc was ever really stable was when it was at $5 for 3 months.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: MatTheCat on February 17, 2014, 12:16:53 AM
I see that in november, 2 was touched twice, briefly for 1-3 days, and there was a range of trading between 2.5 and 3.5 that lasted for 2 months before shooting back up.

In July 2013, it touched the 66 area for 3 days before shooting up to 100, and beginning a gradual incline. 1 month was spent between the 90 and 110 area.

None of this sounds like 'stability'.

The only time btc was ever really stable was when it was at $5 for 3 months.

But as bottoms go in Bitcoin terms, they were fairly stable. Much more stable than the tops have ever been and stable enough that they seem made out of granite compared with the recent spikes down to $540, which for me, are clearly not the end of the bear market, but are rather showing up pockets of unrealistic enduring positivity under an increasingly darkening cloud of negative sentiment, which will eventually be stamped out.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: TERA on February 17, 2014, 12:21:20 AM
The actual "bottoms" are only hit for a matter of days. It is the level 50% above the bottom that becomes "stable" sometimes. But I don't call that the "bottom" anymore.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: Cyberlight on February 17, 2014, 12:22:53 AM
$1200 is only underpriced for those that bought there, and those that wish they sold there.

1200 dollar is cheap

next year, everyone dreams of 1200 dollar coins


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: MatTheCat on February 17, 2014, 12:41:43 AM
The actual "bottoms" are only hit for a matter of days. It is the level 50% above the bottom that becomes "stable" sometimes. But I don't call that the "bottom" anymore.

Instead of 50%, we can perhaps agree on the area slightly above the bottom becomes stable.

Like I say, $63 and $70 is just not comparable in market terms to $630 and $700.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: cbeast on February 17, 2014, 12:58:05 AM
The waters are muddied not just because of alt coins, but because there are derivative coins dividing the market. If they are what they claim to be, then they will allow Bitcoin to once again surge upward. If they turn out to be pre-mined centralized coins and not decentralized open sourced coins, then they may set faith in Bitcoin back a step. If we see some real innovation that is useful for large business to adapt, then expect another bubble. Innovation is the key to adoption. Right now the price is where it needs to be.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: smoothie on February 17, 2014, 01:56:47 AM
Get ready for the next rocket to likely happen between mid May and the end of July 2014.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: smoothie on February 17, 2014, 01:57:45 AM
The waters are muddied not just because of alt coins, but because there are derivative coins dividing the market. If they are what they claim to be, then they will allow Bitcoin to once again surge upward. If they turn out to be pre-mined centralized coins and not decentralized open sourced coins, then they may set faith in Bitcoin back a step. If we see some real innovation that is useful for large business to adapt, then expect another bubble. Innovation is the key to adoption. Right now the price is where it needs to be.

Not always true.

A buzz or speculative interest or mania can be a key to adoption. But then again what is true adoption defined as?


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: igorr on February 17, 2014, 07:48:46 PM
Will stabilize around 30-40 usd


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: piramida on February 17, 2014, 08:37:08 PM
Will stabilize around 30-40 usd

litecoin will one day, sure igorr. we are talking about bitcoin here.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: cbeast on February 17, 2014, 08:41:02 PM
Will stabilize around 30-40 usd
I presume per millibit, of course.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: JimboToronto on February 17, 2014, 08:41:15 PM
Look everyone, it's SuperJimbo!

silly image ($1200 bitcoins are not overpriced)

Calling the Bitcoin bottom all the way down since 2014!

Lets go and have a look through his post history shall we....see what he was saying about Bitcoin last week, and the week before that, and the week before that, etc..

LOLOLOLOL

Reading comprehension obviously isn't your strong suit.

I didn't say I necessarily thought $1200 coins are not overpriced. I said that many who bought at lower prices thought so.

This was in response to Bitcoin BEAR stating that "$1200 is only underpriced for those that bought there, and those that wish they sold there."

Since 2014? Less than 2 months? LOLOLOLOL

I considered BTC to be underpriced over a year ago at <$15 following an extended recovery from the 2011 bubble, and again last June at <$100 when bears were braying about $30 capitulation and "no more triple digits in 2013". I consider it to be underpriced now at $600.

You bring up my post history? How about yours? Not much between bubbles. LOLOLOL
_________

Sorry for feeding the troll, everyone. I just find it hilariously amusing.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: traderCJ on February 17, 2014, 08:42:51 PM
God I love seeing trolls duke it out.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: JimboToronto on February 17, 2014, 08:47:49 PM
God I love seeing trolls duke it out.

Hey, I did apologize.  :)

I suppose I should just put him on ignore, but where's the fun in that?


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: traderCJ on February 17, 2014, 08:54:38 PM
God I love seeing trolls duke it out.

Hey, I did apologize.  :)

I suppose I should just put him on ignore, but where's the fun in that?

Haha, exactly .. listening to all we nutcases is half the fun :)


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: igorr on February 17, 2014, 09:03:59 PM
The real price will be when mining factor comes below 1 cent per Gh at 24h

This time the decline is real, no more constant growth, which all people expect.
Bitcoin never coming back to 800usd, constantly going to fall with little growth.


The price is three times was artificially raised by mining hardware manufacturer in cooperation with MtGox currency exchange.

http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/648/2805773688.png (http://easycaptures.com/2805773688)View Screen Capture (http://easycaptures.com/2805773688)


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: BTCWizard on February 17, 2014, 09:13:17 PM
Will stabilize around 30-40 usd

litecoin will one day, sure igorr. we are talking about bitcoin here.
lol, indeed.

Wishful thinking, at 30-40usd I'll take a second mortgage to scoop up the coins. :P


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: fonzie on February 17, 2014, 09:15:13 PM
Will stabilize around 30-40 usd

litecoin will one day, sure igorr. we are talking about bitcoin here.
lol, indeed.

Wishful thinking, at 30-40usd I'll take a second mortgage to scoop up the coins. :P

How about sending your money to Mt.Gox they´re dirt cheap over there right now. It´s a bargain. :)


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: Bitcoin_is_here_to_stay on February 17, 2014, 09:22:16 PM
I think better question would be:

at which price you will start to buy coins?

I mean really but, not "I would buy if I was not fully invested" Or "if I had some spare cash"

For me the answer is: well below the current price


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: mp420 on February 17, 2014, 09:23:47 PM
I think the long term goal is about $400. Scalability issues won't permit real growth above that. Current prices are pure bubble logic.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: Ibian on February 17, 2014, 09:26:52 PM
I think the long term goal is about $400. Scalability issues won't permit real growth above that. Current prices are pure bubble logic.
Care to explain that?


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: igorr on February 17, 2014, 09:28:40 PM
The real price will be when mining factor comes below 1 cent per Gh at 24h

This time the decline is real, no more constant growth, which all people expect.
Bitcoin never coming back to 800usd, constantly going to fall with little growth.


The price is three times was artificially raised by mining hardware manufacturer in cooperation with MtGox currency exchange.

http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/648/2805773688.png (http://easycaptures.com/2805773688)View Screen Capture (http://easycaptures.com/2805773688)

You seem to think that bitcoin is dying. If it is the case, do you think all the other altcoins are going to plunge as well or some of them could do better?
Do you have a link to follow the evolution of the mining factor?


Very possible, but I'm not sure about other crypto coins

Link to follow all tehnical data and the follow hottest threads on Bitcointalk.org of the last 24h : http://blockchained.com/




Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: gentlemand on February 17, 2014, 09:30:04 PM
I think the long term goal is about $400. Scalability issues won't permit real growth above that. Current prices are pure bubble logic.

Eh?


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: mp420 on February 17, 2014, 09:31:18 PM
I think the long term goal is about $400. Scalability issues won't permit real growth above that. Current prices are pure bubble logic.
Care to explain that?

We are nearing the 1MB block size limit, and I think we have been in a bubble since $20, at least. Judging from the number of transactions vs. Bitcoin price, $400 looks like 1MB in the long term, disregarding the current bubble.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: JimboToronto on February 17, 2014, 09:34:06 PM
The price is three times was artificially raised by mining hardware manufacturer in cooperation with MtGox currency exchange.

LOL

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv10/JimboToronto/tin-foil-hat.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/user/JimboToronto/media/tin-foil-hat.jpg.html)


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: Ibian on February 17, 2014, 09:35:15 PM
I think the long term goal is about $400. Scalability issues won't permit real growth above that. Current prices are pure bubble logic.
Care to explain that?

We are nearing the 1MB block size limit, and I think we have been in a bubble since $20, at least. Judging from the number of transactions vs. Bitcoin price, $400 looks like 1MB in the long term, disregarding the current bubble.
Block size has been brought up before. Sounds like a fixable problem.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: gentlemand on February 17, 2014, 09:36:46 PM
I think the long term goal is about $400. Scalability issues won't permit real growth above that. Current prices are pure bubble logic.
Care to explain that?

We are nearing the 1MB block size limit, and I think we have been in a bubble since $20, at least. Judging from the number of transactions vs. Bitcoin price, $400 looks like 1MB in the long term, disregarding the current bubble.

But a $5 billion market cap doesn't make Bitcoin useful for very much at all. If it were to be used solely for a small proportion of remittances a few days of transactions would gobble that up.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: Mythul on February 17, 2014, 10:25:56 PM
It will grow again. 2014 could be a slow year but the overall trend is up. Our worst enemy is patience since historically hodling is the best strategy so far, long term at least.


Title: Re: BTC has been overpriced all along? Will stabilize around 200-400?
Post by: aminorex on February 18, 2014, 01:15:56 AM
But a $5 billion market cap doesn't make Bitcoin useful for very much at all. If it were to be used solely for a small proportion of remittances a few days of transactions would gobble that up.

But the bitcoin can be recycled quite a few times during the course of a year.

Anyhow, remittance use is only just beginning.  I doubt bitcoin has penetrated even 1% of the remittance market yet.  Remittances can be expected to become a major part of the fundamental value over a 2 year time frame, but they are not yet signficant.  It's too hard to convert BTC to Som or Cedi, still.

My current fundamental value estimate is 640 USD.  Expect it to trade at a discount during the current stressed conditions.