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Title: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: Emilstud on July 20, 2018, 03:26:33 PM Hi, how satoshi could be anonymous when he was the first and only node (9th of January 2009)? You cannot run a server over tor aren‘t ? Did he rent an anonymous server ? Has anybody informations about that ?
Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: aleksej996 on July 20, 2018, 06:43:30 PM You can't get incoming connections over Tor without other peers also using Tor, that is correct.
I doubt he would've used it anyway. Perhaps he took great care and never ran Bitcoin from home in the begging, but I doubt it. Now that IP address he used is lost in time, but I am sure government recorded it and still have it. It was always reasonable to assume that government knew who Satoshi is, in my opinion, once they were interested enough to find out. I assume they started bothering him once Wikileaks started using Bitcoin to get around the banking blockade. As far as I know, he announced he was leaving the project soon after that. Bitcoin just became too high profile. Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: wyplashdea on July 20, 2018, 07:03:00 PM I was wondering the same thing some days ago. There must be some kind of traceable connection that will give information about that, the first steps...
Goverments know enough to at leats reduce the list of candidates but the fact that he is still unknown makes BTC even more interesting. ;) Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: Emilstud on July 20, 2018, 08:20:11 PM In the bitcoin source code is a hardcoded peer list aren‘t it ? The hardcoded list should exist in v0.1 otherwise I couldn‘t imagine how the peers found each other abd the installation guide by satoshi said that you just need to extract the zip file and run BITCOIN.EXE.
Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: achow101 on July 21, 2018, 03:10:05 AM In the bitcoin source code is a hardcoded peer list aren‘t it ? The hardcoded list should exist in v0.1 otherwise I couldn‘t imagine how the peers found each other abd the installation guide by satoshi said that you just need to extract the zip file and run BITCOIN.EXE. In the very first version of Bitcoin (0.1.0), there were no hard coded nodes at all. Rather Bitcoin used an IRC channel to announce your node's IP address and allow other nodes to discover other nodes to connect to. Originally there was no way to specify which nodes to connect to.One of the anonymous email providers that Satoshi used also provides anonymous VPSes. Presumably Satoshi used a VPS to host his node so as to hide his true IP address. He also probably had multiple nodes. It is trivial to prevent a node from announcing itself to the public IRC channel and to prevent incoming connections so an outgoing connection only node is still fairly anonymous. Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: wyplashdea on July 21, 2018, 12:14:54 PM So we must understand the Satoshi was quite aware of what would happen so he decide to hide himself from the beginning? Isn't it a little suspicious?
Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: anullcoin on July 21, 2018, 12:57:09 PM So we must understand the Satoshi was quite aware of what would happen so he decide to hide himself from the beginning? Isn't it a little suspicious? not for a cryptoanarchist. Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: samtasse1488 on July 21, 2018, 03:47:29 PM He had a possible team of his friends or acquaintances. Then they simply monitored the network anonymity. Perhaps they had a large security network at that time and it was completely anonymous.
Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: andrew1carlssin on July 21, 2018, 04:01:57 PM Hi, how satoshi could be anonymous when he was the first and only node (9th of January 2009)? You cannot run a server over tor aren‘t ? Did he rent an anonymous server ? Has anybody informations about that ? I was wondering if bitcoin boot up was more or less like tor network boot up ... Alice node will need the minimum of three keys (k1, k2 and k3, to split the message among nodes .. Quick explanation Onion Routing - Computerphile https://youtu.be/QRYzre4bf7I https://i.imgur.com/jZqsW5T.png Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: cellard on July 21, 2018, 06:09:53 PM You can't get incoming connections over Tor without other peers also using Tor, that is correct. I doubt he would've used it anyway. Perhaps he took great care and never ran Bitcoin from home in the begging, but I doubt it. Now that IP address he used is lost in time, but I am sure government recorded it and still have it. It was always reasonable to assume that government knew who Satoshi is, in my opinion, once they were interested enough to find out. I assume they started bothering him once Wikileaks started using Bitcoin to get around the banking blockade. As far as I know, he announced he was leaving the project soon after that. Bitcoin just became too high profile. I think someone confirmed that he was using Tor for all his online profiles, including this forum, p2pfoundation profile website, and the bitcoin mailing list originally on sourceforge website I think: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto https://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/code/1/tree//trunk/ Also to access all his emails. To run the actual node probably VPS. I wonder what the state of VPN services was in 2009. Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: Yurkov on July 22, 2018, 06:19:15 PM Hi, how satoshi could be anonymous when he was the first and only node (9th of January 2009)? You cannot run a server over tor aren‘t ? Did he rent an anonymous server ? Has anybody informations about that ? If he made something like bitcoin and he started the "crypto" market that mean he was to clever to made himself not anonymus, he thought 1000 times how to made his server private before he started doing anything. Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: Pixel_Boss on July 22, 2018, 07:13:56 PM Hi, how satoshi could be anonymous when he was the first and only node (9th of January 2009)? You cannot run a server over tor aren‘t ? Did he rent an anonymous server ? Has anybody informations about that ? If he made something like bitcoin and he started the "crypto" market that mean he was to clever to made himself not anonymus, he thought 1000 times how to made his server private before he started doing anything. Definitely clever enough, but I don't think he'd correctly anticipated Bitcoin's future and decided on day 1 that he's going to go full length to make sure all of his activities are anonymous. Just my thought. Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: Emilstud on July 23, 2018, 02:06:16 PM The most known day 1 bitcoin users are now dead :(. (Hal Finney, Dave Kleiman) so we cannot ask them for their logs. Maybe another bitcoin pioneer still have logs.
Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: danda on July 23, 2018, 03:37:15 PM I wonder if there are logs of that IRC channel from back in 2009/2010 somewhere...
or for that matter, ~/.bitcoin/debug.log from some time period... Rather Bitcoin used an IRC channel to announce your node's IP address and allow other nodes to discover other nodes to connect to. Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: CHENIEN on July 23, 2018, 11:51:51 PM This is how cryptocurrency business being managed, the anonymity system. We are here also joins with anonymity of our personal informations, that no what knows who we are, even both of us discussing with different opinions and ideas but still we are using anonymous profile that no one knows about our personal identity and places or even our life status and life situation. This is how good cryptocurrency business being manage, and we accept the fact that cryptocurrency business are fully being anonymous.
Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: btj on July 24, 2018, 02:03:27 AM I think there was more than 1 node when he launched it, if that was the case then anyone else was able to take control of the blockchain at that time.
Second thing, is the domain name bitcoin.org, how he used to purchase it ? Purhapse any anonymous payment method at that time like Liberty Reserve or ... But at that time, why he would manage to keep him self anonymous with this revolutionary technology ? except if he didn't want that someone will make pressure on him in the futur to stop or limit it. Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: Emilstud on July 24, 2018, 12:34:36 PM I think there was more than 1 node when he launched it, if that was the case then anyone else was able to take control of the blockchain at that time. Second thing, is the domain name bitcoin.org, how he used to purchase it ? Purhapse any anonymous payment method at that time like Liberty Reserve or ... But at that time, why he would manage to keep him self anonymous with this revolutionary technology ? except if he didn't want that someone will make pressure on him in the futur to stop or limit it. He bought it at AnonymousSpeech. Probably he used somethibg like paysafecard. The only guy who had the ability to know who satoshi really is, is Mr. Weber the owner of anonymousspeech. But if he cares about the privacy of his user, he already deleted this infos Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: Smarty14392 on July 25, 2018, 05:33:36 AM Yes, we can say that he could use a tor server as it is near to impossible to track it and Satoshi could also be using an anonymous service for himself to protect his identity as he was concerned about it from the start of the development process.
Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: raymondspeaks on July 25, 2018, 05:48:20 PM He could have paid a kid in India to do it for him. I think there are many ways around the full-node theory
Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: Emilstud on July 25, 2018, 06:26:33 PM He could have paid a kid in India to do it for him. I think there are many ways around the full-node theory But how he paid the kid anonymously ? Probably not with bitcoins Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: southafricadude on July 25, 2018, 10:15:16 PM I am sure he would have used an IP that could not easily be traced back to him...every other angle was covered, the IP would be the most obvious and probably the first thing he secured.
Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: Jaycee99 on July 31, 2018, 01:26:45 AM Hi, how satoshi could be anonymous when he was the first and only node (9th of January 2009)? You cannot run a server over tor aren‘t ? Did he rent an anonymous server ? Has anybody informations about that ? A really good question that got me on to thinking mode how did really satoshi did that? But here are the thing that could possibly got me thinking he got to work and make all of this its because the number, the obvious 1. He is a mad genius when it comes to making and moving everything here in the website. 2. Also he maybe anonymous for the reason he created something worth more and price pooping. 3. Like others her got anonymous because he wants to keeps his identity safe. Got to ready something about this before but if they truly say what is his identity it can be other people not Japanese,Chinese or korean we have no proof only the person who is relatives or close to satoshi can know. We have some fact but in reality do we really believe that this is legit, a true information that could spread? no one really knows only speculation and beliefs because of written facts saying thatbthis person is satoshi itself. Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: AndreaPhillips on July 31, 2018, 04:28:30 AM Not only the Satoshi, we are all anonymous. His disappearance after creating bitcoin is to protect his life from the Mafia. He could be any one of the 7 billion people in the world. When he created this crypto, no one knew who he was in the world.
Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: adamantasaurus on July 31, 2018, 04:53:04 AM Hmm, well I think it is pretty easy to remain anonymous and Im sure he was smart enough to cover all his bases in this sense. If he hadn't Im sure someone (most likely an ABC agency) would have found out who he/they were by now.
Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: FreeEarnsActivist on July 31, 2018, 08:54:13 AM So we must understand the Satoshi was quite aware of what would happen so he decide to hide himself from the beginning? Isn't it a little suspicious? Well it depends. I doubt he would predict the future of his project, but he was smart enough to use a made up name to begin with. Title: Re: How satoshi could be anonymous when he was the only full-node ? Post by: buwaytress on July 31, 2018, 09:33:29 AM So we must understand the Satoshi was quite aware of what would happen so he decide to hide himself from the beginning? Isn't it a little suspicious? Well it depends. I doubt he would predict the future of his project, but he was smart enough to use a made up name to begin with. I remember when people asked me also why I never used my name online, or why my username or anything like that didn't approach my real details. Thought that view of suspicion was a legacy of the 1990s, but I guess we'll still have people immediately assuming that the need/requirement for privacy = the intention to hide illegal/suspicious activity. Why is it so suspicious to want to maintain privacy? And even if the intent was to hide, for whatever reason, why is that suspicious? Bitcoin was never intended to have a "leader" or "figurehead", which is a huge hint that tells you anyone claiming to be Satoshi isn't. |
