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The subject title says it all!
My hopes and dreams are centered around cryptos and I really wish for a good outcome for all!
To be honest the situation is not a pretty picture!
I think a lot of people have lost money and if you are one of those people you have my sympathy: We all deserve a better life and the good thing is that you are trying. It is better to try than to do nothing!
The Alts are a complete bloodbath to say the least!
We can only hope for a successful outcome!
I am prepared to go down with stoploss levels: After that I will have to pick up the pieces if the SEC trash this market!

Every business has losses and profits. It takes time, patience and knowledge to get a good profit. Crypto world is unstable. It can give you huge profits and also huge losses. So it is really important to be smart while investing in crypto.

The crypto world is uncertain. Everyone should be very careful because a simple mistake can cause a big loss. So if anyone researches properly and invests wisely then chance of loss is very less.

I don’t think they are dead. Many people might have lost their money but you will find lots of people who have already gained huge profit from crypto and still going with it.

There are so such news on the internet or in the social medias regarding this. This may be a hoax and it is better to not pay heed to such news. Such a big thing will not go unnoticed. None of the mentioned coins are dead.

I agree with you by trying to get something when something goes wrong we can make it a lesson to fix it if it is true it can make our reference to the next step, so never be afraid to try.

Don't be too negative ok, just continue doing your crypto related things and always keep on dreaming the dream. It is just a matter of time before that can be approved and I feel that we are getting closer and closer everyday. Let's be patient.

If Bitcoin was dead, people wouldn't have been still in this platform creating and growing mass success to the idea of digital currency. 

I think that this is that subject that we all are waiting for to happen but if it will not happen I would say that we will survive anyway may be discouraged but anyway.

The most important thing to survive in crypto world is to have patience. All we need is to be patience right now. I don’t think that alt and bitcoin will be dead that soon. I hope very soon they will get ETF approval

Yes if it does not try we will not get experience. Loss in business the usual thing. it just takes time to change everything. the more experience in the conversation, everyone will benefit.

Look at the market now sir, everything is going to be fine.
the bear season is over and we are starting the time of bullish market.
all the doubts will start to change again.

Crypto community survives last year even this ETF wasn't  approved so whats the difference between now and last year?bitcoon will survive and grow even without this ETF and altcoin will follow what bitcoins future so stop relying on this one

But youre rigjt when you have mentioned that its better to lose trying than do nothing at all because the bigger the risk of our investments is the bigger chances of gaining big

The ETF approval is something we essentially need. ETF is like a security and a system like Bitcoin or any other altcoins really need ETF. So, in one word it's actually like Bitcoin and Altcoins are nothing without ETF , the community badly needs the ETF approval.

with or without ETF, many peoples still believe with crptopcurrency, cryptocurrency is a revolution, Government soon will realize it and support it, it only the matter of time.

We live that kind of situations in almost every year. You should get used to it. Many people have experience and now they are really relax and comfortable like me.

What are you trying to say? Bitcoin has existed without any ETF approval and survived, so what's the big difference without it? Yeah I know that we have been in the worst situation for more than half a year but it doesn't mean that you should go out of the market because you are tired seeing the price just free fall.

We are making a headway now because of the ETF news so we might see exciting times ahead. If you want to have a good life then do something about it and do anything in your control and power to steer your future in a better way, just saying.

What if the ETF was approved then?

More dumb claims from clueless noobs. How in the fuck is the ETF giving any security to Bitcoin? how is Bitcoin nothing ETF?

The ETF is just a way for investors to filter in more USD into Bitcoin. It raises the price, but it's completely irrelevant for it's security, system, or anything technical. The people that use the ETF aren't even relevant, they don't hold BTC which is all that matters.

Would it be nice to pump the USD price? I guess so, there is always a nice dopamine rush when it pumps, but fundamentals wise it is pretty irrelevant as far as Bitcoin is concerned. All that matters is the asset being held or moved itself, not government issued options.

You have lost money if something is sold at a lower price,and if you have coins, then you have not lost anything do not sell them until you earn everything.

How i wish the ETF will approve that on September. Alot of traders are hyping the market. Alts are dead for now. Panic sellers will sell their alts and convert to btc which very bad for loss/ I'll wait for a big recover by next month. Btc going side ways ofcourse..

I don't know why people hyping it on the market? Seems that everybody are buying into bitcoin and alts. I saw some chart that it s totally overbought. how i wish
i have fiat currency to invest in btc and alts and wait for a big bull run.

If the ETF is rejected, this causes great damage to the entire crypto currency market.
Many altcoins are already standing like last summer. And in the case of the fall of bitcoin - there will be a panic

I do not think so. Just be patient and you will see that the altcoins will go up. Bitcoin is always the first and only after a couple of days go up or down altcoins. In addition, it is impossible not to accept the fact that the rules of the game have changed, but still the general trend is difficult to break.

Alternative cryptocurencies could not be dead because of their huge contribution to the crypto at all. I am sure they will be so improtant on th future as well.

I don't understand why you make such loud statements. Crypto gathered around itself an incredibly powerful community and continues to collect every day. A lot of projects are already tied to crypto, millions of people invest, buy and sell altcoins every day. And while this movement is alive then ALTs also are alive.

Altcoins will catch up with Bitcoin, the question is only when and with what grade. This has already been when Bitcoin's dominance is growing in the market. I think that this is an excuse to talk about the fact that the growing market has started and we do not have long to wait until the altcoins season begins.

You just needed to research more before make an assumptions, the market behaves the same patterned and even without etf things will continue, just like what happen last year even etf got denied value continue to rise high and achieved higher height, we should need continue chasing every chances that this industry has given us, ignore the fud and patiently wait.

You have actually indirectly raised a very important question - which alts shall survive?

Bitcoin aside, the only alts which shall survive are those who are adhering to current regulatory guidelines and preparing for future ones, and those who are positioning themselves with legitimate corporate backers and governments.

I'd argue that most will not be able to fulfil this, so only a minority will survive post regulatory announcements.

Thankfully EnergiToken is positioning itself nicely in this regard, so we shall see what happens ;).

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What made you to come to this conclusion? I don't think any of these are dead and has any possibility to die in near future. Both are doing pretty good and now the price is on a increase too. DOn't spread such negativity uselessly.

Very frustrating friend, calmly do not pump too much of your blood in our life there will be time to collapse and there is time to win, just like crypto market, it will not always be good where there is period of saturation in the near future, doing everything you do not can continue to complain, do not make a fatal mistake like you cape not serious for now and do not get good results after the market is extraordinary, it will be very painful.

These are dark days!

Seems BTC is again the money magnet.

At least this dip today showed us what possibly is going to happen to the alts if the ETF would be rejected - but then we are talking about crypto, everything is possible...

I have always believed that the cryptocurrency market will usher in a better tomorrow. I don't think Bitcoin lost its ETF just like losing its life. In the past few years, Bitcoin without ETFs has survived very well and has been rising!

We don't need this etf blah blah blah
We need an improvement proposals/technical developments. Please look for them and not for the news speculations

you lost money because you fell for the lies and the shinny ads that you were seeing all over the internet. in other words because you invested in altcoins while you were closing your eyes on the fact that they were pump and dumps. now you have learned it but you still want to deny it.

as for your title, it is not true at all. altcoins are not dead because they are still pump and dumps. they are just getting dumped then eventually they will be pumped again when newbies were kicked out of the market.
and bitcoin does not need ETF to be "alive". it is strong and getting stronger just like it has been for 9 years without ETF.

I think that the digital money market is only developing,we must be ready for growth and for a fall.The main thing is to be in the right place with the right cryptocurrency.

I think crypto is here to stay for a long, long time.
Mt. Gox, Jamie D of JPM and all that bad news didn't bring the crypto market down.

It's just hibernating at the moment.

Bitcoin had suvived this almost 10 years of existing without ETF so what do you mean for this?this is just an extra progress for cryptocurrency specially bitcoin.but not to the extent  that we will be relying on this ETF

Altcoins and bitcoin will remain strong without this ,so dont make false issue for others because your not helping budz

I see well why you are stuck at 0 merit

At the moment, there is a high probability that bitcoin will pass through ETF, so there is no need to worry about that.
However, as the encrypted money market becomes more popular, more ALT will pass through ETF in the future.

Dear Friend Cryptocurrency will soon hit mainstream &  BITCOIN ETF will be approved for sure in near future which will peg the way for cryptocurrency to hit mainstream. Media's are creating FOMO & than FUD, You have to be smart to tackle this FOMO & FUD. If you are in loss just hold it for longer and if you are in level just move out your seeded money and trade with the profit. Crypto world is like bed of roses with thorns, When we get profits we feel the roses and become happy &  when we get the losses we feel the thorns. If you are in the crypto world you have to accept this Ups and down because of its volatile nature and this will going to happen every time. Just invest in good coins for long time & if the project you have invested is great than it will surely give you profit in future.

A lot of people in the world of cryptocurrency have been pinning their hopes (and also dreams I guess) with the approval of the SEC for the ETF applications pending on its office and halls. Now, the SEC must be feeling like they are the gods that can withdraw or hand down the decision that can change the course of Bitcoin (which can affect all players and participants in the same marketplace). Let's hope then that soon one of these applications can be approved though there is now a big doubt after the negative on the ETF application of the Winklevoss twins. But should the future of Bitcoin be hinged on ETF? In my view, ETF can help a lot but it should not be taken as do-or-die otherwise we are now putting Bitcoin in the hands of the government agency. Just saying my small point of view...

you loss money because of selling it early that is why it is important to be patience. crypto market is recovering opposite to what you are saying that it is dead. how do you deserve a better life if you think negative? mostly people that spread FUD are people that think negative.

Until now, cryptocurrencies existed without ETFs and they did quite well. There is no reason to think that it will be different now. After the information about ETF, the market has not collapsed so there is nothing to fear. And the price exceeded 8K $. ETF is not a factor that will cause cryptocurrency to collapse.

2017 SEC has rejected EFT for the first time. Then the price of bitcoin has increased from 4000$ to 19800$ and the market capitalization reached $ 800 billion. I think the market does not need the influence of EFT. So in 2018 this market will be okay if the SEC rejects the second

I am sure totally that alternative cryptocurrency won't be dead because altcoins' being significant is too important in the cryptomarket's development.

You are very wrong!