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before I start this discussion, I apologize in advance if my opinion is wrong.

if I think who makes ICO coin price down is from these factors :

the ICO maker gives a huge bonus, for example the price of ICO 1 ETH = 100,000 coin X and bonuses earned by 50%, then he will get 150,000 coin X, so when coin X enter the exchange, the investor will sell at the price of 1 ETH = 130,000 coin X and he still get profit of 0.15384615 ETH, and if he buys as much as 10 ETH then he will get profit of 1.5384615 ETH and this is only a simulation if the bonus is 50%, so what if the ICO gives a bonus of 100-200%? then I am sure the price of the coin will be greatly decreased.

so I think a lot of people are wrong, who think the factor that makes ICO coins down is the bounty hunter, because the allocation given by the bounty hunter is only 1-3% of the coin sale, so it is unlikely to me from such a small allocation can make the coin price down very much.

this is my opinion, so if my opinion is wrong then i am very apologize to you guys.

Of course, there are so many guys just wanna blame every mistake to bounty hunter while they didn't know anything. LOL. I don't think 1 - 2% of total supply amount can affect too much to price of any token. There are so many other factors affect to price of token from ICO project like down trend, whales, shark, investors,......but bounty hunter is always the target to be blamed. LOL.

ICOs do not earn anymore. It does not make sense to invest. Two of the three ICOs are in harm. There is no sense of being an early investor anymore.

maybe your opinion is right,
but, bounty hunters will make the price down, but for a while
now most of project down, when listed on exchange from the beginning,,
and most of bounty rewards will be distributed after the token already listed on exchange

 

I Totally agree with you. Don't blame us (Bounty Hunter).
We are only supporter that help the project grow and spread.


Yes, that is the solution for Us, that always blamed after price going down.
But, sometimes will be problem to Bounty hunter.
We get the coin after the coin price going down.
So, we only get little USD reward.

You are right, and in my opinion, sometimes from the developer who also sells Token / Coin hinnga the price is down deliberately unnoticed by others.
but not all developers.

Yes, you are absolutely right. Many investors who buy tokens in the ICO at a discount of 50 percent, immediately after listing this token on the exchange, sell them and receive huge profits. From this, the rate of this token falls. In addition, it must also be taken into account that the ICO team, in order to increase interest in its token, intentionally overstates the value of its tokens and when they appear on the exchange, they immediately fall in price.

Bonus is the biggest attraction to attract investors. Not all investors will choose to sell it, but most of them do sell because it tempted with the profit to be generated.
Bounty hunters have no great effect. in my opinion from a very small allocation when compared to the allocation of bonuses to investors is not comparable. The decline in prices here has many factors, such as the FUD that triggered investors to sell all the assets that he had, and the decline in prices that occur because the sale of these assets trigger other people to sell all the assets he has as well.

I believed that the contributors of ICOs price falls down after the token were unlock to the market are 1st was the investors because of their huge bonuses and they purchased their tokens at the cheaper price, then 2nd  the bounties in which we can't blame them because they have joined the bounty because they need the money as their source of other income and Finally i just heard that the ICO owners are already selling a huge amount of their tokens too for them to recover the expenses and to ensure their profits.

I can't agree more, therefore I'm not interested with ICO projects that provide big discounts/bonuses on their pre-sales/private-sales "unless they have a way to avoid investors who dump bonus coins in the short term" eg: Bonus coins will be distributed to investors after 2 months ICO ended

maybe yes, if the dev team sell their token earlier,, because they didn't reach the hard cap then they need more funds to develop the project too
because the project only hit the soft cap
but, bonus is the main issue,, sometimes in private sale bonus up to 100% so, you buy 1 you get 1

Most ico coins are doomed, they will eventually fail because there were no good structure even in ico stage as only goal was to raise money as much as possible from investors  :)

I agree with you. The investor is drained the price in the projects and without bounty. It's just convenient to blame the bounty hunter. Huge bonuses as insurance against losses. Fix the profit. Look at ENDOR. Bounty wasn't. According to the initial information, there were no bonuses either. Later, when the sale was closed, it turned out about 70% of the bonus for privat-sale. Now look at the price chart. Who's dumped?)

The bonus thing is a way to get more investors and that's okay because there's a time of period on how long they can invest.

And another thing is that not all ICOs who are offering bonuses becomes successful.

you don't need to apologize for a speculation that you have, even if it is wrong. as long as you have reasonable explanation for it.

and it sounds about right to me.
but it is only one of the many reasons why ICO prices get dumped like this. the main reason at least is the fact that everyone wants to get their money out as fast as possible. they know that they have made a bet and they want to know the result of their gambler as soon as possible and they don't have any faith in the thing they invested in at all. so they dump as fast as they can and the prices crash like this. and since there is no demand for these tokens they can never go back up again.

I agree you raised some great points about the huge bonuses been giving out by ICOs. However, I also think some people looking for quick $$ and if the ICO don't deliver that straightaway they freak out and sell at market price.

** Keep in mind we're in a bear market, and not much volume getting in new projects after listing.

Exactly. Token prices are not affected by bounty hunters. % for rewards only 1-2%. And prices are down because of the investors buying ICO. Surely, they will sell it all when the token is listed at some exchange to make a profit. Since they never hold the ICO token

With such a low allocation to bounty hunters they are not the main dumpers. Pre-sale investors do the bulk of the dumping for a quick easy profit as soon as it hits the exchanges

If there is no demand, it will either way decrease though there is speculation, exchange listings or coin burn etc. There must be a very solid demand for the coin.

This is the fact, ICO price drops because of the bounty hunters, imagine there are lots of participants in the bounty and they sell all their coins what would the effect of the actions in the market, of course it will become red.

In my opinion, bounty hunters maybe partly fault but nit as a whole. Early investors might be the huge cause of coin dumping when listed on exchange. Majority of bounty hunters hold their token at least 3 months before they sell it. 

That's a lot done by big profit hunters, giving 50% discount in first sale risky, if ICO done and put in stock with high price then profit to sell it with high price, big disposal and what happened? yes they forget it after fulfilling their needs once it's done, in a short period of time has been a disaster for the project developers, all the lessons for the ICO team to be more detailed in the marketing of a token / coin, maybe all will be back in control in the absence of errors be repeated.

The reason of the prices of ICO going down ca be debatable, however it is true that bounty hunters are not the one who are doing the dump as the allocation is very small in the market. It can be the investors for losing trust in the project or even whales and pump and dump group that would want to manipulate it as it is much easier to control than established cryptocurrencies. Also I think that bonuses does not contribute to the dump as the prices of the ICO is dictated by the community and investors that putted money into the project.

I totally agree with you - bonuses are very tricky, and generally threat the price of token on the first exchanges. Expected value of a token when entering the first exchange is lower because every investor will count in bonuses. Huge bonuses shift investment decisions of smart investors.

Yes I agree with you, everyone knows huge bonus are key factors to price dump and that's more reason i don't participate in any ICO that gives bonus or any sort, also token lock up period can be a factor, if the lock up of team tokens is like 1 -3 months, after that they will start dumping, which will make the price to even go down the more.

I agree, it can never affect from 1-2% as of the allocation and I don't see any reason for the early birds to not sell after its a common thing and it surely will affect the value of the certain coin as they negate and deny the coins after buying it cheap. Another thing down trend won't affect too as long as the holders will support and won't sell less than the supposed price.

I believe any ico that offers more than 100% bonus can be considered as another scam ico. In fact he majority of private and pre-sale investors will always try to sell their coin when they get a little profit from there because they can earn it instantly.

Big bonus from presale will make price down, airdrop will make price down, and of course bounty hunter will make price down. if u say 2-3% allocation for bounty hunter will not affect the price too much, then it's the whales who dump their bonus with a purpose to buyback in lower price. whales trigger, some stupid bounty hunter continue the dump.
yes 2-3% will not make big dump but they are who keep the price low for longer time

Most of the reasons you all have indicated is clearly the reasons why the prices hit so low on exchange. But if the team behind projects are competent enough on what they're doing, they could bounce back the price. The problem is the team behind each scam projects are just focusing on and before the project is listed, and not minding what will happen after it hits exchange. Those all can be prevented if the project are well planned including the factors that would affect their coins/tokens AFTER it hits exchange. Right now, I still have faith on ICO projects based on the team behind them, currently I have been following EOT and MENLO.

I believed your opinion or prediction was right in some aspect i.e the bounty hunters not be the reason behind ICO coins loose it value as soon it get listed on exchange. However, the price of coin during the ICO does not determine the bullish of the project in future because the team master plan determine that.

In my opinion, because there are so many pennies in existence, they compete with each other so the supply is too great, but while the demand is small, the price of coins is constantly decreasing.

What.? Are you sure of your statement? its seem you are also a bounty participant, you probably already know the total tokens allocated to bounty hunters only 1-3% of the total tokens sales and the more participants means the fewer tokens they get. and even then only a small portion that sells their token at the beginning of the token listed on exchange and for some others holding back, waiting until the market is completely stable because they do not want the they hard work get in vain
so what is possible if they cause the price drops in the market.? if even there affect thats only for a while

Huge bonuses has its effect. Most times, those tokens might have never been sold if not for the promise of huge bonuses.
Marketing is a tricky issue. Also the general market is down. Sine tokens which offered huge bonuses to investors are selling at a loss to those investors (bonuses included).

I think dump of ICO tokens happen because of big bonuses and no lock for private investors or because of bad projects with no exchanges and bad liquidity, that's in my opinion top 2 answers. And of course when demand is less than supply. :)

I'm not messing with ICOs until they go through Menlo One's review/ICO marketplace system. Rating websites like ICObench or ICOrating are generally useful, but not 100% accurate since I've joined some of their recommend projects which turned out to be empty promises.

I think, The trend and condition of the market is not to support the new altcoin at this time. Long-term downtrend has a big impact on investor sentiment. In part, the overwhelming reliance on bitcoin and ETH has been counterproductive.

Yes with the allocation only 1-3 % usually i think isn't too make price of coin will be down.The actually the price of coin the holder and developer is significant make the coin down

You kinda right though,  it's true that the allocation for bounty hunter is kinda low but it also plays a major role in dumping,  the bonus aspect is where each project needs to be caution of because such bonus will definitely lead to huge dump

Most of the newly released ICO tokens to exchanges build their volume first so it is more likely that they are starting with a small volume as things get started to accumulate, There's a lot of factors to consider and to view why the ICO tokens dumped so quickly right after the exchange release, huge bonuses and discounts as the OP stated, dev team are selling, circulating supply, airdrops and bounty hunters, as you can see right after the dump some of the tokens started to recover.

You are right, huge bonus makes the price of coins to go down, it doesn't matter how many months, or years locked up, you placed on the tokens, and that's more reason I don't normally participate in any ICO that offers huge bonus, I prefer no bonus ICO.

And the blame goes to the bounty hunters by these portion when the coin that everyone invested goes down after it gets to any exchange.
I also think that's not enough to put all the blame to the bounty hunters although there's a force if they sell at the same time.

No one is wrong out here, we have our own different kinds of disputes regarding the price decrease when new ICO coin is released on exchanged. Mine is that it depends on how popular it is, if it is interesting and people are caught in it- then surely they will buy and that will cause the price surge. Bounty hunters can affect the price also, you see if the ICO ended and all they have sold is around 30% of the total coin or less, and bounty allocation is around 1-3%, when the time it is available on exchange, hunters would dump it and thus bringing the coin down.

I believe that people who say that bounty hunters are to blame for the ICOs' falling price, they have no idea how the market works, a dump of 1 or 3% of the coins is not going to ruin the project overnight, what happens is that the project did not have a successful ICO and investors did not see much future, so they decided to sell to at least recover some of what they lost.

From this point of bonuses offered you will distinguish whos scam or not though not totally truth but the majority is right.the big bonus offered is the big chances of being scammers

But most of your point is true that the high promises of bonuses are the one factor that when it was available in exchanges the value drops down because of more volume than the capital,but this is the way how to attract investors the bigger bonus they get is the more attractive it gets

Nothing wrong you are in fact correct, when the developers give bonuses to the early investors they are only creating incentives to sell as fast as possible this is why I do not invest in any ico that gives those kind of bonuses since most of the time that means that the price is going down in the near future, if the coin is any good the early investors already have a huge advantage over everyone, why do they need a bonus?

I agree that ICObench is not really that accurate in terms of their ratings, but how sure are you that Menlo One won't be just another carbon copy of icobench? Can we trust its current high ratings?

It can affect so much dude, I think we should to look at the situation with ICO from bird view, and they're lots of variables that affect on ICO dropping/growing. About ICOs I'm interested in investing into Kelvin Blockchain, you heard about this? What's your upcoming projects on which you're focused?  ;) ;)

As expected which those impressions would really put up into bounty hunters when theres a price dump when the token is just being listed and then suddenly dumps out without even realizing that the main dumpers is the investors itself. Yes, those bounty hunters can really make some effect on a tokens price but come to think 1-2% of the token supply wont really hurt that much if we do see it as a whole.

Yeah you are huge bonus is one of the reason why some ICO coin is always down, also bounty hunters sometimes plays a role in making the coins of an ICO to go down, if you have noticed, any time they share bounty token, the coin normally dump, because bounty hunters will sell at any given price.

ICOs that promise  a percentage of more than 90 percent is a RED flag for me that it won't go anywhere and the team might be scammers that is enticing investors. For 50 percent bonus is quite normal for early investors and I always think they are the cause of the price dumb and not bounty hunters.

yes, the prize hunters are not to blame, they hold only a very small number of coins and can be only 1% of the total, and not all of the bounty hunters sell instantly the rewards they get.

Yes most of them are only holding that portion so they are not to blame. It can be the developers that doesn't really have plans to support and go long term with their coin with their partners and investors. And the rest who invested that made them believe that they have potential will be left behind.

ICO token price dump just because project behind each token is not good enough to make their tokens go to the moon :). You can take a look at CS token price :). No matter if it's being in downward trend but CS price is always much higher than ICO price :).

People blame them because they are very visible, a whale can buy a huge amount of coins in an ico and that person does not need even an account in the forum but the person that is here in the forum promoting the projects is very visible and it is also very easy to blame them for the decrease in the price when for the most part they are blameless for the decrease in the price of a coin.

There isnt a particular person that the blame can be apportion to, bounty hunters who need money sell off easily, early investors who get huge bonuses can sell off early to regain their investment and profit.

Very informative topic. You make me think more about the term ‘bounty hunter’. I solely think of government at first.

um, yes. This is not a person's attention. Many monopoly people think so, they will make the market decline very seriously. Let those bad altcoins disappear.

Ico prices are generally high for this market, people doesnt look to prices I think then they are losing 3-4 times their money after ico. And second reason is big bonuses who is receiving at pre or private sale.

I agree with you, that the bonus is the main thing that causes prices to drop dramatically, the greater the bonus, the easier it is for investors to return their main capital. that means there are dumped harder by investors to return their main capital and after that investors still hold a portion of the coins which are the profits of their investments.

good point and thank sharing. And I think what makes ico coins to fall is coins in fact unusual and people are buying them to manipulate instead of investing. Thanks to hundred of useless projects more and more ppl don’t trust ico