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http://rss.infowars.com/20111010_Mon_Alex.mp3

It's at hour two (2:00). I think my terminology went over his head; hence him cutting me off. So, in the future, simpler terms I guess.

Well on google there is a video of someone calling in mentioning it in July. Didn't seem spark much of an interest.

And I doubt it will, AJ has his sponsors which he gets money from, alot of it is actually investing or consumer goods sold for USD so there is a conflict of interest there. Also the origins of BTC, satoshi and the cypherpunks are way too freaky for him to not come up with some *expert* who claims it has been invented or sponsored by the pentagon. Not saying this will happen but it could if he ever has to report on it. (like wikileaks, also a cypherpunk brainchild)

it's a free market after all, so maybe mtgox can be a better sponsor than some gold bug.  :P

apart from that, gold and bitcoin complement each other wonderfully, so they can still promote gold as a security and bitcoin to transfer money around the world.

Right, but there is also a little discrepancy in ideology. Alex Jones and the US Patriot movement are nationalists and aim to make the USD valuable again.
For example a gold backed USD would be absolutely devastating for bitcoin and a internationally widely accepted bitcoin as much for the USD.

Yes both could happen at the same time... but both scenarios seems somewhat naive and unlikely from todays perspective. But who knows  8)
A fully successful bitcoin would more or less lead to a "diamond age" scenario with distributed "phyles" or decentralized republics/tribes.

If that sounds more distant than a successful old fashioned revolution in the USA? Idk...
In that perspective Alex Jones is anything but mainstream.

I updated the first post with a link. Also, Alex Jones is far from a blind patriot.

You idiot, now we all sound paranoid

What did he say?  I can't get it to fast forward and I'm not going to listen to two hours of AJ to get to it.

he went on about how our exchanges have been hacked and there's a globalist plot to destroy bitcoin

This is hilarious, you're both just talking past each other.  Neither of you are interested in talking to the other person and instead tried to push your own agenda/conspiracy theory.  When he realized you weren't going to play into his narrative he just cut you off, since you were basically just trying to read an ad without paying for a spot.

So yeah, that went just about how I expected it to.

I forgot to mention that he refered to SHA-256 as unbrekable, it's not unbreakable it's difficult to break.

I don't have a single snide remark to make on this thread.

Congratulations, Atlas. Right, wrong, or indifferent on how it went, it was a hell of lot more than I've done to date for Bitcoin (with the exception of help crackin' a couple rouge exchanges). My hat goes off to you. Yes, after listening, I could have easily chime in with the choir, echoing the negatives, but I feel it more important to ignore that sentiment and offer up a thanks from me and any other Bitcoiners too ashame to say so themselves.

I offer no apologies for anything I may have posted against you in the past, or in the future, unless an apology is warranted.

Once again, this is a stand alone post thanking you for your service.

If any others feel the same way, but choose to withhold comment, a simple +1 will suffice.

Sincerely, Bruno

http://www.baconbabble.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/smile-3.jpg

http://tattlecoin.com/2011/fact-bitcoin-appeared-alex-jones-today/
I put a edited snippet in that post, in case you don't want to listen to two hours of Alex Jones.

Thank you.

Wow, that was a total blow off at the end.

No happy ending or anything!

Question is: What other digital currencies is AJ talking about? Figure of speak? I'll assume he is not referring to 'alternative cryptocurrencies' from our subforum ;)
Then if he has 'researched it' and has nothing to respond except 'isn't it denominated in USD in the end?'. 

Btw you responded wrong to that, instead say it is denominated on its own but you can buy it for usd like you buy gold.

I am a big alex jones fan!

I don't think AJ will get it. As much as he rants against the mainstream, his methods and underlying motives are very much mainstream. He may be against the government but it's only from a place of selfishness and greed. It's his business after all.

I'm not a fan of AJ at all. But come on, you think he was was like, okay, I want to make money talking on the radio, lemme pick a topic that'll make me a lot of money, I know, anti-gov rhetoric, those people are numerous and wealthy.

More like numerous, stupid, and easy to manipulate.

I doubt he started out with that intention but these things have a way of evolving. Where once his anger may have been the motivator, with success and finding a niche that pays, the focus can change. I don't really follow him but I do sometimes catch a youtube clip or two. There's a tendency amongst these folks to think if something is wrong, then everything must be wrong. As a result if they have an answer to something, it becomes the answer to everything. The more you invest in an idea the more you reject outside ideas.

Dude I love your sig pic.

Not my sig. Just used it first time for that post to show a smile for Atlas. That SOB is today's Bitcoin Hero in my book.

Bruno

not gonna listen to this blowhard but did he give bitcions a positive review? hopefully the exchange can go up.

Hey Atlas, good job. I'm not an AJ fan but we welcome all the crazies into our fold. The more the merrier. Cheers!

Here's Atlas' 2 minute clip (http://genaud.net/bitcoin/2011/20111010_Atlas_Alex.mp3) (mp3)

lol... yes he did. Or did he? "Very interesting," he said.

I've got a new theory: If btc would need to depend on a positive review from AJ then it would be dead  :(

Stunts like this only serve to make bitcoin look like the currency in the Looney bin, focused efforts on well planned outreach and the construction of new business and enterprise to take advantage of this new economy is what's needed.

Nice job! Alex Jones didn't have much time to get into it which is why he had to end the call, but he described it as very interesting and said he should get someone to take a closer look at it. That's as good as you can hope for in a call-in radio comment.

Whatever. You don't even sound like you believe the pandering bullshit that comes out of your mouth, dude.

Way to push bitcoin just a touch further into irrelevancy.

Keep it up.

+1

If Bitcoin was slightly more well known, I would agree with you totally and I do agree with you a little bit.

But the fact is, whether he made it look like a currency of a looney bin or not, he got the name out there. Right now, that's what's needed more than anything. People just need to know about it regardless of how they know.

Plus, there is there is a huge portion of Bitcoin that probably deserves to be in the looney bin anyway. Too many people are seeing it as a method of subverting the government, or being an anarchist currency, than really seeing the big picture of it just being a standard form of internet currency for E-Commerce. If you want to bring it out of the looney bin, start working on this here, rather than pretending like it doesn't exist. You see it everywhere around these forums. Normal people don't give a shit about being anonymous. Normal people don't give a shit about subverting the government.

Good job Immanuel. It was short but the word is out. 79 new member on bitcointalk yesterday (the most in october).

Good point.

But the thing is that the political implications of bitcoin swing widely with popularity. The standard form as E-Commerce currency only fits within the medium success scenario.
If it is less successful it would be a nice product for said types but if it is more successful it would change the world.
That said to sell bitcoin as something which can change the world we must first get it to be accepted with medium success.

Can we agree that all Governments depend on their monopoly of money?

In what universe is Alex Jones thought of as mainstream?

That question is so 00's  :P

Currently or necessarily? History shows that most governments did not have a monopoly on the money supply. In fact, there is an inverse relationship between the duration of a civilization and its monetary authority.

I'm not too psyched that we're appealing to Alex Jones crazies in particular, but that Atlas expanded the potential user base in general is commendable.

Currently. I don't see the necessity that government must work the way as it is today. But I don't think that I can follow you... the governments themselves do not have control over it now either they just provide the circumstances for a monopoly of the private entities called central banks.

This wasn't always the case but I can't see money being supplied according to anarchistic principles either, if you exclude short term local currencies.

I think it's pretty interesting how this big push is just so Atlas can improve his own buying power with the BTC he owns.  Once he dumps, will he continue to pump?

Thanks for that.  Immanuel did a good job with the introduction.

Not everybody is in btc for dumping.

@ElectricMucus: Note I referred to monetary 'authority' of civilizations. I won't argue the political vs corporate authority of central banks. It's not so black and white. Previous to Keynesian central banks, most banks issued independent (fractional) reserve promissory notes backed by a scarce commodity (typically gold or silver). Business cycles and bank runs were problematic and central banks with unlimited fiat issuing power, eventually backed by nothing, were considered a solution. It continues to be argued that central bank independence is a good.

These globalists Alex preaches against, I imagine, would be organizations like the IMF, which coincidently attempted to stabilize global prices with the SDR backed by a basket of currencies, not just the US dollar, until the United States arrested the director, Strauss-Kahn on rape allegations. Is that an example of the US Empire suppressing the masses or the glorious Americans defending against the evil banking illuminati or coincidence? As I see it, with the United States, Europe, and China bailing out every insolvent bank or government, markets rallying, gold falling, we are collectively applauding economic destabilization and nationalization of our financial systems.

Have those for whom the collapse is an advantage planned for further centralization of control or are they just taking advantage when opportunities arise?

I'm good for a +.6667   ;D

Gotta respect anyone for taking action to promote bitcoin adoption, even if the chosen mechanism is a little misguided.

I'd just say to the OP that IMO the adoption of bitcoin depends less on convincing consumers (especially the crazies) of the benefits of holding bitcoin or purchasing items with bitcoin; adoption depends more on convincing businesses that accepting bitcoin for purchases will grow their business and be profitable for them.  That means reducing or eliminating the problems/risks bitcoin currently has as a medium of exchange (relative to fiat/credit).  You might want to consider focusing your considerable energies there.

If you decide to go that route, be sure to keep your solutions free of any ideological overtones...it's a lot easier to convince someone to change their behavior for economic reasons than it is to convince someone to change their ideology for ANY reason.

Peace

And once business have been convinced, consumers need to start BUYING.

Consumers don't need to do anything, except evaluate the pros/cons of transacting in BTC vs other currencies.