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Would anybody here do business with a Bitcoin related company if the address it posts on its website and on WhoIs is 2710 Thomes Ave Cheyenne, WY 82001?

http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20110628&t=2&i=448174573&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=170&r=2011-06-28T132504Z_01_BTRE75R0WBL00_RTROPTP_0_USA-SHELL-COMPANIES

To get up to speed, read the Reuters article and watch the video here: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/28/us-usa-shell-companies-idUSTRE75R20Z20110628

A short list of corporations located at this address is located here: http://www.corporationwiki.com/Wyoming/Cheyenne/2710-Thomes-Ave-Cheyenne-WY-82001-a354675.aspx

To make this a little interesting, I offer a 1 (one) Bitcoin bounty to the first person that correctly names the entity I'm speaking of in a post on this thread.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5v--gyvHhHjjVDAfun3geR7Yklhe6Ta_xehY0kOT4SzhgZjBOiw

Coinabul.com guys !? Can I please get the bitcoin im poor :(

1Eq1u2NzwHWqFzj5ksD5D3Bc5iVwzFmYZS

Thanks !

What address do I send the bounty to?

Sorry, bulanula, but you were 113 seconds to late.

Sent! Now you have to update your avatar.

I did send it to the right account, didn't I?

Wyoming for tax purposes is understandable. But why that address?

Moreover, if there's nothing to hide, why was the About page change changed from:


to this?:


Also, why was the WhoIs status changed from public to private 24 hours ago clearly showing the 2710 Thomes Ave. address?

Tax advantage with nothing to hide is understandable. Changing shit to hide something is not understandable.

+1.

We're getting an office space ASAP. The Wyoming incorporation service was mainly for tax reasons and to get the site off the ground. I apologize if you got the wrong idea because of it. We're working to provide as trustworthy and secure of a service as possible.

Edit: The phone number is up on the main page. We changed it so international callers could reach us as well.

Bad publicity from what? Why was the WhoIs changed at the same time?

Bad publicity from you Mr. Gage. :) As for the WhoIs, I assumed it was private the entire time, but we recently switched over our nameservers to an anti-ddos system. That might have done it? We're still using the address for any emails we send out (per CAN-SPAM regulations.)

So, let me see if I have this correct. You changed everything because of me. Was it because of a thread I posted on this board yesterday but was kindly asked to take down?

Changing your nameservers over to CloudFlare is a good choice: http://www.protoplasmictraveler.net/smf/index.php?topic=92.0

BTW, your Terms of Service looks and reads a lot like this one: http://www.goldeneaglecoin.com/Display/Conditions_of_Use

If René Descartes were alive today, would he say, "I C&P, therefore I am"?

http://rlv.zcache.com/i_doubt_therefore_i_might_be_rene_descartes_tshirt-p235852767882828984fggl8_325.jpg

What is the point of this thread? It's interesting that it follows a major ddos attack wave. Is there an implied accusation?

I guess at this point the thread is pretty long, to long to read in a short period of time, so I guess it's time for a synopsis.

A member of this forum, who has a vested interested in Bitcoin, desires to know why a Bitcoin related company uses an address in Wyoming known for "shell companies"--businesses that exist almost exclusively on paper. As a tax haven, any other address would have worked in Wyoming, but this one was specifically chosen. Why?

http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%222710+Thomes+Ave%22
 
Hope that bought you up to speed. Sorry for the long description, but I had to hash out this explanation from this mighty long thread.

An aside observation: An idea that is too big to fail. meets Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending

OK, thanks. I don't know what "shell companies are. Are they illegal or illegitimate somehow? I wasn't aware that there are tax havens in the USA. There are a few states that have low incorporation fees and also low tax rates. Just because a particular business is successful because it offers low rates for services, doesn't mean that it is violating any laws. If the Wyoming business is conducting illegal activities, perhaps law enforcement should be contacted? Personally, I would trust a company with a Wyoming corporation over one in the Cayman Islands, UAE, or several other offshore corporate tax havens.

It's probably less dubious than all that. It was probably on online incorporation service and that online site that files the paperwork provided their office space as an address or something.

(Just a theory)

i've always thought you were a little bit of a kook but this one is good. 

anyone who intentionally seeks out a such a shady entity is trying to hide something. 

do a simple Google search for online incorporating.  see how many thousands come up before this type.

Morning, cypherdoc. I'm withholding a response to your comment, for I'm not sure if it's directed towards me or at the post immediately above it. Please clarify if you desire a comeback from me.

Bruno

That address is famous for having a ridiculous amount of businesses located there. There is even a show or short piece on it on TV.
He most likely got roped into a do it all service online like Matt Wright said.

Morning, cbeast. I had a feeling that this post may be torn apart when I penned it, but I went and posted it nonetheless. I was tired when I wrote it, therefore allow me to take another shot at it. But before I do, I'm pretty sure you meant, "OK, thanks. I didn't know what "shell commpanies" were." I take that as a smart ass comment towards me, sinnce I offered up a description of shell companies in my first sentence preceded by a dash.

You are correct. Haven is the wrong word. Some corporations set up entities in Wyoming for other reasons. Like Matthew kindly pointed out, it probably was only for tax purposes.

That said, the following is a revised post:

A member of this forum, who has a vested interested in Bitcoin, desires to know why a Bitcoin related company uses an address in Wyoming known for dubious activities. Why, pray tell, was 2710 Tomes Ave. specifically chosen when ten of thousand other addresses could have sufficed in that state for tax purposes?

Allow me to add the following to the above:

I'm sure that a handful of bright fellows put Coinabul together. Are they now telling me that not a single one of them was bright enough to Google "2710 Thomes Ave." and say among themselves, "Hey, I don't think we should use that address"?

Therefore, allow me to do it for them: http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%222710+Thomes+Ave.%22

Shit! My bad! Almost a quarter of a million results. Surely with so many companies using that address, it must be a good one. Good choice!

I want to make one thing perfectly clear: I'm not trying to cannibalize Coinabul, but:

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/jlv/lowres/jlvn1570l.jpg

What I've found to date is leaving a bad taste in my month. There were warning signs for other Bitcoin entities which have now fallen to the wayside because members here did not heed the warnings.

I'm not trying to be a thorn. If I wrong, I want Coinablu to blossom.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3338/3671490851_3493429b95_m.jpg

But I'll be God Damned if there's another Bitcoin acceptance company jockeying for position to harm this community.

I having a hard time figuring out who the "He" is.

It looks like others got "roped" into using the same address: http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%222710+thomes+avenue%22+%22Pavlo+Lazarenko%22

Damn! His name is off by one letter, otherwise I would have linked Pavlov's dog into the mix. Sorry, Bierka.

its a compliment.  the rib is for the MyBitcoin identity thread chase you put up during the summer. ;)

have we not learned that when there's smoke there's usually fire?

I likes cheese!   :-*

Well then, please don't bogart all that smoke. Fire it back up and pass it around.

http://coinabul.com/index.php/terms-of-service


http://www.goldeneaglecoin.com/Display/Conditions_of_Use


...and new on the list:

http://www.fortknoxmetals.com/pages/Conditions-of-Use.html


The rest of the body content of all three sites reads virtually the same--mostly only the company names have changed.

Now, refresh my memory. What happened to that last exchange that used C&P in place of copywriting?

For those reading this while driving, here's the link to the NPR audio on 2710 Thomes Avenue: http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=137573513&m=137579324

A very interesting segment, I may add.

@Phinnaeus Gage

I might be interested in buying one of your custom leather wallets, but first I'd like to know your full name, address, phone number, criminal background check, social security number, employment history, credit report, medical records, fingerprints, DNA sample and stool sample    :P

fixed it for you.. And, make sure its fresh, damnit!  :P

Any particular reason you opted to want to know more about me or my brother-in-law that does the leather tooling of which he did three seats for Steven Tyler's motorcycles?

Like I've stated before, I'm pretty easy to find here in Sandwich, Illinois. Come on down and enjoy a cup of coffee with me. I will give you everything you request, but I somehow think you're not in the market for any product I have to offer--barn wood by me or tooled leather by Martin.

Therefore, let's get back on point. You, JohnnyCashout, came here specifically to post your remark toward me, caring less about how this thread may or may not effect the Bitcoin community. What gives? Thank you for joining the choir, but I feel you're singing off key.

I started this thread to help the Bitcoin community as a whole, and not trying to add some type of feather to my hat. If I'm off base, kindly show me where I err.

In light of what I've already introduced concerning Coinabul, do you (members here) feel comfortable conducting future business with them?

I met his daughter while working out at the Space Center. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm  Along with Bruce Willis (dude came off as an a-hole btw) ;p

Who, here, echo the sentiment that this is a mute issue? Go on record with a post to this thread voicing your opinion.

Please don't turn all Bruce on us.


I don't think that using a generic registration address is damning in and of itself.  It's actually pretty common in a lot of places for businesses to use the addresses of their accountants or lawyers as their "formal" address, especially if they don't have actual offices.  There are also lots of businesses which sell shelf (and sometimes shell) companies and sometimes the details don't get changed when they are sold.

This one is probably a "wait and see" - it's not like there's any kind of urgency for people to use new services the minute they open for business.

if you haven't interviewed him yet, ask him about the address and why he chose it.

The formation that is going on with Coinabul, CryptoXChange, and BitcoinMedia does not sit well for some reason. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48055.msg573519#msg573519 ?

That's good for starters. Then asked why he changed it directly after it was brought to his attention by me.

Then ask about the Copy & Paste issue and if there's a direct relationship between Coinabul and these two companies:

http://coinabul.com/index.php/terms-of-service


http://www.goldeneaglecoin.com/Display/Conditions_of_Use


http://www.fortknoxmetals.com/pages/Conditions-of-Use.html


The rest of the body content of all three sites reads virtually the same--mostly only the company names have changed.

And, if the owner of Coinabul is named Jay, ask him if his dad owns one of the above companies.

One of us has the horse, while the other has the cart, BP. Fortunately, there's plenty of thunder to share. I'm just binding my time to spring the trap, wanting first to see who's on what side of this issue. The names involved may come as a shocker to most here. Just dig a tad deeper, BP, and let me know when you reach your OMG moment.

I'm looking forward to this interview. I'm guessing that the prominent questions weren't asked, although both parties knew of them two days ago. This is going to be so fuckin' interesting.

Bruno

PS: I hate MF liars. I don't tolerate it from any of my family members, and I'm sure the hell won't accept it from the overall public.

Well, you earned it Phin. Wear it proudly!

https://i.imgur.com/3EL3y.png

;)

LOL No worries ;) And thanks :)

Either I'm the dumbest guy in the room, or I'm the dumbest guy in the room. What the fuck did I just win? Seriously, what did I miss? Is there another thread I need to visit to see what the hell just happened. I was only gone 30-45 minutes, came back, refreshed this page, and WHAM BAM (SHANG-A-LANG) there's not one, but two Silver Bitcoin badges staring back at me.

A Silver badge with a Bitcoin?  ::) ::)

In case you think I'm making fun of you, I'm not. It's just that your Detective skills got so much better since that other thread that you gotta have a badge, Bitcoin Detective Phin ;)

In that case there'll now be no need for me to show you'll how I connected Freddie Mercury with Povlov's Dog own by Povlo from the Ukraine who had a shell company listed at the 2710 Thomes Ave. address.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ahbnoE6U1JQ/TmQ4SepczOI/AAAAAAAAF9Y/d3DfPQy8YRg/s1600/Freddie_Mercury+%25285%2529.jpg

The other day, my nephew was making a ruckus, so I gave him a candy bar to help calm him down. Needless to say, it worked for a little while--until the chocolate kicked in. BTW, thanks for the badge(s). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Enam3uk9Dc

I'm still waiting for the interview video to be posted, Matthew. ETA?

Can you post an infographic showing Coinabul's links to other Bitcoin entities when you get a chance, because I'm getting as confused as hell about the overlaps.

Ok. This stuff has gone far enough and you are hurting people and companies I care about.

I do promotional/marketing work for both Coinabul and Crypto X Change. In a previous life I was noagendamarket on these forums but I had my info doxed by SA forums and had the account shut down. I didnt expect my own community to do the same and  publish my personal details for all the world to see.

Ive been a bitcoin evangelist for  the past two years which is why these two companies contacted me to work with them on spreading the word about their services. I have a lot of respect for both the guys running these sites which is why I agreed to help. At this point it has been unpaid voluntary work advising them on bitcoin related matters and setting up social media accounts etc. Ken from cryptoxchange is an Aussie just like me and he lives not far from my sister in new south wales. He is a successful businessman outside of bitcoin and so is Jay from Coinabul. It saddens me that people make these threads without thinking about the consequences. We are real people with families,jobs and care about bitcoin just as much as anyone else here.

The reason Jay doesnt want to publish his personal info is because it is a physical gold site there are safety concerns related to blackmail and/or people turning up in person etc. Im sure anyone can see that is a prudent thing ? Its also the reason I didnt want my info public and any of you need to ask yourselves the same questions.

Im trying to help these companies become successful and maybe one day I can  earn an income doing what I love which is promoting bitcoin and the people/companies in bitcoin I respect. Ive been asked previously to become the community manager for the bitcoin project but I declined for several reasons. I am still on irc and running the bitcoinmedia twitter account. Occasionally I post stories about both Coinabul and CryptoXchange when I think they merit it.

I have my own company called noagendamarket in Australia I setup awhile ago
http://www.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c?acn=147_919_239&juris=9&hdtext=ACN&srchsrc=1


I also own bitcoin.me and bitcoin.com.au if you care to look at the whois. I also am a founding shareholder in GLBSE and nefario and ColdHardMetal can vouch for me.

Finally if the community has any concerns please contact MrTiggr or SomeoneWeird of the bitcoin police. They will be getting any documents the community needs to feel safer dealing with Coinabul and CryptoXchange. They will also vouch for all 3 of us if you feel the need to ask.

As far as comparing these companies to mybitcoin that is extremely unfair. They are both publically listed companies in Australia and the US. They are following all laws and regulations pertaining to owning and operating their respective companies. They also post on the forums and are active in irc. We all have bitcoin-otc ratings. The companies themselves will be getting those. They are going to be pentested by bitcoin community members that everyone knows. At this point I dont know what else to say other than please stop posting these rumours and speculation.

As for bitcoinmedia.com I handed the domain over to bitcoinconsultancy awhile ago. It is a community site and anyone with any interesting bitcoin news can post there. Im now going to take steps so that it is split into a separate advertising/review site and a purely news site.  

The only thing Ive done related to bitcoin which I am sorry for is to send a message to bruce wagner on twitter telling him about bitcoin and then donating a few coins to him when he published an address, thus starting in motion  the whole bitcoion show debacle and leading to people assuming bitcoinmedia was bruce eventually. How was I to know the shitstorm that would happen just because I donated 50btc once to some random guy on twitter? What do they say about the butterfly effect ?

Thanks for the bittalk interview with Jay. Im enjoying the work you do with that site, the cosbycoin video was my favourite.

BTW I also own cosbycoin.com and people accused me of being behind the forum  hack too lol.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Lolie is waiting for Nancy Drew to crack this case. Don't want to disappoint, but the Freemasons keep slowing down the process.

So far, I read the first line, and opted to quote the whole post and comment what I've read so far. Tell me how this thread can possibly hurt a company based on a strong foundation and who, exactly, has been hurt? Maybe the answer lies somewhere within the rest of your post of which I'm about to read. Maybe it won't be as terse as the first sentence came across when I read it.

I want to quote and pick apart some of your text, but it would only be for the lulz.   I figured you were noagendamarket way way early on, but then every other thing made me think otherwise, so it is funny it has now come around full circle and I feel a little less insane.  But obviously I am still nuts, I do like Bitcoin.

I am not sorry at all for asking any questions I have asked so far, not at all, I am sorry you or whoever is with you guys sees a potential customer as some sort of enemy, just for asking questions.   If your friend is worried about his security that much because of things he deals with, then, he needs to deal with it, not hide from it.  Otherwise he should find another business if the gold market is that crazy.

Glad some kind of answers are coming out though, honestly, sorry you feel some of this was forced, but please take a step back and look at the launch, then re-launch of Cryto X, the companies, people, and currencies it wants to deal with, and just the bullshit drama surrounding those things alone.  I mean, just claiming at all you are going to work with SolidCoin causes people to hate.  Obviously you know the Bruce thing.  Shit happens, you got dealt a bad hand as far as those things, but it sure doesn't help having a million other shady things going on, yet Crypto X keeps us all constantly full of tons of info.

I am sorry for whatever stresses these issues are causing you, but try not to direct blame on people not wanting to get ripped off again and again, we can all work together and shit.  I can fully give benefit of the doubt and see your side, I won't agree it was handled well, and is the cause of a lot of this, but I also hope you can see that people get fucked with in this and many Bitcoin communities a lot, you know first hand.

Not as terse as I thought it would be. Very straightforward and comes across sincere. I will accept it as factual and will close this thread. DH, please PM me if there is anything harmful that needs to be removed that I have written.

Please understand all when I state that I'm not offering up an apology for my efforts. The error on my part was truly from the heart for the protection of Bitcoin.

I did lie though about the Freddie Mercury connection.

Thank you kindly for understanding.

Sincerely, Bruno

+1 (and more)

Bumping this thread to show Robbin Stephenson some of my work from over four years ago. Virtually every entity mentioned in the post above is defunct.

For those not versed as to who Robbin Stephenson is, he's a dude who's planning on killing over a hundred Bitcoiners and I'm the person who outed his home address, hence he being pissed off enough to give me neg trust and pen a thread in Meta that's echoed in other sections of this forum tryin' to discredit me, needless to say, all in vain.

Can i get in on this too ? Let's do a group buy for a nice deal :)

I once tried to buy some of Miley Cyrus's dirty bath water or even would have settled for some used panties.
The search continues :(

But hey in all seriousness though it's fair to want some background.
This is normal for business in general and more so for a web site that allows financial scams (no rule against them here)
Snarky comments ?
What blind ? Deaf ? Failed to notice the other zillion scams in Crypto ?
It's simply ridiculous you guys EXPECT to be given the benefit of the doubt in a scam ridden scene.

You guys get FUD because you EARNED IT !

Can you possibly fathom the CONTEXT of the crypto scene ?
Look around and open your eyes an don't play innocent little angel.

You don't deserve to be trusted.. in the normal business world.
In crypto you should be thrown on the barbecue and cooked first just to be safe !
Minimum internal temperature of 300 degrees ;)

Wow Bruno, this thread is like a who's who of scumbags from back in the day. Noagendamarket talking about his involvement with that scumbag James McCarthy and GLBSE. Cypherdoc, bulanula, MnW and Coinabul packs this thread with raw sex (they fucked everyone they could). Somehow I missed this one back then.

I agree with Gleb on this topic.. it seems like a red flag !
I guess some guys came here to say no it's not..

If something is legit fine but i will not feel bad for asking questions etc.
I have always asked who made some coin or service (and how many did they make before that)
And that has gotten me a reputation of being a Troll that FUD's

All these guys hide !
All i ever wanted to know is who am i dealing with ?
They hide for a reason.

3 years now of being raped when i ask WHO.
The second i do i get pounced on by everyone every where with vicious personal attacks and mass trolling.
If i ask on a chat box on any exchange they all dive on me then the mod's mouth me off
saying i deserve it and shortly after that they ban me...... again.

I don't even get to say something bad about some coin or service.. they pick a fight long in advance of even getting to that.
I have a million stories and posted many on this forum and have many more logged showing this clearly.

The crypto scene is a hoard of deceitful greedy shady characters that dart around in the shadows.
They band together for mass trolling at the first hint of dissent among the ranks.
I can't count how many times the Cryptsy Skype back room boys troll army swooped in at once to have at me.
These are cowards that use threats of violence non stop and threats of lawsuits and harassment that last years.
If you speak up you will be abused and black listed by the scam-community.

Get this..
In 3 years yesterday i seen the first guy ask for the very first time with out me leading..
WHO MADE THE COIN ?
I couldn't believe my eyes !
Could it be ?
Did people actually smarten up ?