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Lately, we've seen that investing in crowdsales are no longer profitable due to ICO's favouring VCs and private investors. These set of investors receive heavy bonuses with almost no lock up periods at all. Consequently, they dump these tokens at listing on exchanges and crash the prices below the ICO price, resulting in big losses for smaller investors. As a result, it's difficult to make 5x - 10x from ICO price anymore.

As an investor, one of the best ways to curb this and make ICO's more profitable again is to focus on crowdsales. You have to make a conscious decision to invest in only projects with good lock up periods for VC's and private investors. These lock up periods is what guarantees that the guys with big bonuses don't dump on us. A project with good and experienced team, working product, good token metrics, use case, and considerable lock up periods for VCs and private investor should ordinarily do well in the market.

Investing in ICO, in many cases, is a long-term investment. We can not expect for a quick profit after ICO when listing on exchanges. They locked up the token to ensure their price. And sure enough, the token's price will depend on their development of the project, and the capital fund behind them.

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In my opinion, first, don't expect too much. do not make sure it will profit 5x or 10x, just target 2x profit. all of this so that we do not expect too much, because market conditions are not conducive. after that you have to be smart to choose a good ICO and can find hardcap.

I believe that is what should happen.
Lock it up. Whales are trying to feed on those little investors which believes in the project.
Rules should be made if they really want a successful ICO.

Problem here is if they see even just 10 percent of profit their out. Afterwards, how are they going to get another investor that will spend that much money seeing it had been manipulated already.

The lock up period is essential but will put off many investors from buying in bulk and project managers will want to gain as many bitcoins / ethereum as they can get their hands on. Good to see that pre-sale investors are being recognised as responsible for dumping, usually bounty hunters get incorrectly blamed.

I think this is the problem with the crypto community. Everyone focusing on "profitability" rather than actual project development. People just invest thinking it's a get rich quick scheme but never actually looking at the underlying technology and how it can be incorporated into real world use cases.

The projects with good lock up periods for VC's and private investors, will not be generally interesting for these investors ;D

Locking up the private investors tokens is part of the solution, we must also be reminded of the bounty hunters, a crash in price might also result from them too, while the ultimate people we must take note are the team/developers. Some of them get greedy dump and move to the next project. 
However if the project is a good one with use case, investors need not worry, patience is the key in Crypto,  the  token will surely bounce back it just a matter of time.

That’s really a hard task to find a promising projects on ICO. ICO can increase to launch promising projects more and that should be make ICO profitable again`

Well, people just want to have a way to get some cash in a short amount of time and ICOs are a good way because it is getting hyped. However, because of the scam ICOs, investors are slowly dwindling down in investing in it because many are losing money. The prices are slowly going down upon listing in exchanges and the small investors/retail investors are the ones who are suffering because they cannot sell their coins at a profit.


Bounty hunters may be one of the cause why the price goes down but still you cannot just single out that they are the cause because when the price dump in exchange, the dump is so big that it would just be impossible for the bounty hunters to do it alone.

Same concept as bounty hunters did, they are selling the coins when it reached the exchange as pre-sale investors takes every advantage from the current value of the coins before gaining some attentions, progress will be delayed since the budget that has been collected from pre sales is far smaller than the actual value of the tokens, well its really needed to limit and make sure that the dev foreseen such actions so investing with ico's can be profitable in the
long term period.

It depends to what is the agenda of the developers,  the good thing to make is that you should always look for an ICO which has a really working product and has a potential to have a big impact in the market and will grow as strong  as bitcoin (seriously speaking).

 it will not matter on how much bonuses will they receive,  it really does matter to the product on how will it initiate in the industry and will remain standing still but not llsing the original price of the product/toke on its crowdsale.

Every ICO's is profitable even at $100.

Investment is like horse racing. You have to consider many aspects to decide whether to invest. And after investing, have to trust the dev team, although sometimes the price is down but just know who the winner at the end.

I think this is one of the best things to do so as to make a coin profitable again. Many of these private sales investors get much bonus and this mainly affects the price when listed. Lock ups should be introduced into all token distribution

I totally agree with you. Investing in an ICO is a long-term investment that, after some time, can bring good profit and may bring losses. If the project develops, goes to new exchanges, improves your product, then you will get profit.

It’s true that these venture capital firms are undergoing a massive from ICOs as it gets a lot of financial backup from these kinds of investors which surely discourage small investors like us.

In other words, you should examine the ICO very carefully, lockups variety, team backgrounds, development performances and its quality, this period is one of the best time to accumulate those potential ICO's especially if the tokens are already released to exchanges, most their prices are wrecked that is so affordable that it falls behind the deal of the private investors but not all of them fall that far, you can have some good profits from them, market recovery and the mainet/product release.

Although the VCs and big group of investors put a big investment on market and the price, I still believe that it is possible to make profit of handsome amount through good decisions and waiting for perfect timing

Your use of terminologies can be further breakdown for the purpose of new entrants into the cryptosystem for easy understanding. Not everyone will understand what you mean by "VC" and the rest.

A lot of ICOs fail due to investors that are afraid of getting scammed, majority of the ICOs this year failed because there had been a lot of ICOs who ran with investors money. Some investors are making quick profits with ICOs that's why some ICO investors are turning away from investing on it.

To my mind first of all it is better to back the trust and escrow to the ICOs, that may guarantee the refunds to the inestors in case the project may appear the scam, and of course it will make the ICOs more trustworthy. And it would be great if the escrow will give the collected money to the team step by step according to the Roadmap - it will give no chance to the people get all the collected money and disappear.

Sometimes I think these big farms and investors encourage teaming up as a big investment entity. If you are small you face lots of challenge to invest created by them. So to control the market the only way is to team up as big group

There has to be a demand on the market for ICO's and cryptocurrencies overall.

There are many different ways, but all of them are based only on integrating the possibilities of bringing to responsibility developers and verifying the identity of developers. This is probably one of the most important problems.

Long term investment can be a solution to make ICO profitable according to my point of view. The team has to be well organized and transparent so that the people can rely on them to invest on what they offer.

That’s pretty much about it. You see that an ICO startup isn’t an easy process. It requires tons of work from development, to management and marketing in all the possible platforms. Hire excellent individuals to construct a business that’s worth investing into.

No person should expect profit from ICOs in a short time after making investment. He / She should wait for the ICO to achieve their goal in a certain period. And the ICOs must be promising about what they trying to achieve.

It need to be more patience and do more research on how to be profitable in ICO . We can take good advice from those who are already more profitable in ICO project.

Yes, private investors most especially gain more from ICOs than other investors. That is  why most of the sell at ridiculous prices whenever the tokens are listed on exchanges. For this reason, some ICO teams have now decided to lockup the bonuses meant for private investors.

Regulations should be done and investors should be by accreditation

Lock up period will be the most important part for this and have to focus on its actuality. If the project will good then investors need not worry,  leniency is the main key for success in Cryptocurrency.

Most people hesitate to invest in ICOs as there might be a chance of being scammed by the ICOs. If we want ICOs to be a profitable sector of investment then these scammers need to be taken care. Otherwise, investors will be discouraged.

Lock it up. glutton will try to feed on those small investors which believes in the project and If the project is good then investors need not worry.

you can increase icos profit by  focus on crowdsales. it is easy way to increase profit. it is secure and potential. it is more trusted in crypto people. if you want  to get more profit you should justify before investment.

the parameters you mentioned can indeed be considered, however, it's not that simple. many other factors such as market movements and others. and I personally don't understand it all.

in short time investment you can not gain profit. you should make a plan for long time investment. i think then you can expect.

from my opinion i think you have to wait for gain more profit. on the very first time you can not gain. you have to wait and see the market condition . on basis of market condition then you have to deal.

ICO can still be profitable when we think of the long term return of that ICO but the ICO have to be good it has to have really life value and use for it to sustain the tide happening in crypto right now.

Absolutely. If the concept of a project is fixing an underlying issue in the conventional world, these are the projects worth looking into as they would withstand the harsh markets and probably increase in price.

It is very difficult but hopefully it will grow again

ICOs are more secure and profitable for investor. you can get more profit by  focus on crowdsales. it is way to increase profit on icos.  you can invest here for long time. its future are bright.

ICOs are more secure and potential. it will make more profit by  focus on crowdsales. it is easy and probable for investor. its future are more bright. it is more reliable and help to make profit.

I don't think they will lock for the VC, because they are special investors

actually, one of the profitable investments in cryptocurrency is investing in ico. we can use ico which is legit if we can choose ico well. by following legit ico then we will get satisfying results. if we want to avoid ico, we have to be more careful when choosing ico.

Agree with you

This is a common problem because ICOs investors will easily dumps their token right after it hits at exchanges for easy money and that's why the project will be affected as the price had already down from the ICO price and this will create panic to other investors and they will also sell their token to cut their losses.
Investing in ICO should be in a long term and investors should wait with the maturity with the project to get a better profits. Trust with the team and the project that this will become huge in the future.

I think ICO is for long term investment in some cases. You cant expect quick profit from here. As I know they totally locked up the project also ensure the price of the particular project. The token price is totally depend the development of the project.

If ICO restricted from scams and have some thing new which are attract investors to invest then more investors will be invest on ICO projects. And we know what will be result then

This will take time to come to fruition. Because everything is tied up , i.e the tokens. And the prices gets determined on the basis of the development.

There are a lot of profitable ICOs, but you have to understand that this should be really good projects. There are not many such projects. You must be careful with any investment and choose only good projects. The ICO has many advantages and you just need to invest in a good ICO to make a profit

I think if ICO is good i mean its working project then in long term they will be profitable but most of investors want quick profit ,smart investors who \understand how market works keep their tokens.

If this is about retail investors, then go for MenloOne. Normally we see the ICO as something that will stick around for the long term investment, hence it takes a bit of time.

Good projects always make vesting periods for VC and funds. It is a requirement.
At the same time even hype ICOs lose value after listing and it is real issue. just wait market reverse and all will change

There are projects which don't have lock up period for VCs and private investors rather they allow everyone to get an equal opportunity to make investments. We can definitely opt for those. The blame is here on us because we are still investing on these ICOs whereas they are treating us unfairly. Keep boycotting them and they will eventually get rid of such phases.

I don't have any ideas except completely changing ICO structure. It seems to me that there should be some reports in front of community for each wasted $. Community,investors should take part in polls regarding each decision.

The question that you need to ask is, would your suggestions, recommendations, and advises will be heard and will be implemented by the companies themselves? It is important to consider their side of the deal too. Is it profitable for them to give out so much to so little marketers and bounty participants?

Make sure you know what project or ICO you are investing in. read the white paper thoroughly and know about the team and their experiences. You cannot expect a quick return from your ICO tokens since a project needs time to develop. Hold on to your coins and have patience. If the project is solid then you'll surely get a good profit from your ICO tokens.

The solution is very simple, stop investing in ICOs who have separate lock up period for VCs and private investors and there are quite a few ICO available on the market that doesn't treat their investors in such unfair manner. Moreover, you need to acknowledge the fact that even if the lock up period is not there, a lot of investors can buy huge amount of tokens and manipulate the market later on.

Currently, it is difficult for new projects. Since the price of ether and bitcoin is constantly decreasing. The cost of tokens is also reduced. That depends on the success of the project. Because of this course you need more time to study the project. And its social significance for the world.

I always knew the high influx of hedge funds, capital groups and those greedy big pockets guys would be harm the ICO space space in the long run and it has started already. After the crypto and ico boom in 2017, VCs became a big part of the game and ICO projects started getting greedy. They sell majority of the token allocations to VCs and then do a shitty proof of love campaign or airdrop the little percentage left to the crowd. VCs even offer OTC deals for ico tokens at 2x - 5x the price they bought it. This has to stop. I've stopped investing in ICOs for a while now.

The lock-up period is fundamental yet will put off numerous financial specialists from purchasing in mass and undertaking supervisors will need to pick up the greatest number of bitcoins/ethereum as they can get their hands on. Great to see that pre-deal financial specialists are being perceived as in charge of dumping, for the most part, abundance seekers get erroneously faulted.

Projects must fulfill all their promises, especially those that collect a lot of money and then do nothing. Projects should return investor confidence.

i think these things had its time when they were extremely profitable but i think there good ico's out there they are few but they are there you just need to be selective about that.

As a small investor like me, we cant compete to big whales investors. They can have the full benefit on it when it hits on the exchange. My only option is to buy the ico tokens I love on the exchange. It is expected that the price of the tokens when it hits on the exchange will surely have a big dump. That is the right time to buy.

ICO market should be regulated like IPO,  so many public investor will feel more safe.  Now there are some ICO turn in to fraud because no any regulation, and from this case many investor will avoid ICO and chooce other kind of investment like IPO that has regulation.

How about bounty hunters ? Do you suggest the team to lock up token for hunters too ? Most hunters need their reward can be sold as soon as possible.
They should focus about their product development after crowdsale, so the token price will be back at least at ICO price quickly.

It is very difficult to get profit from ICO at the moment, compounded by many of the ICO scams that make beginners become deceived and lose their assets. research and selection of an ICO is the most important thing, whether we will get profit or loss later.

To make ICOs more profitable, it is necessary to attract more investors. It shall occur on a general wave of growth of the cryptoforeign exchange market.

Depends upon who the VCs/Pvt Investors are. It is quite unusual if their sole motive of putting in money is not the product/technology, but a short term outlook at dumping. All such projects must be kept a safe distance from. Else, there is a defined path of exit for the initial set that is agreed upon with the Founders. In case the trusted Investors/VCs are putting their money in, with a decent lock in period, it should give the retail investors more confidence as more initial collection means better execution on the product and service penetration leading to a steady growth in the token prices.

to make the ico's profitable is that we have to avoid the scam ico. by avoiding the ico that scam, of course, we can get the big results from ico that we follow, and that will be more profitable. but we know that in choosing a legit ico is a difficult thing, so we must be careful in doing so.

Putting resources into ICO, by and large, is a long haul speculation. We can not expect for a fast benefit after ICO when posting on trades. They bolted up the token to guarantee their cost. Also, beyond any doubt enough, the token's cost will rely upon their advancement of the undertaking and the capital reserve behind them.

It is believed that investing in ICO will require a long time to gain profit from it. At the making point of any project need so many resources to make it successful. In this case, locking up is an option to prevent investor's buying in large amount.

Well, I guess the time is not right now. The whole cryto market is in a down stream right now. That's why, ICOs are not making profit. But dont be too much ambitious at the same time. Put your ambition to get 2x profit.

ICO is a tricky business and is a long term commitment. Token’s price is appended with the development of the process and the amount of capital behind them. So you have to wait to have profit.

From my experience I will tell you to not to have very high expectations. Because this depends on so many things. Market condition is not that good now.

In, able to be profitable again we need to wait the market explodes and explore more potential projects they produce, ICO's was depended the fluctuation of market and the run in technology.

If u investing in ICOs , you should consider it as venture investments and forget about it minimum for 2 years . Then just enjoy ur profits ;)

Based on my experience expecting 5x to 10x profit is the greedy thing . In 2017 i got lots of profit some ICO given even 100X profit but in 2018 everything took away even most of my earning became nothing .So this year crypto market thought me lesson keep profit ratio for small amount then no need to face problem . Also dont invest on ICO until your not having great research and complete details.

You have to invest in an ICO keeping in mind that it would take a long time to make you profit. You have to be patient. And before all that you need to choose a good ICO with good project.

One of the major issues is the rush to get listed on an exchange, often this leads to being listed on an exchange that nobody really cares about, such as Hitbtc or a DEX, which are vulnerable to market manipulation. I think that ICOs should consider withholding exchange listing until the market has stabilized otherwise nearly any ICO will automatically trade below ICO price once listed.

Make a real project, don’t hype that coin much and do a bounty campaign which limit the participants and focus on developing your product. ICO’s is a having big loss in the months, maybe because of a bear market or investors realize that ICO is not profitable anymore.

Its more on the project itself because even if its a bear market if its a good coin you will have you own bull trend though it  can still affect the value of you technology in the long run. ICO can be profitable again if those shit ICO’s will be gone in this market but I think this is unrealistic.

Most of the ICOs come to the market for crowdfunding. So it is really important to give priorities to the crowd. If the ICOs support their token holder then i think ICOs will be more profitable.

Yeah nowadays ICOs are not profitable like they were before. I think some criterias should be made for the ICOs. So that they will have to focus mainly on the crowdfunding investors.

VC’s are not really the issue I think. It is just bearish sentiment of the market, I hope we can make profit again very soon when the market comes in a flow and we can see some bullish run.

The quality of most ICO, I am currently observing , is very poor. And all because it's now fashionable to wrap something useless in a beautiful wrapper and sell more expensive. Most investors who are chasing short-term profits have no idea what they are investing in. The most popular question in telegram chats is " when is the exchange???""Why did I lose 90% of the investment value , when the coins will grow?"  :o :o :-[ All this suggests that most of the players have just come to the cryptocurrency market and are eager to quickly earn easy money. But it doesn't!!! These newcomers massively incurred money to startups, and those, in turn, realizing that it's possible to raise lots, began to organize ICO one after another and don't think much about the implementation of the product in life. Why build difficulties if people give their money anyway? Until this situation changes, the quality of ICO won't change either.