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Title: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: Crypto.RichieRich on August 10, 2018, 03:29:29 PM
Which multi cryptocurrency wallet is safe for long term holding that either stores private keys locally or gives users exclusive access to their private keys?

I am currently holding around 80 different cryptocurrencies in small amounts. I want to hold these coins for long term. Need a safe wallet where I will be able to store all my coins. As I have heard that servers where users' private keys are kept by wallets can be hacked, I want to hold my coins in a wallet which stores private keys locally or gives exclusive access of private key to the user (the one which doesn't store private key anywhere). I am not willing to spend money on hardware wallets. I am planning to store these coins on a desktop or a mobile wallet (or a wallet like metamask & myetherwallet). Planning to buy a new desktop or mobile which I will use only for the purpose of storing cryptos & will keep the device disconnected from internet until I want to sell my coins.


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: Teraboy on August 10, 2018, 03:36:35 PM
Which multi cryptocurrency wallet is safe for long term holding that either stores private keys locally or gives users exclusive access to their private keys?

I am currently holding around 80 different cryptocurrencies in small amounts. I want to hold these coins for long term. Need a safe wallet where I will be able to store all my coins. As I have heard that servers where users' private keys are kept by wallets can be hacked, I want to hold my coins in a wallet which stores private keys locally or gives exclusive access of private key to the user (the one which doesn't store private key anywhere). I am not willing to spend money on hardware wallets. I am planning to store these coins on a desktop or a mobile wallet (or a wallet like metamask & myetherwallet). Planning to buy a new desktop or mobile which I will use only for the purpose of storing cryptos & will keep the device disconnected from internet until I want to sell my coins.
Here's my choices.
Digital wallet
- Coinomi
- Exodus

Hardware wallet
-Trezor

I guess those digital wallet just give you an ability to take your private key through eksport feature. i suggest you to get the more review about both of them. I hope that becomes the best choice for you.


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: BQ on August 10, 2018, 03:39:17 PM
I wrote a guide about this subject, here is the thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3576100).
I believe Ledger supports a few more coins than Trezor. I personally use a Trezor.
How can you be holding 80 cryptos? do you mean most are tokens?


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: ansi on August 10, 2018, 03:44:04 PM
I wrote a guide about this subject, here is the thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3576100).
I believe Ledger supports a few more coins than Trezor. I personally use a Trezor.
How can you be holding 80 cryptos? do you mean most are tokens?
Since they are 80 it's probably 80% of them are ERC2 tokens.
There is always good choices out there to store the ERC20 tokens though, Trezor & ledger & ...are one of them.


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: Muhammad Muneeb on August 10, 2018, 03:45:10 PM
Which multi cryptocurrency wallet is safe for long term holding that either stores private keys locally or gives users exclusive access to their private keys?

I am currently holding around 80 different cryptocurrencies in small amounts. I want to hold these coins for long term. Need a safe wallet where I will be able to store all my coins. As I have heard that servers where users' private keys are kept by wallets can be hacked, I want to hold my coins in a wallet which stores private keys locally or gives exclusive access of private key to the user (the one which doesn't store private key anywhere). I am not willing to spend money on hardware wallets. I am planning to store these coins on a desktop or a mobile wallet (or a wallet like metamask & myetherwallet). Planning to buy a new desktop or mobile which I will use only for the purpose of storing cryptos & will keep the device disconnected from internet until I want to sell my coins.

there is no need to spend money on phone or separate desktop just use myetherwallet for this purpose.. store the keystroke file ans private key in a pen drive plus print out the private key in the hard copy and keep it in your locker


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: freighttrain on August 10, 2018, 03:49:14 PM
Ethos Universal Wallet and Trust are my favourites. Ethos allows you to store many cryptos such as Bitcoins, Waves, Ethereum, etc in addition to ERC20 tokens. Trust only support Ethereum-based tokens.


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: Noobaru on August 10, 2018, 09:10:05 PM
I would recommend like posters before me. Get yourself a hardware wallet like Ledger and Trezor. But keep in mind you will have to transact using MyEtherWallet or similar for sending ERC20 tokens around. There are guides on how to connect your hardware wallet through MEW and open wallet (address). It is pretty simple once you get the hang of it.


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: Crypto.RichieRich on August 11, 2018, 04:52:46 PM
Which multi cryptocurrency wallet is safe for long term holding that either stores private keys locally or gives users exclusive access to their private keys?

I am currently holding around 80 different cryptocurrencies in small amounts. I want to hold these coins for long term. Need a safe wallet where I will be able to store all my coins. As I have heard that servers where users' private keys are kept by wallets can be hacked, I want to hold my coins in a wallet which stores private keys locally or gives exclusive access of private key to the user (the one which doesn't store private key anywhere). I am not willing to spend money on hardware wallets. I am planning to store these coins on a desktop or a mobile wallet (or a wallet like metamask & myetherwallet). Planning to buy a new desktop or mobile which I will use only for the purpose of storing cryptos & will keep the device disconnected from internet until I want to sell my coins.
Here's my choices.
Digital wallet
- Coinomi
- Exodus

Hardware wallet
-Trezor

I guess those digital wallet just give you an ability to take your private key through eksport feature. i suggest you to get the more review about both of them. I hope that becomes the best choice for you.

Hi Teraboy! Thanks for answering my question  :)

I visited official websites of Coinomi & Exodus. Coinomi's website states, "Your private keys never leave your device". I guess this means that your private keys are stored locally & nowhere else (Servers & all). Exodus' website states, "Exodus encrypts private keys and transaction data locally for your eyes only. Your data remains private". Also in the demo video, a co-founder mentions that Exodus holds your private keys and there are no hosts & servers thus this approach gives you total control. I think this also means the same.

I didn't have a look at what Trezor is offering as I don't want to spend on hardware wallets.

I am not a techie person so I don't know much about the private key export feature. Is it possible to have a copy of my private key by exporting it? How do I save it (soft copy or hard copy)? If Coinomi & Exodus store private keys locally & suppose that my device gets lost, stolen or damaged then is it possible to access my account using some other device? Kindly guide me on this.

Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: Crypto.RichieRich on August 12, 2018, 01:19:38 PM
I wrote a guide about this subject, here is the thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3576100).
I believe Ledger supports a few more coins than Trezor. I personally use a Trezor.
How can you be holding 80 cryptos? do you mean most are tokens?

Hey BQ! Thanks for replying  :)

I read your wallet guide & I must admit that it is one of the best articles I have read till date on crypto wallets. You have explained it so well using simple language without any heavy words. Moreover the tips you have given are truly helpful for a non techie person like me. Thanks a lot for making such a wonderful guide.

I couldn't understand a few things from the guide. I request you to guide me on the following:

1. You have mentioned that MEW doesn't save keys. Does that mean it gives users exclusive access to their funds? & if it doesn't store private keys anywhere then how did people loose their cryptos in the MEW hacks as the hackers also need private keys to steal funds?

2. You have mentioned that the MetaMask stores a file locally encrypted with a password. What does "locally" mean here? is it hard drive of the computer?

3. If the device where I have installed or access MEW & MetaMask from gets lost, stolen or damaged, will I be able to access my account using some other device?

4. In the summary section, you have mentioned that MetaMask protects more & by using MEW, one is exposed to third party hacks. Can you please elaborate this?

5. If I buy a new device (computer or smartphone), keep it disconnected from internet & use it only for the purpose of storing cryptos, is this method safe enough? Is installing a second OS like Linux Mint on the laptop which I use daily safe enough? Is running Linux Mint using USB/CD on the same laptop safe enough?

              I am not willing to spend on hardware wallets & yes I hold 80 cryptos, some of them are ERC20.


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: Crypto.RichieRich on August 12, 2018, 01:22:35 PM
I wrote a guide about this subject, here is the thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3576100).
I believe Ledger supports a few more coins than Trezor. I personally use a Trezor.
How can you be holding 80 cryptos? do you mean most are tokens?
Since they are 80 it's probably 80% of them are ERC2 tokens.
There is always good choices out there to store the ERC20 tokens though, Trezor & ledger & ...are one of them.

Thanks for replying  :)

Yes some of them are ERC20. BTW I don't want to spend on hardware wallets. Can you suggest me alternative options?



Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: HichemFetoui on August 12, 2018, 01:23:52 PM
i use exodus as my main wallet it supports multiple altcoin and i trust the team behind it i never heard a hack that occurs in exodus i think exodus + linux the most powerful combination good luck


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: Crypto.RichieRich on August 12, 2018, 01:27:13 PM
Which multi cryptocurrency wallet is safe for long term holding that either stores private keys locally or gives users exclusive access to their private keys?

I am currently holding around 80 different cryptocurrencies in small amounts. I want to hold these coins for long term. Need a safe wallet where I will be able to store all my coins. As I have heard that servers where users' private keys are kept by wallets can be hacked, I want to hold my coins in a wallet which stores private keys locally or gives exclusive access of private key to the user (the one which doesn't store private key anywhere). I am not willing to spend money on hardware wallets. I am planning to store these coins on a desktop or a mobile wallet (or a wallet like metamask & myetherwallet). Planning to buy a new desktop or mobile which I will use only for the purpose of storing cryptos & will keep the device disconnected from internet until I want to sell my coins.

there is no need to spend money on phone or separate desktop just use myetherwallet for this purpose.. store the keystroke file ans private key in a pen drive plus print out the private key in the hard copy and keep it in your locker

Thanks for answering my question  :)

Just wanted to know that isn't it unsafe to access MEW using the computer which we use daily & is connected to internet round the clock? Kindly guide me.


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: Crypto.RichieRich on August 12, 2018, 02:33:14 PM
Ethos Universal Wallet and Trust are my favourites. Ethos allows you to store many cryptos such as Bitcoins, Waves, Ethereum, etc in addition to ERC20 tokens. Trust only support Ethereum-based tokens.

Hey! Thanks for replying  :)

Visited official websites of Ethos & Trust. Ethos' website mentions that they never hold assets & users remain in complete control at all times. It also mentions that they provide one of the best mobile-first, hot wallets. On one of the pages it says, "Take back control. The Ethos SmartKey and SmartWallet allow you to maintain complete control of your funds at all times. The days of trusting your funds, private keys and assets with a centralized entity are over". I am confused after reading all these. Can you please answer a few questions like:

1. Is it a hot wallet?

2. Where do they store private keys?

It supports few coins that I hold but I couldn't find the mention of ERC20 tokens in the "supported coins list" section.


           Trust's website mentions that they support all ERC20 & ERC223 tokens & the private key is stored locally. They are also joining Binance soon. Trust certainly seems to be trustworty ;D




Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: Crypto.RichieRich on August 12, 2018, 02:35:07 PM
I would recommend like posters before me. Get yourself a hardware wallet like Ledger and Trezor. But keep in mind you will have to transact using MyEtherWallet or similar for sending ERC20 tokens around. There are guides on how to connect your hardware wallet through MEW and open wallet (address). It is pretty simple once you get the hang of it.

Hey Noobaru! Thanks for replying  :)

I am not willing to spend on hardware wallets. Can you please suggest me alternatives?


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: oriontab on August 12, 2018, 02:37:28 PM
Which multi cryptocurrency wallet is safe for long term holding that either stores private keys locally or gives users exclusive access to their private keys?

I am currently holding around 80 different cryptocurrencies in small amounts. I want to hold these coins for long term. Need a safe wallet where I will be able to store all my coins. As I have heard that servers where users' private keys are kept by wallets can be hacked, I want to hold my coins in a wallet which stores private keys locally or gives exclusive access of private key to the user (the one which doesn't store private key anywhere). I am not willing to spend money on hardware wallets. I am planning to store these coins on a desktop or a mobile wallet (or a wallet like metamask & myetherwallet). Planning to buy a new desktop or mobile which I will use only for the purpose of storing cryptos & will keep the device disconnected from internet until I want to sell my coins.
You could give imtoken 2.0 a try, the new version, supports all erc 20, EOS and several others and you hold the private keys. You could try Monarch also, still conducting ICO but has an MVP


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: Crypto.RichieRich on August 12, 2018, 02:40:00 PM
i use exodus as my main wallet it supports multiple altcoin and i trust the team behind it i never heard a hack that occurs in exodus i think exodus + linux the most powerful combination good luck


Heyya! Thanks for replying  :)

Exodus' website states, "Exodus encrypts private keys and transaction data locally for your eyes only. Your data remains private". Also in the demo video, a co-founder mentions that Exodus holds your private keys and there are no hosts & servers thus this approach gives you total control. I guess this means that your private keys are stored locally & nowhere else (Servers & all)

I am not a techie person so just want to ask one question:

If Exodus stores private keys locally & suppose that my device gets lost, stolen or damaged then is it possible to access my account using some other device?

Kindly guide me on this.


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: Vitalicus on August 12, 2018, 02:46:46 PM
Which multi cryptocurrency wallet is safe for long term holding that either stores private keys locally or gives users exclusive access to their private keys?

I am currently holding around 80 different cryptocurrencies in small amounts. I want to hold these coins for long term. Need a safe wallet where I will be able to store all my coins. As I have heard that servers where users' private keys are kept by wallets can be hacked, I want to hold my coins in a wallet which stores private keys locally or gives exclusive access of private key to the user (the one which doesn't store private key anywhere). I am not willing to spend money on hardware wallets. I am planning to store these coins on a desktop or a mobile wallet (or a wallet like metamask & myetherwallet). Planning to buy a new desktop or mobile which I will use only for the purpose of storing cryptos & will keep the device disconnected from internet until I want to sell my coins.
There are many options for you but I still recommend using Ledger Nano S which will be more effective as it can be considered as the safest wallet in the world at this moment and no one can penetrate into it. Personally I only give this advice because this is the safest way for you and me and hope you should have a better look at Ledger purses because it is really very safe and you do not need to do too many procedures on the computer


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: Lucius on August 12, 2018, 02:57:55 PM

I am not a techie person so just want to ask one question:

If Exodus stores private keys locally & suppose that my device gets lost, stolen or damaged then is it possible to access my account using some other device?

Kindly guide me on this.


By what is stated at Exodus site it is possible to view private key for any address, so you can just copy/paste your private keys and store them in safe place. In case something happens to your device it is possible to import that keys on other device and restore your coins, read more here. (https://support.exodus.io/article/86-how-can-i-view-my-private-keys)

But much easiest way is to just write down 12 secret words (seed) which you get when create Exodus wallet, and then you have all you need in case you need it, read more here. (https://support.exodus.io/article/41-how-do-i-backup-my-exodus-wallet)

This should be good way of protecting your coins, but only in case you have clean device/there are many sophisticated attacks these days aimed to hack crypto coins on users PC. So you shoud be very careful when using your device, even if you using desktop wallet.

I know you have no intention to invest in hardware wallet, but for long term holding in my opinion it is best option. Private keys are always safe inside device, even if your device is compromised it will not affect security of your coins.


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: BQ on August 12, 2018, 04:11:31 PM
I wrote a guide about this subject, here is the thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3576100).
I believe Ledger supports a few more coins than Trezor. I personally use a Trezor.
How can you be holding 80 cryptos? do you mean most are tokens?
Since they are 80 it's probably 80% of them are ERC2 tokens.
There is always good choices out there to store the ERC20 tokens though, Trezor & ledger & ...are one of them.

Thanks for replying  :)

Yes some of them are ERC20. BTW I don't want to spend on hardware wallets. Can you suggest me alternative options?



well you should consider a hardware wallet, it's far safer in general. your private key is never exposed. it's a worthy investment.
otherwise, you'll simply have to deal with multiple wallets, afaik there's not really one that supports everything and is completely digital based/free, since it involves a lot of work.


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: Crypto.RichieRich on August 13, 2018, 03:31:53 PM
Which multi cryptocurrency wallet is safe for long term holding that either stores private keys locally or gives users exclusive access to their private keys?

I am currently holding around 80 different cryptocurrencies in small amounts. I want to hold these coins for long term. Need a safe wallet where I will be able to store all my coins. As I have heard that servers where users' private keys are kept by wallets can be hacked, I want to hold my coins in a wallet which stores private keys locally or gives exclusive access of private key to the user (the one which doesn't store private key anywhere). I am not willing to spend money on hardware wallets. I am planning to store these coins on a desktop or a mobile wallet (or a wallet like metamask & myetherwallet). Planning to buy a new desktop or mobile which I will use only for the purpose of storing cryptos & will keep the device disconnected from internet until I want to sell my coins.
You could give imtoken 2.0 a try, the new version, supports all erc 20, EOS and several others and you hold the private keys. You could try Monarch also, still conducting ICO but has an MVP

Thanks for replying  :)

Visited the official website of imtoken. The website isn't much informative. They haven't even mentioned the list of coins they support. No mention of storage of private keys. On Play store it has mixed reviews. Would prefer to stay away from it.


Monarch definitely seems to be promising. It supports BTC, ETH & all ERC20. Cold wallet is offered in MVP. The website mentions that the users will be able to own their private keys. Haven't mentioned though whether they store it on server, somewhere else or not. It has only 12 ratings on itunes. It still is in early phase.  Might give it a try.


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: Crypto.RichieRich on August 13, 2018, 03:33:44 PM
Which multi cryptocurrency wallet is safe for long term holding that either stores private keys locally or gives users exclusive access to their private keys?

I am currently holding around 80 different cryptocurrencies in small amounts. I want to hold these coins for long term. Need a safe wallet where I will be able to store all my coins. As I have heard that servers where users' private keys are kept by wallets can be hacked, I want to hold my coins in a wallet which stores private keys locally or gives exclusive access of private key to the user (the one which doesn't store private key anywhere). I am not willing to spend money on hardware wallets. I am planning to store these coins on a desktop or a mobile wallet (or a wallet like metamask & myetherwallet). Planning to buy a new desktop or mobile which I will use only for the purpose of storing cryptos & will keep the device disconnected from internet until I want to sell my coins.
There are many options for you but I still recommend using Ledger Nano S which will be more effective as it can be considered as the safest wallet in the world at this moment and no one can penetrate into it. Personally I only give this advice because this is the safest way for you and me and hope you should have a better look at Ledger purses because it is really very safe and you do not need to do too many procedures on the computer

Thanks for recommendation Vitalicus!  :)

To be honest, I am not willing to spend on hardware wallets. Can you suggest me some alternatives?


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: Crypto.RichieRich on August 13, 2018, 06:05:18 PM


Thanks for commenting Lucius!  :)

By what is stated at Exodus site it is possible to view private key for any address, so you can just copy/paste your private keys and store them in safe place. In case something happens to your device it is possible to import that keys on other device and restore your coins, read more here. (https://support.exodus.io/article/86-how-can-i-view-my-private-keys)

But much easiest way is to just write down 12 secret words (seed) which you get when create Exodus wallet, and then you have all you need in case you need it, read more here. (https://support.exodus.io/article/41-how-do-i-backup-my-exodus-wallet)

I read those guides & it seems to be very easy to access your funds from another device in case something goes wrong with the device you are using.

This should be good way of protecting your coins, but only in case you have clean device/there are many sophisticated attacks these days aimed to hack crypto coins on users PC. So you shoud be very careful when using your device, even if you using desktop wallet.

I am planning to buy a new PC (probably a netbook) or else as mentioned in the guide written by BQ (forum member), I can install linux on my current windows PC to do crypto stuff. If I buy a separate device for this then I will keep it disconnected from internet until I want to sell my holdings.


I know you have no intention to invest in hardware wallet, but for long term holding in my opinion it is best option. Private keys are always safe inside device, even if your device is compromised it will not affect security of your coins.

Yes I know that hardware wallets are the safest option available at present. Many other members as well have suggested me to get one. I will reconsider my decision of not buying a hardware wallet.


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: Crypto.RichieRich on August 13, 2018, 06:09:47 PM
I wrote a guide about this subject, here is the thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3576100).
I believe Ledger supports a few more coins than Trezor. I personally use a Trezor.
How can you be holding 80 cryptos? do you mean most are tokens?
Since they are 80 it's probably 80% of them are ERC2 tokens.
There is always good choices out there to store the ERC20 tokens though, Trezor & ledger & ...are one of them.

Thanks for replying  :)

Yes some of them are ERC20. BTW I don't want to spend on hardware wallets. Can you suggest me alternative options?



well you should consider a hardware wallet, it's far safer in general. your private key is never exposed. it's a worthy investment.
otherwise, you'll simply have to deal with multiple wallets, afaik there's not really one that supports everything and is completely digital based/free, since it involves a lot of work.

I will certainly reconsider buying a hardware wallet as a lot of forum members have suggested me to go that way.

Yes there isn't a single wallet which supports all the cryptos I hold.

Thanks once again. I really got to learn a lot from you.  :)


Title: Re: Which multi crypto wallet is safe for long term holding? Please read description
Post by: aebere40@gmail.com on August 13, 2018, 06:10:02 PM
I quite agree with you on coinoomi.. i have had any issue of security since I started using it and it's really easy to use..