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I think everybody agrees that there is a high probability that Mark Karpèles will leave Japan to hide somewhere from law enforcement, his creditors or worse, possibly with 700k BTC in his wallet. Everybody that lost money in MtGox and the community as a whole should try to prevent that from happening. I lost myself a decent amount of money in there and at least I want answers from him and his associates in a future trial. For that, Mark's location must be known to local authorities and his departure from Japan prevented.

What ways to contact Japanese authorities are there?
Pls provide email, tel. numbers to contact them immediately

Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department General Consultation Center by telephone (in English)

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What further steps must be taken in order to convince authorities to flag his passport, issue an arrest warrant, etc.?

Im not calling for a witch hunt here! Mark as well as anyone enjoys the right to remain innocent until proven guilty. But in order to determine that, we have to make sure that all prerequisits are taken to proof his innocence, in other words: to further a trial to get some answers.

he is already linked to federal investigations that are on going. He's not disappearing anywhere.

He is probably going back to France, a citzen usually can't be extradited to a foreign country.

em.. wrong (aurore martin for instance)

FREE Mark Karpèles!!

"She is the first French citizen extradited to another state, to be judged there" ( and the only one )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurore_Martin

Good luck with this.  The GOX lovers on this forum are still in denial and will probably still vouch for Karpeles.

Also, your post will be removed or relegated to the "service" section as a means to prevent further interest in this topic.

(mtgox.com)

That might indicate that MtGox will be back soon and wiithdrawals are enabled again.

You guys do realize that you can get some of your coins value back through bitcoin builder right?

https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com/

EDIT: NOT ANYMORE.

Just noticed that MtGox is gone forever.

I don't know why some people are looking to get their money back from gox when they are nearly declaring bankrupty yet people still think they are going to get their money back....... ???

I really hope people get their money back but it's not likely :/

Show me that declaration... The only one saying gox is bankrupt is some useless blog, and BTCe. I have photoshop and a calculator too.. I can make fake documents, and claim they are from a "reliable source"... Reliable source of shit.

All the events are nicely timed. The most likely scenario is that this is true.

Don't worry mtgox is monitoring the situation: that they lost customer funds. Lol

When it looks too good to be true...

That is exactly the point... "all events are nicely timed"...
(Constructed, Planned, Executed, and Delivered)
They didn't "just happen", this is a structured event.

Next exchange in the path is BTCe...

(Funny that they avoided the largest volume exchange Huobi. Coincidence, sure... China comes into the market, other markets collapse, makes china look like a great deal to invest in, China wins.)

And I have no doubts that Gox is being monitored even more than they are monitoring. (Not sure about their ability to monitor, after failing to monitor the malleability issue. But I have no doubt they will find what/who they are looking for.)

+1

Stop with the vigilante nonsense.  It's not like he's an anonymous guy, he won't be hard to track down if he runs (which I doubt).

It might also indicate that they are monitoring the situation and will react accordingly to any attempts at getting your coin back .

You kinda are calling for a witch hunt here. He hasn't even commited a crime yet, has he? Well, apart from running a shoddy business. Mark also doesn't seem like the type of guy to just go on the run either.

Roman Polanski is hiding there.

Like they have been monitoring it over the years.
Really? Stop spreading more fear. We don't need conspiracy theories too now.

if he's operating while insolvent and mixing customer fund with operating fund, does this constitute fraud?

if you stole millions, you cant hide forever.

Not if you are a bank, or the govt...

If you have a thing for visiting Mtgox in Japan this is who you should look for

Lost your life savings? Lost everything??? visit the Office in japan Mtgox. this is who you should look for Founder/Ceo of MtGox

yeah the guy responsible for mtgox and shutting down the website and permanently shutting down your account.  "Means" you can't get it back unless government steps in and requires Mtgox to Reopen the website to return the money to everyone which i highly doubt the government will do. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZddzSC7AuAw


he purchased round trip airfare back home in 7 days

Has anyone seen Mark for that matter?

That was fact... Not FUD... There was no conspiracy theory. That is what has been documented and seen over the past two months. Remove the FUD from the spam-posts, and focus on the actual events that happened, and it is a lot more clear.

Same shit, different day... Only with a larger audience and bigger losses/gains, for the participants/victims.

They did it to silver and gold, left those dead markets, and came here. These exchanges are easier to manipulate (while unregulated), than the unregulated silver and gold markets they were paper-trading on before. Proof is in the pudding. Last man standing is the one who held the torch on the bottom, that burned-down those on the top of the dry-grassy hills.

Yes, I truly believe that a "brand new exchange", grew spontaneously overnight, into the largest volume trader, honestly. Funny, they didn't have those BTC for long before. Yet, amazingly as our BTC volume decreases, they continue to grow. Trading freely while draining the other exchanges. Starting with the one on top, working their way down the list. Pure speculation... My bad... I just started trading 20 years ago... I am new to this. :P

If you have proof of this, as to leaked documents by the manipulators then I could believe this. What Gox did is 'theft', there is a provided solution of dealing with those who break the law.
This is actually the peoples fault for not listening, nothing more.

He will travel to Russia the same way that Edward Snowden go there.

The only issue going to Russia is that there are a lot of angry mafia bosses in that country that want his head.

You noticed that too?  I posted a topic asking what the criteria was for having that not happen.  You guessed it, no reply, and moved.

Anyone serious searching him at this moment?

We don't need discussion, we need some real action against him.

Let him sit in home drinking his frappuchino? NO.

who in their right mind would ever vouch for Mark Karpeles  ???

I bet in any country there are people that want his head. Including mine for sure..

Nice thread! You beat me on this one.

Show proof of theft...

Manipulators don't keep records and documents... (Myself included. Would you like a sworn statement from me? I will admit I manipulate markets. That is what everyone does, who trades. Manipulation is not illegal.)

http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/25/technology/security/mtgox-bitcoin/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Bitcoinica, inputs.io .. there is no need for any proof.

Where is the proof of theft? I don't see anything there listed as "Proof" or "Theft"... Just more FUD and half-assed CNN crap. (Repeating only what everyone already knows.)

I released a document like that too, here in the forums... similar in nature. So what... That isn't proof of anything, other than proof of my thoughts.

Yea, because Gox makes full outlines of exit plans... in PDF, and releases them as common memo's to everyone. lol... idiots.

Remind me not to put you in my selection of peers for a trial by jury!

Since we don't need proof... I say you stole our money... Throw you in jail. :P

You do realize how crazy that makes you sound, and how much that hurts any credibility of your statements.. right?

Nothing about the article involves Fear, Uncertainty, or Doubt.

There is no doubt nor uncertainty that all of the funds that that person was in charge of, after many smaller scandals, are all gone now.  The website is also down now.

What exactly is it that you are waiting for, him to say "Yeah it was me! I stole all your shit!"?

What constitutes proof for you?

And honestly, if you are legitimately mild to moderately mentally retarded, I will understand, but if not, why are you still defending this clown?

Lol.
There is a pattern here, in the bitcoin world. I had no access to that money, Mark did.

So in your opinion, the facts here are that ONE PERSON said ONE OTHER PERSON stole money?  Is that the only information you have seen or heard about the present situation?  Or are we comparing apples to space shuttles here?

NOT MY BABY BOY MARK! HE WOULDNT DO THAT TO ME! HE TOLD ME HE DIDNT STEAL ANYTHING! OR AT LEAST HASNT ADMITTED HE STOLE ANYTHING!

Karpeles is just being unfairly targetted and framed by the US Govt just like Charlie Schrem*.


*People actually believe this.

Most people are actually dumb.

Gox under investigation by Japanese and US-authorities
http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-subpoena-japan-us/

Is this sufficient to keep Mr. Karpèles in Japan?
Are we even sure he still is?

https://i.imgur.com/GqZr3N5.jpg

This picture of Tibanne, Mark's long time comrad and name sake of Tibanne Ltd., the holding company of MtGox, which was supposedly posted by Mark during a chat interview with one of Fox news journalists (that denied he was a journalist in the beginning of the interview  >:() gives some confidence that he is in fact still in Japan. The picture could have been taken any time though and only posted during said interview (which didnt contain much other information) to assure the public of his steady residence.
http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/179038-my-conversation-mark-karpeles-mtgox-2.html#post2164682

In addition to the above picture, his recent news update of 26th, Feb. 2014 on (mtg)gox.com states that he has no intention to run and remains in Japan.


This recent article by Reuters on the other hand, casts doubts over his actual presence in his designated home in Shibuya District, Tokyo

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/25/us-mtgox-website-idUSBREA1O07920140225

What is that on the right!?

Reminds me of the Yifu Guo incident. People were calling for his head on a platter before he turned around and refunded everybody.

more like Charlie Shrim (sounds like Shem)

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/dancersv1.gif

A half a billion dollars don't just go missing.  And the timing with the New York regulation hearings is simply too coincidental for my tastes.  He's either guilty, or has a gag order on him.  

I'll remind people of the 500,000 BTC heist from a couple years ago.  All Karpeles would have needed to do was leak a copy of the password database into the wild (just like this 'Crisis Paper' draft), and then sweep all those coins into his own wallet.  I remember that quite vividly.  And I remember the nebulous unbelievable explanation that came from GOX about it.  Basically, the initial users signed up before password salting had been added.  And they never changed their passwords after the salting was added.  Who better than Karpeles would know how to exploit this?  Motive, means, and opportunity.  

Please do just that.
From what I remember the 500,000 BTC account, which crashed btc down to 1 penny, was never fully addressed or explained by Mark.
If you think otherwise please provide link(s) to document.
Thanks.

I don think you have the right to that anyway

Funny how Mark Karpeles more or less did the exact same thing as snowden (break all rules, use then betray the trust of others to fulfill his own childish ego, getting cheeky and not being straight with others, dropping and running at the first sign of real trouble), and people here are calling for his head ;D

Maybe the hypocrisy of the crypto-revolutionaries (who either don't know what the fuck they need to do, or just plain hypocritical in chasing after profits more than crypto itself while getting self righteous and mouthy pretending to be the next crypto jesus) got to him. Plus the fact is, he has a spine of a jellyfish.

Either way, shouldn't you fools be cheering him for giving a black eye to a bunch of starry eyed, crypto fucks who mouth political slogans with one breath and happily dump on each other and small time players every chance they get? Now where did we see that before....

Not even bernie madoff was this quick and extreme in his ponzi scheme, yet most of those types of crypto-experts think they are the leading wave of history....until someone dumps on them for a change :)

Wait, what's that? You want to prosecute them in court, call the cops, and run cryin to a lawyer? I thought you were too smart to 'depend on The Man'.

I really hope you ain't stupid enough to get cheeky and say 'don't hate the player, play the game' ;D


LOL the irony is fuckin thick. You don't even realize how much more of a con you are yet it's always 'rah rah rah fite da powa'.


Reading these forums is in many ways a great way to show people what to laugh at. Really.

"Funny how Mark Karpeles more or less did the exact same thing as snowden (break all rules, use then betray the trust of others to fulfill his own childish ego, getting cheeky and not being straight with others, dropping and running at the first sign of real trouble), and people here are calling for his head Grin"

Congratulations. That is the stupidest thing I have ever read.

Yes, this is correct. He never explained what happened back then. MtGox has always been a trouble maker for bitcoin.

It's not just everyone who lost money, why do you think the US Government is after Mark and MtGox? If you remember back a month or so ago the US Government took a billion dollars out of healthcare and put it into Bitcoin. I suspect the US Government bought Bitcoin's on MtGox with some of that money and they too are trapped. Either that or the Federal Reserve bought coins at MtGox, some how the subpoena from NY has ties to either the Feds or the US Government otherwise they wouldn't have any interest in MtGox period.

So I doubt Mark will be able to leave Japan. The second problem I have is with the amount of Bitcoin's they alleged where stolen, 740k, that's a lot of coins and even if you account for when MtGox opened its doors to Bitcoin that would amount to 490~500 coins being stolen a day. Now there either they are lying about the number or someone has been cooking their books. Likely its been Mark who's been cooking the books while he embezzled the money lining his pockets with it.

Either way Bitcoin moves on, it's still moving, the other exchanges have been picking up the slack and once this whole thing blows over we'll start to see Bitcoin's price rise up again. Those of you have decided to run for cover and sell off your Bitcoin's will only kick yourself in the ass later. :)

 

Nice tunnel vision :)

Care to back it up with something other than 'rah rah rah fite da powa'?

Confuses me why so many people are willing to give Karpeles the benefit of the doubt considering his fraudulent past.  Occam's razor suggests he is the thief. 

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/03/03/exclusive-tibanne-co-ltd-sentenced-2013-mark-karpeless-lies-new/